Finally to MuffinDude, while I can appreciate that outsiders have not always dealt well with China, lets not forget that China in the past 60 years has done more damage to itself than its contact with outside powers the entire span of history.
Does that give them any more right to go screw around others? If thats the case, then we should fuck over iraq because that place is in a turmoil! And guess what? The reason why China did so much damage to itself in the past 60 years was also partly because european/americans screwed around with china!
On October 02 2009 18:17 haduken wrote: Mao didn't get nukes for China. Smart expats who studied overseas did that for him.
His single greatest achievement was stood up to the soviets when it mattered (after korean war).
Although I hate mao personally, I think his greatest achievement was getting rid of the corrupt nationalists.
On October 02 2009 17:48 Velr wrote: A Chinese claiming that other countries are not informed well enough about the history of other countries is very ironic. You are not even really informed, or at least your goverment tries to not inform, about some of the more recent history of your own country. So don't be so critical at people from other parts of the world not knowing everything about your history.
I wouldn't mind people not knowing about other country's history, as I don't know a lot of other country's history, but it annoys the hell out me when people think that they're all virtuous and shit because thats all they learned and a lot of sins were omitted from the curriculum.
I don't hate white people, but it just pisses me off at all the comments that they make about China when China became like this partly because of white people.
Why do you try to victimize yourself and China so much? Yeah, it's true that China was abused pretty hard by foreigners for awhile, but it's ridiculous to imply that the things that were Mao's fault had anything to do with the West. His decisions were totally his own, and in fact, if he had listened to people like Deng Xiaoping and Liu Shaoqi who were actually preaching economic ideology from the West, a lot of the damage could potentially have been avoided.
Whether you realize it or not, you suffer from the same skewed, biased perceptions that you're accusing other people of. You can't single out white people for hurting China and expect to be taken seriously at all, ESPECIALLY when you don't even mention Japan, and then accuse other people of not getting all the facts from their "curriculum." But that's irrelevant, because the point is that you're trying to play the victim and creating further conflict in a situation where there shouldn't even be conflict. You shouldn't be pointing fingers or singling out anyone. That just makes you look like a bitter, spoiled kid who was told something by someone (likely a bitter family member) and blindly believed it without ever looking at the facts objectively, which is basically just ignorance. Why put yourself into that position and make people think that way about you when you're probably a pretty smart guy?
First of all, white people are racist. You can't deny that fact. Americans make more hate comments on China than Japanese do nowadays. I'm the kind of person who forgets about the past, but I do care if people still talk shit about China today. And you should know that whenever China is mentioned, its usually the Chinese who gets their fingers pointed and called commie first. Maybe if you stop acting like a spoiled brat and think your race is better than everyone else's and other rather races are equivalent to shit then I won't have to point fingers at others.
I never agreed with the things Mao did, but so what if it could of happened even if foreigners didn't exploit the Chinese, does that give foreigners any more reason to exploit the Chinese? The Japanese already have given a formal apology for the rape of nanking. So wheres the formal apology for getting thousand of Chinese people addicted to drugs?
On October 03 2009 10:31 MuffinDude wrote: First of all, white people are racist. You can't deny that fact.
Yeah, and you're not a racist? Please. I think you greatly underestimate what the West has given China for China's own benefit. Good and bad flows both ways in the modern world.
On October 03 2009 10:31 MuffinDude wrote: First of all, white people are racist. You can't deny that fact.
Yeah, and you're not a racist? Please. I think you greatly underestimate what the West has given China for China's own benefit. Good and bad flows both ways in the modern world.
Correction: white people are the most racist race in the modern world.
I only bash on other races if they bash on mine, but if you think I'm racist, sure think that way.
People always bring up mao whenever china is discussed, get over it already. He's been dead for how long? Next time a Germany thread pops up I'll keep talk about the holocaust and hitler, and I'll also mention the rape of nanking whenever there is a Japanese discussion etc etc
Its quite clear you are a racist, given the absolutes with which you validate your arguments. Anyway, thanks for ignoring the actual point of my previous post, to which I assume you have no asnwer? Whenever else you have retorted it has been via some long winded mix-up of ideas, so given the lack of such absurdity in your last reesponse, I am assuming acceptance of my point?
Ill admit there are a lot of racist white people. Perhaps your experiences have been truly terrible and I am simply misunderstanding the gravity of the situations you have experienced. BUT - you are been racist. Not all white people are evil and bent on mistreating the chinese. You don't have any white friends at all? Not one of us equal value to you?
Finally to MuffinDude, while I can appreciate that outsiders have not always dealt well with China, lets not forget that China in the past 60 years has done more damage to itself than its contact with outside powers the entire span of history.
Does that give them any more right to go screw around others? If thats the case, then we should fuck over iraq because that place is in a turmoil! And guess what? The reason why China did so much damage to itself in the past 60 years was also partly because european/americans screwed around with china!
On October 02 2009 18:17 haduken wrote: Mao didn't get nukes for China. Smart expats who studied overseas did that for him.
His single greatest achievement was stood up to the soviets when it mattered (after korean war).
Although I hate mao personally, I think his greatest achievement was getting rid of the corrupt nationalists.
On October 02 2009 17:48 Velr wrote: A Chinese claiming that other countries are not informed well enough about the history of other countries is very ironic. You are not even really informed, or at least your goverment tries to not inform, about some of the more recent history of your own country. So don't be so critical at people from other parts of the world not knowing everything about your history.
I wouldn't mind people not knowing about other country's history, as I don't know a lot of other country's history, but it annoys the hell out me when people think that they're all virtuous and shit because thats all they learned and a lot of sins were omitted from the curriculum.
I don't hate white people, but it just pisses me off at all the comments that they make about China when China became like this partly because of white people.
Why do you try to victimize yourself and China so much? Yeah, it's true that China was abused pretty hard by foreigners for awhile, but it's ridiculous to imply that the things that were Mao's fault had anything to do with the West. His decisions were totally his own, and in fact, if he had listened to people like Deng Xiaoping and Liu Shaoqi who were actually preaching economic ideology from the West, a lot of the damage could potentially have been avoided.
Whether you realize it or not, you suffer from the same skewed, biased perceptions that you're accusing other people of. You can't single out white people for hurting China and expect to be taken seriously at all, ESPECIALLY when you don't even mention Japan, and then accuse other people of not getting all the facts from their "curriculum." But that's irrelevant, because the point is that you're trying to play the victim and creating further conflict in a situation where there shouldn't even be conflict. You shouldn't be pointing fingers or singling out anyone. That just makes you look like a bitter, spoiled kid who was told something by someone (likely a bitter family member) and blindly believed it without ever looking at the facts objectively, which is basically just ignorance. Why put yourself into that position and make people think that way about you when you're probably a pretty smart guy?
First of all, white people are racist. You can't deny that fact. Americans make more hate comments on China than Japanese do nowadays. I'm the kind of person who forgets about the past, but I do care if people still talk shit about China today. And you should know that whenever China is mentioned, its usually the Chinese who gets their fingers pointed and called commie first. Maybe if you stop acting like a spoiled brat and think your race is better than everyone else's and other rather races are equivalent to shit then I won't have to point fingers at others.
I never agreed with the things Mao did, but so what if it could of happened even if foreigners didn't exploit the Chinese, does that give foreigners any more reason to exploit the Chinese? The Japanese already have given a formal apology for the rape of nanking. So wheres the formal apology for getting thousand of Chinese people addicted to drugs?
Could you elaborate on this part? See I'm just a jive ass turkey and don't understand what you're babbling about because I didn't pay attention in high school.
On October 03 2009 11:12 jfazz wrote: Its quite clear you are a racist, given the absolutes with which you validate your arguments. Anyway, thanks for ignoring the actual point of my previous post, to which I assume you have no asnwer? Whenever else you have retorted it has been via some long winded mix-up of ideas, so given the lack of such absurdity in your last reesponse, I am assuming acceptance of my point?
Ill admit there are a lot of racist white people. Perhaps your experiences have been truly terrible and I am simply misunderstanding the gravity of the situations you have experienced. BUT - you are been racist. Not all white people are evil and bent on mistreating the chinese. You don't have any white friends at all? Not one of us equal value to you?
Lets clear up misunderstanding. I don't hate any race just because I think they're inferior. I have some white friends, (some because my school is only about 30% white. Yea.) and I don't hate them at all. I just hate the people who bash on China and how its a communist country, and a lot of them just so happens to be white. That is the reason why I tend to point my fingers towards white people whenever China gets bashed. Sorry if I sounded like i thought white people are evil, but they are the ones making all sorts of lies about china.
And your last post was asking me if I am a racist? I told you if you want to view me this way then sure you can.
Let me ask you a question, are you saying that I'm an idiot for not defending my country when you guys start off going "Oh, its the dumb commie country that kills millions of people a year!"
On October 03 2009 10:31 MuffinDude wrote: I never agreed with the things Mao did, but so what if it could of happened even if foreigners didn't exploit the Chinese, does that give foreigners any more reason to exploit the Chinese? The Japanese already have given a formal apology for the rape of nanking. So wheres the formal apology for getting thousand of Chinese people addicted to drugs?
Could you elaborate on this part? See I'm just a jive ass turkey and don't understand what you're babbling about because I didn't pay attention in high school.
Well then elaborating this won't help an unattentive person like you would it?
On October 02 2009 15:06 Valentine wrote: So today while waiting to get my ID card updated (my dad just retired from military), I had the pleasure of watching Fox News in the lobby. They were discussing how stupid it is for the empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
This commie shit is equivalent to your fourth of july shit made by bunch of whiners who didn't want to pay tax that was half as much as what the british were paying.
This was me joking and disagreeing with Fox, so try not to get so bitter about every little thing, lol. And their argument is that it's a foreign holiday, so why should we be celebrating. Comparing it to the 4th of July doesn't really seem like a good argument in this case.
On October 02 2009 15:06 Valentine wrote: So today while waiting to get my ID card updated (my dad just retired from military), I had the pleasure of watching Fox News in the lobby. They were discussing how stupid it is for the empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
This commie shit is equivalent to your fourth of july shit made by bunch of whiners who didn't want to pay tax that was half as much as what the british were paying.
This was me joking and disagreeing with Fox, so try not to get so bitter about every little thing, lol. And their argument is that it's a foreign holiday, so why should we be celebrating. Comparing it to the 4th of July doesn't really seem like a good argument in this case.
Well whoops. I didn't notice that you were making a joke. There are times when you shouldn't joke about some things. You should read the mood more.
On October 03 2009 11:25 haduken wrote: can we ban this idiot already.
Are you really fine with people just talking trash about your country all the time?
On October 03 2009 11:25 Valentine wrote: I think it would, since I'm not in high school and would like to learn, friendo. Preach to me.
Also:
On October 02 2009 15:19 MuffinDude wrote:
On October 02 2009 15:06 Valentine wrote: So today while waiting to get my ID card updated (my dad just retired from military), I had the pleasure of watching Fox News in the lobby. They were discussing how stupid it is for the empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
This commie shit is equivalent to your fourth of july shit made by bunch of whiners who didn't want to pay tax that was half as much as what the british were paying.
This was me joking and disagreeing with Fox, so try not to get so bitter about every little thing, lol. And their argument is that it's a foreign holiday, so why should we be celebrating. Comparing it to the 4th of July doesn't really seem like a good argument in this case.
Well whoops. I didn't notice that you were making a joke. There are times when you shouldn't joke about some things. You should read the mood more.
How the fuck did you really expect me to say
he empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
On October 03 2009 11:25 Valentine wrote: I think it would, since I'm not in high school and would like to learn, friendo. Preach to me.
Also:
On October 02 2009 15:19 MuffinDude wrote:
On October 02 2009 15:06 Valentine wrote: So today while waiting to get my ID card updated (my dad just retired from military), I had the pleasure of watching Fox News in the lobby. They were discussing how stupid it is for the empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
This commie shit is equivalent to your fourth of july shit made by bunch of whiners who didn't want to pay tax that was half as much as what the british were paying.
This was me joking and disagreeing with Fox, so try not to get so bitter about every little thing, lol. And their argument is that it's a foreign holiday, so why should we be celebrating. Comparing it to the 4th of July doesn't really seem like a good argument in this case.
Well whoops. I didn't notice that you were making a joke. There are times when you shouldn't joke about some things. You should read the mood more.
he empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
in complete seriousness?
Also, answer what I was asking please = [
Well, you don't have to call it a "commie shit." Because its the equivalence to the fourth of july for americans.
And answer to your question, I just don't like it that a lot of white people don't recognize what they did to chinese people or even if they recognize it, they still talk shit about china.
On October 03 2009 11:25 Valentine wrote: I think it would, since I'm not in high school and would like to learn, friendo. Preach to me.
Also:
On October 02 2009 15:19 MuffinDude wrote:
On October 02 2009 15:06 Valentine wrote: So today while waiting to get my ID card updated (my dad just retired from military), I had the pleasure of watching Fox News in the lobby. They were discussing how stupid it is for the empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
This commie shit is equivalent to your fourth of july shit made by bunch of whiners who didn't want to pay tax that was half as much as what the british were paying.
This was me joking and disagreeing with Fox, so try not to get so bitter about every little thing, lol. And their argument is that it's a foreign holiday, so why should we be celebrating. Comparing it to the 4th of July doesn't really seem like a good argument in this case.
Well whoops. I didn't notice that you were making a joke. There are times when you shouldn't joke about some things. You should read the mood more.
How the fuck did you really expect me to say
he empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
in complete seriousness?
Also, answer what I was asking please = [
Well, you don't have to call it a commie shit.
And I just don't like it that a lot of white people don't recognize what they did to chinese people.
I called it commie shit so maybe you would actually realize it was a joke, lol. And of course I don't recognize what my people did to yours, you made a claim and never explained it as I was asking, lol. If you're going to actually try to argue this as much as you are, why not explain a little bit about what you're trying to say ;3
you should know us white people are simple creatures unable to read minds
and what I meant by the question is for you to elaborate the bolded part of your other post, the one you denied to elaborate on because im unattentive. Sorry, it's not a question, I know.
On October 03 2009 11:25 Valentine wrote: I think it would, since I'm not in high school and would like to learn, friendo. Preach to me.
Also:
On October 02 2009 15:19 MuffinDude wrote:
On October 02 2009 15:06 Valentine wrote: So today while waiting to get my ID card updated (my dad just retired from military), I had the pleasure of watching Fox News in the lobby. They were discussing how stupid it is for the empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
This commie shit is equivalent to your fourth of july shit made by bunch of whiners who didn't want to pay tax that was half as much as what the british were paying.
This was me joking and disagreeing with Fox, so try not to get so bitter about every little thing, lol. And their argument is that it's a foreign holiday, so why should we be celebrating. Comparing it to the 4th of July doesn't really seem like a good argument in this case.
Well whoops. I didn't notice that you were making a joke. There are times when you shouldn't joke about some things. You should read the mood more.
How the fuck did you really expect me to say
he empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.
in complete seriousness?
Also, answer what I was asking please = [
Well, you don't have to call it a commie shit.
And I just don't like it that a lot of white people don't recognize what they did to chinese people.
I called it commie shit so maybe you would actually realize it was a joke, lol. And of course I don't recognize what my people did to yours, you made a claim and never explained it as I was asking, lol. If you're going to actually try to argue this as much as you are, why not explain a little bit about what you're trying to say ;3