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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 18:11:00
April 13 2010 18:08 GMT
#2721
On April 14 2010 03:03 Holgerius wrote:
That is, in comparison to how he usually plays, making him completely harmless. Running past the left back is all fine and dandy, but Chelsea obviously focused on making sure Messi (or anyone else for that matter) would never get possession of the ball inside the box. They were quite satisfied with that. When he went into the middle he did not accomplish much at all due to the solid defence. When even Xavi can't find a hole, you know you're doing something right. My italian heart glowed with love and appreciation when I watched that game. Turtling vs a team as good as Barca is not easy, it takes well thought out defensive tactics and skill that I never knew english teams were capable of it. ^__^


Yeah I was incredibly impressed by Chelsea against Barca too. Especially when you think how bad their season with Scolari started.

Oh and I take the part with the lucky shot back. Chelsea didn't advance because either the ref was BIASED or PAID to make sure Barca advance.

Barca never deserved to reach the final last season.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 18:19:48
April 13 2010 18:18 GMT
#2722
On April 14 2010 03:03 Holgerius wrote:
That is, in comparison to how he usually plays, making him completely harmless. Running past the left back is all fine and dandy, but Chelsea obviously focused on making sure Messi (or anyone else for that matter) would never get possession of the ball inside the box. They were quite satisfied with that. When he went into the middle he did not accomplish much at all due to the solid defence. When even Xavi can't find a hole, you know you're doing something right. My italian heart glowed with love and appreciation when I watched that game. Turtling vs a team as good as Barca is not easy, it takes well thought out defensive tactics and skill that I never knew english teams were capable of it. ^__^


lol well if i put 10 defenders in my defensive line, of course no one is going to find a hole.
it's a matter of quanity rather than quality defense
hell if tenerife did that Barca would had a hard time going past them. The only attack i saw from chelsea in that game and hopes of grabbing a goal was Cech sending the ball as far as he can and pray drogba run towards it. It's almost comical that not even with that he could score a goal
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 18:53:47
April 13 2010 18:44 GMT
#2723
On April 14 2010 03:08 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 03:03 Holgerius wrote:
That is, in comparison to how he usually plays, making him completely harmless. Running past the left back is all fine and dandy, but Chelsea obviously focused on making sure Messi (or anyone else for that matter) would never get possession of the ball inside the box. They were quite satisfied with that. When he went into the middle he did not accomplish much at all due to the solid defence. When even Xavi can't find a hole, you know you're doing something right. My italian heart glowed with love and appreciation when I watched that game. Turtling vs a team as good as Barca is not easy, it takes well thought out defensive tactics and skill that I never knew english teams were capable of it. ^__^


Yeah I was incredibly impressed by Chelsea against Barca too. Especially when you think how bad their season with Scolari started.

Oh and I take the part with the lucky shot back. Chelsea didn't advance because either the ref was BIASED or PAID to make sure Barca advance.

Barca never deserved to reach the final last season.


if you see the matchup against chelsea seperated from the whole season then yes, they were obviously not the better team
on the other hand it was only 0:0 and 1:1 - quite tight
if you take the whole season into account barca was for sure the best team and they fully deserved to win the CL
most title winners get lucky at one point or another in an knockout tourney

edit: and one lucky shot cost chelsea the final
the question remains, what's the better scoring opportunity
this

or this
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 13 2010 18:54 GMT
#2724
On April 14 2010 03:18 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 03:03 Holgerius wrote:
That is, in comparison to how he usually plays, making him completely harmless. Running past the left back is all fine and dandy, but Chelsea obviously focused on making sure Messi (or anyone else for that matter) would never get possession of the ball inside the box. They were quite satisfied with that. When he went into the middle he did not accomplish much at all due to the solid defence. When even Xavi can't find a hole, you know you're doing something right. My italian heart glowed with love and appreciation when I watched that game. Turtling vs a team as good as Barca is not easy, it takes well thought out defensive tactics and skill that I never knew english teams were capable of it. ^__^


lol well if i put 10 defenders in my defensive line, of course no one is going to find a hole.
it's a matter of quanity rather than quality defense
hell if tenerife did that Barca would had a hard time going past them. The only attack i saw from chelsea in that game and hopes of grabbing a goal was Cech sending the ball as far as he can and pray drogba run towards it. It's almost comical that not even with that he could score a goal

Nope, not any team can do that. If you think you could coach a team into keeping a clean sheet vs Barca then you are extremely mistaken. There are teams who try to park the bus in front of the goal all the time, and it fails almost always. I think Barca has scored every game this season except vs Valencia and Inter, and last season there were only two or three games (Chelsea game #1 included), or something like that, in which they didn't score. It takes a very tight, well-knitted and well-orchestrated defence with enormous chemistry and dicipline to prevent it during 90 minutes. And a bit of luck. ^__^ Defence is an art. It is not as eye-catching as the opposite art, but it is very demanding. Chelsea did great, no doubt. Hopefully Mourinho has some tactics up his sleeve so that Inter can pull off a similar performance. Messi+Xavi might be too good this season though.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 13 2010 18:59 GMT
#2725
On April 14 2010 03:44 Sadir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 03:08 SuperArc wrote:
On April 14 2010 03:03 Holgerius wrote:
That is, in comparison to how he usually plays, making him completely harmless. Running past the left back is all fine and dandy, but Chelsea obviously focused on making sure Messi (or anyone else for that matter) would never get possession of the ball inside the box. They were quite satisfied with that. When he went into the middle he did not accomplish much at all due to the solid defence. When even Xavi can't find a hole, you know you're doing something right. My italian heart glowed with love and appreciation when I watched that game. Turtling vs a team as good as Barca is not easy, it takes well thought out defensive tactics and skill that I never knew english teams were capable of it. ^__^


Yeah I was incredibly impressed by Chelsea against Barca too. Especially when you think how bad their season with Scolari started.

Oh and I take the part with the lucky shot back. Chelsea didn't advance because either the ref was BIASED or PAID to make sure Barca advance.

Barca never deserved to reach the final last season.


if you see the matchup against chelsea seperated from the whole season then yes, they were obviously not the better team
on the other hand it was only 0:0 and 1:1 - quite tight
if you take the whole season into account barca was for sure the best team and they fully deserved to win the CL
most title winners get lucky at one point or another in an knockout tourney

edit: and one lucky shot cost chelsea the final
the question remains, what's the better scoring opportunity
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFZfeJwOZLY
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRlfBMY1ANI


No, one HORRIBLE referee cost Chelsea the final.

Chelsea should have gotten AT LEAST two penalties in that game.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
April 13 2010 19:50 GMT
#2726
On April 14 2010 03:54 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 03:18 ilj.psa wrote:
On April 14 2010 03:03 Holgerius wrote:
That is, in comparison to how he usually plays, making him completely harmless. Running past the left back is all fine and dandy, but Chelsea obviously focused on making sure Messi (or anyone else for that matter) would never get possession of the ball inside the box. They were quite satisfied with that. When he went into the middle he did not accomplish much at all due to the solid defence. When even Xavi can't find a hole, you know you're doing something right. My italian heart glowed with love and appreciation when I watched that game. Turtling vs a team as good as Barca is not easy, it takes well thought out defensive tactics and skill that I never knew english teams were capable of it. ^__^


lol well if i put 10 defenders in my defensive line, of course no one is going to find a hole.
it's a matter of quanity rather than quality defense
hell if tenerife did that Barca would had a hard time going past them. The only attack i saw from chelsea in that game and hopes of grabbing a goal was Cech sending the ball as far as he can and pray drogba run towards it. It's almost comical that not even with that he could score a goal

Nope, not any team can do that. If you think you could coach a team into keeping a clean sheet vs Barca then you are extremely mistaken. There are teams who try to park the bus in front of the goal all the time, and it fails almost always. I think Barca has scored every game this season except vs Valencia and Inter, and last season there were only two or three games (Chelsea game #1 included), or something like that, in which they didn't score. It takes a very tight, well-knitted and well-orchestrated defence with enormous chemistry and dicipline to prevent it during 90 minutes. And a bit of luck. ^__^ Defence is an art. It is not as eye-catching as the opposite art, but it is very demanding. Chelsea did great, no doubt. Hopefully Mourinho has some tactics up his sleeve so that Inter can pull off a similar performance. Messi+Xavi might be too good this season though.

defending is an art yes, but parking the bus is not. is just a cheap way to aim for a draw.
i stil believe any team can give barcelona trouble if they park the bus unless they play with completely terrible defenders, although sure have to they give up their posession and attack threats.

I remember almeria with a modest squad doing this and basically barca couldn't find a hole in all the game. there were personal markings going on too but finally a space was created and xavi could grab the victory with a goal.
Plus who would want a team like that advancing lol but thats another topic
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 20:11:18
April 13 2010 20:10 GMT
#2727
If you're a Chelsea fan you would've loved to see them advance no matter how boring they might play. Turtling is incredibly frustrating, infuriating and annoying to watch when you are rooting for the team that is desperately trying to score or if you're a neutral spectator watching for pure entertainment. But it's a legitimate strategy and it does take great skill and organisation to perform correctly.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
k!llua
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia895 Posts
April 13 2010 20:25 GMT
#2728
Anyone see Terry's second handball just now?

How on earth did the assistant think that was the chest! What a daft twit.
my hair is a wookie, your argument is invalid
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
April 13 2010 21:08 GMT
#2729
On April 14 2010 05:25 k!llua wrote:
Anyone see Terry's second handball just now?

How on earth did the assistant think that was the chest! What a daft twit.


hahaha, the linesmen are just handing the title to chelski eh?
snarl
Profile Joined July 2004
Canada812 Posts
April 13 2010 21:52 GMT
#2730
if you try to beat barca at their own game u end up getting mauled like arsenal did. only reason barca went through vs chelsea was through some horrible/corrupt refereeing.

Plus who would want a team like that advancing lol but thats another topic


why bother playing with defenders then if attack is all that matters?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28854 Posts
April 14 2010 00:20 GMT
#2731
barcelona was the best team last season
chelsea was the best team in the games between barcelona and chelsea last season. thinking that chelsea just turtled with 10 players and that this is something any decent team could pull off is ridiculous, a lot of teams are very content with drawing 0-0 vs barcelona and there's a reason why that result almost never occurs. chelsea kept them from scoring for 180 minutes AND had a greater amount of good opportunities (at least if you count "shouldve been PK" as one. )

but barcelona winning cl was definitely deserved because they were probably overall the best team in the world.
they're more ahead of the other teams this season than last though.
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economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
April 14 2010 02:18 GMT
#2732
As Mourinho said and I think he is the one who understands Chelsea the most, the strength of Chelsea is that they can play extremely consistently the football that they plan before the match. Its not easy at all to do that under pressure especially when you play vs Barca.

I am really looking forward to Inter-Barca...
Economics forecast assumes everything, except responsibilities
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 14 2010 04:22 GMT
#2733
On April 14 2010 09:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:
barcelona was the best team last season
chelsea was the best team in the games between barcelona and chelsea last season. thinking that chelsea just turtled with 10 players and that this is something any decent team could pull off is ridiculous, a lot of teams are very content with drawing 0-0 vs barcelona and there's a reason why that result almost never occurs. chelsea kept them from scoring for 180 minutes AND had a greater amount of good opportunities (at least if you count "shouldve been PK" as one. )

but barcelona winning cl was definitely deserved because they were probably overall the best team in the world.
they're more ahead of the other teams this season than last though.

Man, I agree with every word you say there. How weird is that? ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
AngryLlama
Profile Joined September 2005
United States1227 Posts
April 14 2010 05:17 GMT
#2734
It would have been such a shame if chelsea advanced last season with their boring ass tactical defense turltling football.

inter probably going to try the same thing. laaaaaame...when a team tries to play like that, they're basically admitting 'we suck compared to barca and we have to do this to win'
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 14 2010 05:29 GMT
#2735
On April 14 2010 14:17 AngryLlama wrote:
It would have been such a shame if chelsea advanced last season with their boring ass tactical defense turltling football.

inter probably going to try the same thing. laaaaaame...when a team tries to play like that, they're basically admitting 'we suck compared to barca and we have to do this to win'

What the fuck do you expect them to do? Football is a multi-billion dollar industry and the players are well paid professionals whose jobs are to win. Chelsea realized they wouldn't win by outplaying Barca with the type of football Barca wants to play (a very open and offensive game), so they naturally chose the strategy that would give them the best possible chance of advancing.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
April 14 2010 05:32 GMT
#2736
On April 14 2010 14:17 AngryLlama wrote:
It would have been such a shame if chelsea advanced last season with their boring ass tactical defense turltling football.

inter probably going to try the same thing. laaaaaame...when a team tries to play like that, they're basically admitting 'we suck compared to barca and we have to do this to win'


Look at Arsenal, those kids wanted to prove otherwise and then got crushed
Economics forecast assumes everything, except responsibilities
MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
April 14 2010 06:46 GMT
#2737
On April 14 2010 14:32 economist_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2010 14:17 AngryLlama wrote:
It would have been such a shame if chelsea advanced last season with their boring ass tactical defense turltling football.

inter probably going to try the same thing. laaaaaame...when a team tries to play like that, they're basically admitting 'we suck compared to barca and we have to do this to win'


Look at Arsenal, those kids wanted to prove otherwise and then got crushed

Agreed.

What annoys me about Arsenal is that they complain when they are fouled but they themselves do the same.

Even in that first leg of the Barca/Arsenal game they did some pretty terrible fouls.

That's what you have a coach/manager for to set the team up in a way to not lose 4-1, what team is going to try and out play Barcelona? Barcelona is such a cut above the rest it's ridiculous imo, their whole football way of growing homegrown players is soo amazing.
Making history not reliving it.
GunSec
Profile Joined February 2010
1095 Posts
April 14 2010 08:15 GMT
#2738
I think barca is too overrated, they are like the KT team with flash(leo messi)
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 14 2010 08:46 GMT
#2739
Xavi, Iniesta, Ibra, etc. Ya, overrated for sure.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
April 14 2010 08:46 GMT
#2740
Barca at the moment is Flash in the world of football.

They just don't lose.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
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