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this is LOL. Everyone saying "a stupid name change doesn't matter": CCP disagrees with you. They've done what they should have done all along. If BoB/Kenny wanted to call themselves BoBR they should have done so with the legitimate in-game mechanics from the start, same as everyone else has to.
Apparently there was one precedent of an alliance losing their name, and an opponent taking the name for a corp. CCP renamed the blocking corp, and the alliance was allowed to regain their name .. by paying 1 billion isk and starting over with sov. Had CCP done this it would have been fine. It would have followed precedent. By waiting 2 months and pushing through the name change without the usual attendant negative ramifications they were showing a clear favoritism. They realized this, and have reversed it.
Kenny is now free to rename themselves to BoBR the legitimate way. Not like they have much sov to lose anymore. Well, except that Goonswarm seems to have created a BoBR corp now lol. CCP could follow precedent and rename this corp, but Kenny would then have to change their name to that the in-game way, with the fee and sov reset.
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On March 25 2009 22:35 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2009 16:58 abcb wrote:On March 25 2009 09:26 motbob wrote:
LOL you're boycotting them over this? Well, I'm going to be over here having fun playing EVE with other TL members, see you around I guess... You might have fun now, but when it comes time for developer/GM to give favors the people you are fighting with and you lose all the stuff you grind endless hours for, it's no fun. I mean why play poker if the dealer is just going to intentionally deal better hands to someone else. Oh no, they changed my opponent's name, I'd better quit.
It's a slippery slope. If they are willing make exception to their own rules for BoB and not others, what else is going on between them? Are the developers secretly giving them in game money to rebuild? Are they given them blueprint for better item/ships? Are they going to change the gameplay to favor them on the next patch?? How far down the rabbit hole does it go? Atleast to me, the developer/GM has lost their credibility. I can't trust them to make a neutral objective ruling in the game.
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On March 26 2009 09:21 abcb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2009 22:35 motbob wrote:On March 25 2009 16:58 abcb wrote:On March 25 2009 09:26 motbob wrote:
LOL you're boycotting them over this? Well, I'm going to be over here having fun playing EVE with other TL members, see you around I guess... You might have fun now, but when it comes time for developer/GM to give favors the people you are fighting with and you lose all the stuff you grind endless hours for, it's no fun. I mean why play poker if the dealer is just going to intentionally deal better hands to someone else. Oh no, they changed my opponent's name, I'd better quit. It's a slippery slope.
Yep, and as I'm sure you know, the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy.
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On March 25 2009 23:43 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2009 22:56 wswordsmen wrote:On March 25 2009 22:35 motbob wrote:On March 25 2009 16:58 abcb wrote:On March 25 2009 09:26 motbob wrote:
LOL you're boycotting them over this? Well, I'm going to be over here having fun playing EVE with other TL members, see you around I guess... You might have fun now, but when it comes time for developer/GM to give favors the people you are fighting with and you lose all the stuff you grind endless hours for, it's no fun. I mean why play poker if the dealer is just going to intentionally deal better hands to someone else. Oh no, they changed my opponent's name, I'd better quit. No they changed your opponents name, against president, to a name over the character limit, when they never ever changed the name of an alliance before (Human Being said no one could recall when they changed a name due to petition) this is blatant favoritism, even if it is minor now, CCP has shown they will cross the line to support BOB illegally, which means they are likely to due more next time. By the way you are clearly bias defending BOB on this, AAA pets are speaking out against it (once again quote from Human Being (quote of a quote actually)). a.) precedent, not "president" b.) there is no 24-character limit, I can give you examples of alliances with longer names c.) do, not "due" If our TL corp got war-decced and CCP changed the opposing corp's name in the middle of our war, I wouldn't give a shit, even if I knew it was favoritism. Now, if they started giving them isk and ships, I'd be more than a little pissed off. CCP wouldn't do that, though... the last person to pull something like that got discovered and fired. BoB isn't really going to care about what their name is when they're in Empire space.
How do u know they are not already secretly giving Bob ships and Isk? How do you know CCP wouldn't do that? They already discovered one guy, what makes you so sure there isn't going to be a second guy?
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On March 26 2009 09:26 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2009 09:21 abcb wrote:On March 25 2009 22:35 motbob wrote:On March 25 2009 16:58 abcb wrote:On March 25 2009 09:26 motbob wrote:
LOL you're boycotting them over this? Well, I'm going to be over here having fun playing EVE with other TL members, see you around I guess... You might have fun now, but when it comes time for developer/GM to give favors the people you are fighting with and you lose all the stuff you grind endless hours for, it's no fun. I mean why play poker if the dealer is just going to intentionally deal better hands to someone else. Oh no, they changed my opponent's name, I'd better quit. It's a slippery slope. Yep, and as I'm sure you know, the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy.
Slippery slope was a bad choice of word. Slippery slope would be if they do rename, they def give isk/ship secretly, etc. I don't trust CCP because of the rename action. I am not sure what else is going on between CCP and BoB. There could be nothing or there could be whole shit load of things going on.
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On March 25 2009 22:35 motbob wrote:
Oh no, they changed my opponent's name, I'd better quit.
No, they made an exception to a rule that they haven't made for anyone else. For an alliance that devs have cheated for before. It leaves a sour taste. It was wrong, which was why CCP reverted it.
the last person to pull something like that got discovered and fired.
Incorrect. The player who blew the whistle got permabanned, but the employee who was involved is still employed.
Anyway I'm starting to feel a little sorry for Kenny. They aren't to blame for the name change fiasco. CCP should have just said "no" or "sorry, do it the in game way" instead of waiting two months before making a boneheaded decision and then rescinding it. Kenny is the one who gets jerked around, thinking they got their name back (with a crappy appellation), then no they don't have it back after all. Plus having no space anymore. But that's sort of karma for picking on a no space holding empire dwelling alliance (goons, years ago).
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I don't really care about what CCP gives to BoB, because BoB has no bearing on me or my corp. But the last time developers colluded with alliances, it was found out. I think the risk of being found out again is keeping them from doing it again.
EDIT: Goons lost around 20 dreads in system 49- fighting today. This is probably their biggest loss of the war.
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On March 26 2009 09:43 MamiyaOtaru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2009 22:35 motbob wrote:
Oh no, they changed my opponent's name, I'd better quit. No, they made an exception to a rule that they haven't made for anyone else. For an alliance that devs have cheated for before. It leaves a sour taste. It was wrong, which was why CCP reverted it.
No, they changed the name, and that's all. Period. You can make a big deal out of a name change, or you can accept it as benign. It's your choice.
EDITONEMILLION:
I should add that the recent director forums leak showed no collusion between BoB and CCP.
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i read the first paragraph.
its like reading about the pro teams XD
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On March 26 2009 09:36 abcb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2009 09:26 motbob wrote:On March 26 2009 09:21 abcb wrote:On March 25 2009 22:35 motbob wrote:On March 25 2009 16:58 abcb wrote:On March 25 2009 09:26 motbob wrote:
LOL you're boycotting them over this? Well, I'm going to be over here having fun playing EVE with other TL members, see you around I guess... You might have fun now, but when it comes time for developer/GM to give favors the people you are fighting with and you lose all the stuff you grind endless hours for, it's no fun. I mean why play poker if the dealer is just going to intentionally deal better hands to someone else. Oh no, they changed my opponent's name, I'd better quit. It's a slippery slope. Yep, and as I'm sure you know, the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. Slippery slope was a bad choice of word. Slippery slope would be if they do rename, they def give isk/ship secretly, etc. I don't trust CCP because of the rename action. I am not sure what else is going on between CCP and BoB. There could be nothing or there could be whole shit load of things going on.
People at CCP who do that get fired buddy, perhaps you've heard of the story?
The name change doesn't actually outwardly effect gameplay and no dev that has any sort of intelligence is going to give BoB someone that can actually change the outcome of a battle.
Why? because both sides of smart pilots that will deduce that the instant it happens.
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bleh... It's was never about the name. No one cares what BoB calls themselves.
BoB should follow the same rules as every other alliance.
AFAIK, Kenzoku isn't an inappropriate word/phrase.
Want a name change? Pay 1 billion isk and lose sovereignty like everyone else.
End of Discussion.
What do people not comprehend?
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On March 26 2009 09:45 motbob wrote:
I don't really care about what CCP gives to BoB, because BoB has no bearing on me or my corp. But the last time developers colluded with alliances, it was found out. I think the risk of being found out again is keeping them from doing it again.
You should care what CCP gives to BoB even if Bob has no bearing on your gameplay. It's the same reason why we want non-corrupt police officers and Judges even though we are not being arrested or on trial. But you are the one paying to play, if you don't care about it, it's all good.
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On March 26 2009 09:45 motbob wrote:
No, they changed the name, and that's all. Period. You can make a big deal out of a name change, or you can accept it as benign. It's your choice.
The way they changed the name went against the established rules for changing an alliance name. That's all, period. If you still think it's cool ask yourself why CCP changed their mind.
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People at CCP who do that get fired buddy, perhaps you've heard of the story?
No they don't. T20 is still there. FFS I don't even play the game and I know this.
The name change doesn't actually outwardly effect gameplay
What name change?
and no dev that has any sort of intelligence is going to give BoB someone that can actually change the outcome of a battle.
Didn't stop them last time. And that's why people don't like seeing even a minor favor. It reminds them of larger ones that happened in the past, and of the lingering possibility there could be larger ones now that people don't know about.
FFS all you carebears who don't grasp the concept of playing within the game mechanics and living with the consequences should chill in empire, or WoW or something. And what's with all the BoB love anyway? Post with your mains? 
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lol calm down.
There are no bobbits here, that I know of. Most of the players are relatively new.
Anyway, I thought I heard T20 got laid off. It wasn't right after he was caught cheating, but still, I don't think he's with the company anymore.
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On March 25 2009 23:43 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2009 22:56 wswordsmen wrote:On March 25 2009 22:35 motbob wrote:On March 25 2009 16:58 abcb wrote:On March 25 2009 09:26 motbob wrote:
LOL you're boycotting them over this? Well, I'm going to be over here having fun playing EVE with other TL members, see you around I guess... You might have fun now, but when it comes time for developer/GM to give favors the people you are fighting with and you lose all the stuff you grind endless hours for, it's no fun. I mean why play poker if the dealer is just going to intentionally deal better hands to someone else. Oh no, they changed my opponent's name, I'd better quit. No they changed your opponents name, against president, to a name over the character limit, when they never ever changed the name of an alliance before (Human Being said no one could recall when they changed a name due to petition) this is blatant favoritism, even if it is minor now, CCP has shown they will cross the line to support BOB illegally, which means they are likely to due more next time. By the way you are clearly bias defending BOB on this, AAA pets are speaking out against it (once again quote from Human Being (quote of a quote actually)). a.) precedent, not "president" b.) there is no 24-character limit, I can give you examples of alliances with longer names c.) do, not "due" If our TL corp got war-decced and CCP changed the opposing corp's name in the middle of our war, I wouldn't give a shit, even if I knew it was favoritism. Now, if they started giving them isk and ships, I'd be more than a little pissed off. CCP wouldn't do that, though... the last person to pull something like that got discovered and fired. BoB isn't really going to care about what their name is when they're in Empire space.
Just because you're unusually apathetic about unfairness, doesn't mean that's reasonable treatment as an equal customer of the game service.
This isn't the first sign of favoritism by the CCP, but it's certainly the most blatant.
Since the release of Eve Online, there have been instances of developer misconduct, leading to debates and controversy within the Eve community. On February 9, 2007, a player known as Kugutsumen revealed that an Eve Online developer nicknamed 't20' had provided his alliance, Band of Brothers, with ten valuable blueprints, giving them an advantage over competing alliances.[74] Some within the Eve Online community asked for t20's dismissal. While an apology letter was left for the community in the form of a dev blog, he remains an Eve Online developer. Kugutsumen was permanently banned from the Eve universe for violating the game's Terms of Service and End-user License Agreement.[74]
In response to public concerns, CCP decided to set up an Internal Affairs division headed by Ari Eldon, better known in-game as Arkanon, whose responsibility is to monitor the activities of both privileged and player accounts operated by CCP staff in-game. The impartiality of the division has been at times questioned.[75][76]
Wow, the developers banned a guy from EVE for exposing them. Deal breaker, sorry CCP. More details: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/847-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep
It can be said with some fairness that the posts you made have caused quite the uproar and created an atmosphere that makes all our lives that much more harder. CCP does not condone cheating, for sure, but dealing with matters such as this one is not made any easier with all the ruckus.
The guilty developer admitting that he cheated and helped BoB: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424
This company can go fuck hisself!
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I wonder if T20 was in trouble and forced to make that blog or the face the axe? That is if T20 still works at CCP.
Also Headbangaa just give it a try and join the TL Corp badmouth CCP all you want plenty of people do it to Blizzard but enjoy their game(s). Besides the TL Corp is isn't rich, large, or even Allied with others to even make a difference. We hang around High security areas and scour the noobie asteroid belts.
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ffs guys, the goons are taking this name change thing a lot less seriously than you are.
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On March 26 2009 20:34 motbob wrote:
ffs guys, the goons are taking this name change thing a lot less seriously than you are.
To be fair...what do the Goons take seriously? lol
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