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kulik-
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Czech Republic305 Posts
April 06 2009 09:20 GMT
#21
btw this Korea event its not gonna be affected because is sponsored by Korean sponsor, who has nothing to to with ESWC final
Terrible OP. Improve your posting or next one is a perma-ban.
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
April 06 2009 09:52 GMT
#22
On April 06 2009 07:18 s.a.y wrote:
eswc > wcg anytime.
more professional, more coverage, more everything.

100% agreed.
i'd take eswc over wcg ANY time of the day
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
April 06 2009 10:36 GMT
#23
On April 06 2009 10:31 Ingenol wrote:
The problem is outside of Korea eSports are not yet sports: they do not sell tickets/merchandise/fill studios/etc.. The games themselves do, but not "eSports," so to speak. For years I would go to tournaments like the CPL and wondering why companies were sinking so much money into them to reach such a relatively small audience, and in a fashion where even those they did reach were not even the ideal consumer (someone who will buy the latest games/hardware frequently) but the e-atheletes themselves, who tended to focus on one game and really probably spend less on hardware and gaming titles than most. It seems it has taken a dire economy, however, for sponsor companies to realize that at this point in time what we call foreigner eSports is simply not the best place to spend an ever shrinking advertising budget.

I'm sad to see ESWC go, though. It was a very well-run event that generated a lot of insane matches, particularly in CS 1.6.


I really dont agree here, sponsors do get alot of new customers from sponsoring esports. I mean look at Razer, i bet alot of people have bought a mouse, mousepad and a keyboard due to them sponsoring alot of esports events. I think Razer is one of the most known hardware companies in esports. Also the hardcore gamer group is defenatly the most likely to by a good gaming mouse or a high quality mousepad since they need it the most to perform. The hardcore gamers are defenatly the group of gamers that spend the most money on games (i bet most of the TL'ers have atleast ten games at home even though we mostly play BW).
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
April 06 2009 10:43 GMT
#24
On April 06 2009 06:50 Dknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
As much as i hate to say it, this NEEDS to happen. Nothing against the eswc guys - i think they've done a fantastic job all these year...theres just too many fish in the pond.


What the? If anything ESWC was considered to be one of the best events and the looked forward to event of the year. Great organization, great production, etc. You can't be serious. What other events are there? All thats left now is WCG and Kode5.

well in principle it is good that 'lesser' events are dying off, the problem is they arent dying off by the right critera. wcg is just sticking around cuz its the biggest and most established and so can weather the economic problems, instead of having the lowest quality events eliminated.

and if it gets to the point where wcg really is the only thing left there will be no pressure on them to improve cuz the gaming community would have to cling to them no matter how bad they are. shitty.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
April 06 2009 11:10 GMT
#25
On April 06 2009 14:56 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 07:31 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Hm, well that sucks :c
It seems like if SC1 arrived at the perfect time in terms of the economy, SC2 couldn't have picked a worse time..

Although I guess you could look at it as there being a lot of room to build something new.

wasnt korea just pulling out of a recession as sc1 hit?

Yeah, I realized that which was why I added the second part. At first I wasn't thinking so much about the current overall economic situation, but rather that so many teams/events have shut down lately.. Which of course is connected
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Atlan
Profile Joined September 2007
Taiwan36 Posts
April 06 2009 11:22 GMT
#26
very sad news, eswc was the best esports event with only starcraft lacking
"It's called hold position bro!"
luiohh
Profile Joined February 2008
Bangladesh78 Posts
April 06 2009 11:59 GMT
#27
i don't know about starcraft but ESWC did a great job of organising quake tournaments.. oh well
StarKiller
Profile Joined December 2008
France51 Posts
April 06 2009 12:35 GMT
#28
Some Korean Brand please buy ESWC and show us how it is done ?
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
April 06 2009 13:50 GMT
#29
Games in general sell well during recessions. Not just SC, all decent games. SC2 is safe I think.

The problem is sponsor companies are a lot tighter on cash + expectations of international growth in competitive e-gaming were never quite met. I think part of the reason is that competiton with other sorts of entertainment (such as sports, movies, concerts, etc.) is a lot more acute in other parts of the world. I would love to see SC tournaments on TV in the US or Europe, but I just don't see it happening aytime soon.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
April 06 2009 15:26 GMT
#30
On April 06 2009 19:43 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 06:50 Dknight wrote:
On April 06 2009 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
As much as i hate to say it, this NEEDS to happen. Nothing against the eswc guys - i think they've done a fantastic job all these year...theres just too many fish in the pond.


What the? If anything ESWC was considered to be one of the best events and the looked forward to event of the year. Great organization, great production, etc. You can't be serious. What other events are there? All thats left now is WCG and Kode5.

well in principle it is good that 'lesser' events are dying off, the problem is they arent dying off by the right critera. wcg is just sticking around cuz its the biggest and most established and so can weather the economic problems, instead of having the lowest quality events eliminated.

and if it gets to the point where wcg really is the only thing left there will be no pressure on them to improve cuz the gaming community would have to cling to them no matter how bad they are. shitty.


Darwin
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
kulik-
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Czech Republic305 Posts
April 06 2009 18:30 GMT
#31
On April 07 2009 00:26 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 19:43 IdrA wrote:
On April 06 2009 06:50 Dknight wrote:
On April 06 2009 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
As much as i hate to say it, this NEEDS to happen. Nothing against the eswc guys - i think they've done a fantastic job all these year...theres just too many fish in the pond.


What the? If anything ESWC was considered to be one of the best events and the looked forward to event of the year. Great organization, great production, etc. You can't be serious. What other events are there? All thats left now is WCG and Kode5.

well in principle it is good that 'lesser' events are dying off, the problem is they arent dying off by the right critera. wcg is just sticking around cuz its the biggest and most established and so can weather the economic problems, instead of having the lowest quality events eliminated.

and if it gets to the point where wcg really is the only thing left there will be no pressure on them to improve cuz the gaming community would have to cling to them no matter how bad they are. shitty.


Darwin

yeah and its sad that US goverment and many other ignore this
Terrible OP. Improve your posting or next one is a perma-ban.
Beside_kr
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada902 Posts
April 07 2009 00:49 GMT
#32
I believe both Microsoft's and Samsung's Contracts with WCG cover the 2009 event but not the 2010 one so if things don't go well this year, it's likely it will be the last year for it as well. As for ESWC, everyone knew they've been having major sponsorship issues for a number of years. Still, very sad to see them go, I really hope that something can happen for next year, either another company buying the company or Matthieu starting another project
Cuffs, cuffs, you can't break those cuffs
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
April 07 2009 01:39 GMT
#33
On April 07 2009 00:26 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 19:43 IdrA wrote:
On April 06 2009 06:50 Dknight wrote:
On April 06 2009 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
As much as i hate to say it, this NEEDS to happen. Nothing against the eswc guys - i think they've done a fantastic job all these year...theres just too many fish in the pond.


What the? If anything ESWC was considered to be one of the best events and the looked forward to event of the year. Great organization, great production, etc. You can't be serious. What other events are there? All thats left now is WCG and Kode5.

well in principle it is good that 'lesser' events are dying off, the problem is they arent dying off by the right critera. wcg is just sticking around cuz its the biggest and most established and so can weather the economic problems, instead of having the lowest quality events eliminated.

and if it gets to the point where wcg really is the only thing left there will be no pressure on them to improve cuz the gaming community would have to cling to them no matter how bad they are. shitty.


Darwin

the whole point of my post was that thats not whats happening because quality hasnt been the determining factor in who fails.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
April 07 2009 01:44 GMT
#34
Well gaming isn't very popular and money is from sponsorships not advertising. which is a huge setback since very few people watch pro gaming (compared to sports)

because of this the community can only support so many things... others must die out
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
April 07 2009 01:53 GMT
#35
Trackmania depended a lot from eswc, and they were all great except in lans where sometimes you'd go throught some VERY newb trackmania admins which kinda pissed me off.
(You had to do lans in order to gets points to qualify in the finals, first french eswc finals then world finals). Sadly there won't be any trackmania world final anymore (french qualification is still open though).
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Athena PMS
Profile Joined March 2009
United States44 Posts
April 10 2009 07:14 GMT
#36
It's never a good thing when a league shuts down, less leagues over all means less money out there for players. Less tournaments held and less competition for leagues so they don't have to pony up to attract the players. Meaning, why have a bigger payout for a tournament if you don't have to worry about others.

And let's not even discuss that if more leagues start failing, how no competition ends up being a monopoly and what that would mean... ><
Manbear
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada306 Posts
April 10 2009 07:18 GMT
#37
the only thing im wondering is are we going to get any more tasteless and artosis vods? those were badass
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
April 10 2009 07:48 GMT
#38
On April 07 2009 10:39 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2009 00:26 Zoler wrote:
On April 06 2009 19:43 IdrA wrote:
On April 06 2009 06:50 Dknight wrote:
On April 06 2009 04:58 Kennigit wrote:
As much as i hate to say it, this NEEDS to happen. Nothing against the eswc guys - i think they've done a fantastic job all these year...theres just too many fish in the pond.


What the? If anything ESWC was considered to be one of the best events and the looked forward to event of the year. Great organization, great production, etc. You can't be serious. What other events are there? All thats left now is WCG and Kode5.

well in principle it is good that 'lesser' events are dying off, the problem is they arent dying off by the right critera. wcg is just sticking around cuz its the biggest and most established and so can weather the economic problems, instead of having the lowest quality events eliminated.

and if it gets to the point where wcg really is the only thing left there will be no pressure on them to improve cuz the gaming community would have to cling to them no matter how bad they are. shitty.


Darwin

the whole point of my post was that thats not whats happening because quality hasnt been the determining factor in who fails.


I know that. I wrote "Darwin" because I meant that that is how it should be!
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
April 10 2009 17:24 GMT
#39
http://readmore.eu/index.php?cont=news&id=4968
Offers to buy the ESWC brand are on their way.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
April 13 2009 01:33 GMT
#40
On April 06 2009 10:32 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 07:31 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Hm, well that sucks :c
It seems like if SC1 arrived at the perfect time in terms of the economy, SC2 couldn't have picked a worse time..

Although I guess you could look at it as there being a lot of room to build something new.

Wasn't the argument for why BW succeeded in Korea that it was released right in the middle of an economic downturn, and it was cheap entertainment for people without jobs, with lots of free time?

If you go by this line of thinking then SC2 couldn't be arriving at a better time, assuming the economy doesn't do a dramatic 180 in the next six months.


Which it won't, either way.
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