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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On July 16 2009 19:44 Ace wrote:
Actually they kinda do - without LO the Lakers have no shot at winning the chip. It's just this stupid luxury tax going down has set off a chain reaction of monstrous deals you would never see otherwise.
Also doesn't the NBA have some kind of TV revenue sharing deal where all the teams get paid even if they don't have big market exposure?
But for five years? The guy's rounding the corner at 30 and is WILDLY inconsistent. 9 mil a year for an inconsistent role player who's getting older for 5 years is a big investment.
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On July 16 2009 20:12 b_unnies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2009 19:18 testpat wrote:On July 16 2009 16:27 b_unnies wrote:
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Why would the Lakers franchise argue with an important player for a few millions difference?
Along with Shannon Brown/Ron Artest/Bynum's contract kicking in this year, Lakers are already at 98/99M payroll. Buss's entire profit depends on the Lakers franchise, if Lakers go under, so does Buss. He's not like the other billionaires out there where their sports team are a means of secondary income. In short, an additional million to the payroll means two million less in his own pockets (Luxury tax).
Not that it changes any of your comments, but the Laker's financial situation is a little more dynamic that this. NBA teams do not share gate or local tv revenue, which is why teams like new york risk runnning such huge deficits. I believe the lakers contract includes advertising sharing (higher ratings, more cash). So even an extra few wins a year, bringing in more viewers, can dramatically increase profits. Buss has routinely gone way over the salary cap if he thought he needed it to win. But right now it just reads like the lakers feel they have so much talent, they can save some cash and some long term flexibility. Not many teams would consider offer 9m a year to a non-starter. I'd like to see a happy ending here for both sides but .., from Odom's viewpoint the only reason he's not a starter is the Laker's depth, and he should be getting starter cash. From the lakers they can see the future, and they don't need Odom locked for 5 years. It's true that NBA teams invest in their players to make a profit, and I agree with you that Lakers should just pay that extra millions just to keep the team to get a championship. Some Laker fans argue that because without Lamar, Lakers are already setting a franchise high on their payroll. Lakers are paying an additional 6M more than last year without LO and not counting luxury tax. So although Buss has consistently pay luxury tax, this is many millions more than he has ever paid. I added up the 00 team's salary, and that team's payroll didn't exceed 60M. Although LO comes off the bench, he still averages 30MPG, which is basically starter minutes, so technically that should be considered a starter. If they let Lamar walk, the only thing they can offer is the Vet's Min which is worth 1.3M. As stated in one of my quotes, Kupchak knows there isn't a LO replacement. Vet Min options are basically players like Leon Powe, Chris Wilcox, Drew Gooden, Matt Barnes, Joe Smith. Basically Lakers will be weaker than they were compared to last year. While potentially other championship teams are stronger. (I say potentially since not even summer camp has started)
B_unnies, your reasoning is flawed because the only thing that matters at this point is that LO isn't going to get this kind of money from anyone else, it's just not gonna happen at this point. Portland is already boned just trying to get Brandon Roy signed. I don't know if LO wants back to Miami (he's going to be old before that team's group of youngsters step up and contend again). All the other teams are cash-strapped or playing for 2010. All of the stuff you posted before mattered, 1 or 2 weeks ago, but not now. If LO goes somewhere else he's going to take a significant pay cut and probably won't contend.
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On July 16 2009 23:06 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2009 19:44 Ace wrote:
Actually they kinda do - without LO the Lakers have no shot at winning the chip. It's just this stupid luxury tax going down has set off a chain reaction of monstrous deals you would never see otherwise.
Also doesn't the NBA have some kind of TV revenue sharing deal where all the teams get paid even if they don't have big market exposure? But for five years? The guy's rounding the corner at 30 and is WILDLY inconsistent. 9 mil a year for an inconsistent role player who's getting older for 5 years is a big investment.
Why not? Lamar Odom is totally worth it. After Kobe and Gasol he's the best player on the team by far. Without him there IS no Lakers championship and that's counting Artest too.
@Judicator: Portland having trouble resigning Brandon Roy??? That just seems...so impossible. Where did you read this?
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odom should take a one year deal and end up in 2010
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He'd be the second best player on most nba teams, including the pre-gasol lakers. He's definitely worth more than 10 million a year, the problem is that he probably won't stay that way. All that talk about the celtics being old, Ray Allen and Garnett are 33, Paul Pierce is 31, and Rasheed is 34.
Guys that play late into their careers are savvy bigs who develop jump shots, great shooters, and less often physical freaks of nature. He shot .623 from the free throw line, so he's got none of those going for him.
The lakers players said lamar was the funniest guy in the locker room, but with perennial effort questions he's not going to give you added value as a veteran to stabilize the locker room and lead the team. He'd be an awful fit for Portland compared to, say a Alonzo Mourning or a 38 year old PJ Brown.
On lamar's side, he's never been the franchise player, so he's not going to make his money off endorsements. This is likely to be the last big contribution he'll have to his families' nest egg. And the espn article said Texas and Florida don't have state income taxes. To think that retiring as a laker is his #1 priority is silly.
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On July 17 2009 02:39 igotmyown wrote:
Guys that play late into their careers are savvy bigs who develop jump shots, great shooters, and less often physical freaks of nature. He shot .623 from the free throw line, so he's got none of those going for him.
Bruce Bowen can be a counter-example: not terribly athletic, nor a fantastic shooter. Hard worker and certainly "savvy" though :-)
I agree with you though in Odom's case: I don't see him being very effective past the next 2 seasons.
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On July 17 2009 01:23 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2009 23:06 Roffles wrote:On July 16 2009 19:44 Ace wrote:
Actually they kinda do - without LO the Lakers have no shot at winning the chip. It's just this stupid luxury tax going down has set off a chain reaction of monstrous deals you would never see otherwise.
Also doesn't the NBA have some kind of TV revenue sharing deal where all the teams get paid even if they don't have big market exposure? But for five years? The guy's rounding the corner at 30 and is WILDLY inconsistent. 9 mil a year for an inconsistent role player who's getting older for 5 years is a big investment. Why not? Lamar Odom is totally worth it. After Kobe and Gasol he's the best player on the team by far. Without him there IS no Lakers championship and that's counting Artest too. @Judicator: Portland having trouble resigning Brandon Roy??? That just seems...so impossible. Where did you read this?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-winnerslosers071109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
And Odom has been known to mail in games, its worst than watching Sheed, Sheed has a reason (as dumb as they might be), Odom just seems to randomly drop in performance. Dumb as hell.
To be fair though, I can see him being effective in the LAL offense (for longer than a few years) simply because he can handle the ball and work the offense as effectively as a PG, why do you think Walton got decent playing time?
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On July 16 2009 18:06 CTStalker wrote:
fuck yeah, this is gonna be the best raps season since the carter years
That's a bit premature, I don't know if they even make the playoffs.
1-3. Cleveland, Orlando, Boston
4-6. Atlanta, Detroit, Miami
7-8. Chicago, Washington (Their new roster looks good IMO)
I think 4-8 is all pretty uncertain though. Philadelphia might be a 5 seed or something. Toronto might get again, but so might the Pacers. Toronto's 3rd best player is Calderon (I guess), and after that there is a big drop off. Hedo might not be as good in Toronto either. Who knows :O
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Look all you can say about the East is that it'll be close, it might be ugly, but it'll be close.
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United States4471 Posts
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I'll just be happy if the pistons manage to get a winning record.
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Detroit is a bit of an unknown. What will happen to Rip?
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United States4471 Posts
I think everything out of the top 3 in the East is up for grabs. None of the teams below them have done anything to convince me that they're significantly better than the rest. I will admit that I'm really curious to see what WAS is able to do with a full lineup (hopefully it stays that way all season...) because they do have some solid talent there.
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On July 17 2009 01:18 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2009 20:12 b_unnies wrote:On July 16 2009 19:18 testpat wrote:On July 16 2009 16:27 b_unnies wrote:
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Why would the Lakers franchise argue with an important player for a few millions difference?
Along with Shannon Brown/Ron Artest/Bynum's contract kicking in this year, Lakers are already at 98/99M payroll. Buss's entire profit depends on the Lakers franchise, if Lakers go under, so does Buss. He's not like the other billionaires out there where their sports team are a means of secondary income. In short, an additional million to the payroll means two million less in his own pockets (Luxury tax).
Not that it changes any of your comments, but the Laker's financial situation is a little more dynamic that this. NBA teams do not share gate or local tv revenue, which is why teams like new york risk runnning such huge deficits. I believe the lakers contract includes advertising sharing (higher ratings, more cash). So even an extra few wins a year, bringing in more viewers, can dramatically increase profits. Buss has routinely gone way over the salary cap if he thought he needed it to win. But right now it just reads like the lakers feel they have so much talent, they can save some cash and some long term flexibility. Not many teams would consider offer 9m a year to a non-starter. I'd like to see a happy ending here for both sides but .., from Odom's viewpoint the only reason he's not a starter is the Laker's depth, and he should be getting starter cash. From the lakers they can see the future, and they don't need Odom locked for 5 years. It's true that NBA teams invest in their players to make a profit, and I agree with you that Lakers should just pay that extra millions just to keep the team to get a championship. Some Laker fans argue that because without Lamar, Lakers are already setting a franchise high on their payroll. Lakers are paying an additional 6M more than last year without LO and not counting luxury tax. So although Buss has consistently pay luxury tax, this is many millions more than he has ever paid. I added up the 00 team's salary, and that team's payroll didn't exceed 60M. Although LO comes off the bench, he still averages 30MPG, which is basically starter minutes, so technically that should be considered a starter. If they let Lamar walk, the only thing they can offer is the Vet's Min which is worth 1.3M. As stated in one of my quotes, Kupchak knows there isn't a LO replacement. Vet Min options are basically players like Leon Powe, Chris Wilcox, Drew Gooden, Matt Barnes, Joe Smith. Basically Lakers will be weaker than they were compared to last year. While potentially other championship teams are stronger. (I say potentially since not even summer camp has started) B_unnies, your reasoning is flawed because the only thing that matters at this point is that LO isn't going to get this kind of money from anyone else, it's just not gonna happen at this point. Portland is already boned just trying to get Brandon Roy signed. I don't know if LO wants back to Miami (he's going to be old before that team's group of youngsters step up and contend again). All the other teams are cash-strapped or playing for 2010. All of the stuff you posted before mattered, 1 or 2 weeks ago, but not now. If LO goes somewhere else he's going to take a significant pay cut and probably won't contend.
Wells as stated in my post, Buss withdrew the offer because Lamar's agent wasn't responding to the Laker's offer for 3yr/30M. Lamar's agent was ignoring the Lakers and instead talking to Miami Heat/Mavs.
Guess it probably doesn't matter at this point since it's rumored that where LO is going will happen today
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HonestTea
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Usually don't like to post rumors, but, yahoo reports that Miami are after Boozer and Odom
Now that's interesting.
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On July 17 2009 12:52 HonestTea wrote:
Usually don't like to post rumors, but, yahoo reports that Miami are after Boozer and Odom
Now that's interesting.
hope wade get's help in the form of boozer...LO is ok but he doesn't have that consistent scoring punch that boozer brings to the table. so i think if they could get boozer it would be a huge boost for dwyane
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On July 17 2009 05:09 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2009 18:06 CTStalker wrote:
fuck yeah, this is gonna be the best raps season since the carter years That's a bit premature, I don't know if they even make the playoffs. 1-3. Cleveland, Orlando, Boston 4-6. Atlanta, Detroit, Miami 7-8. Chicago, Washington (Their new roster looks good IMO) I think 4-8 is all pretty uncertain though. Philadelphia might be a 5 seed or something. Toronto might get again, but so might the Pacers. Toronto's 3rd best player is Calderon (I guess), and after that there is a big drop off. Hedo might not be as good in Toronto either. Who knows :O
I don't see Orlando finishing that high. They lost alot of their key players. If Nelson gets hurt again, they're going to be in a world of hurt. Hedo and Lee are gone as well as other players, :/
Boston has I think this year to win another one and then they're going to be in a rebuilding process
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United States22883 Posts
That's just his bill from the restaurants.
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United States22883 Posts
Jefferson left this woman at the altar.
Yes, he's gay (not that it matters.)
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