EPTElky already won 2mil + another 400k in two huge tournaments wins. but i guess his record of being the most succesful sc-gosu-turned-poker-star has been broken.
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Former Top SC player wins 5 mil in poker
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TheFlashyOne
Canada450 Posts
Elky already won 2mil + another 400k in two huge tournaments wins. but i guess his record of being the most succesful sc-gosu-turned-poker-star has been broken. Link | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
On November 11 2008 20:54 TheFlashyOne wrote: old school gosu, (Orky)Soul ...teammate of Asmodey and also very good in War3 just won 5 mil in Vegas by placing 2nd at the World Series of Poker. Thats crazy. Elky already won 2mil + another 400k in two huge tournaments wins. but i guess his record of being the most succesful sc-gosu-turned-poker-star has been broken. Link Are you talking about the record of most winnings in one tournament? 'Cause I think Elky has made more than 5 million from poker so far. (I could be very wrong though  , besides doesn't Rekrul hold that title?) | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On November 11 2008 21:19 jello_biafra wrote: Holy shit, I need to start playing poker!  too much risk imo, but congrats | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
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Hollow
Canada2180 Posts
uh... starting online with $10-$20 at small stakes and going up the ladder progressively is too much risk to you? well it's good that people think of it as a risky game, as long as they stay away from the goldmine it's fine by me | ||
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Tadzio
3340 Posts
On November 11 2008 22:13 Hollow wrote: uh... starting online with $10-$20 at small stakes and going up the ladder progressively is too much risk to you? well it's good that people think of it as a risky game, as long as they stay away from the goldmine it's fine by me what're you talking about? Poker thrives on new fish thinking they can win with beginner's luck... | ||
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L!MP
Australia2067 Posts
On November 11 2008 22:13 Hollow wrote: uh... starting online with $10-$20 at small stakes and going up the ladder progressively is too much risk to you? well it's good that people think of it as a risky game, as long as they stay away from the goldmine it's fine by me it's only a goldmine for certain people, and even those people have their down times when they go way into the minus. i think rekrul said it best that to truly stay in the game you need buddies who can bail you out and lend you cash because poker is full of ups and downs. | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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Hollow
Canada2180 Posts
On November 11 2008 22:59 L!MP wrote: it's only a goldmine for certain people, and even those people have their down times when they go way into the minus. i think rekrul said it best that to truly stay in the game you need buddies who can bail you out and lend you cash because poker is full of ups and downs. anyone with a fucking brain and some discipline can win at poker. having friends who are good at it helps too. it's so ridiculously overrated how "hard" poker is. the only hard thing about it is the lifestyle, not the game in itself. there will always be retarded people playing poker, you don't need to be phil ivey to profit from fish. still, my point was that it isn't risky if you manage your money well. sure it's "risky" on the short-term but nobody gives a shit about that other than the fish. it's not because rekrul is a degenerate that everyone is the same, try to remember that. some people actually manage their money well and don't spend all that much, unlike rekrul did, and don't have all that many ups and downs like you say, other than the times where they are going through downswings which are simply a part of the game. poker isn't like you've seen it in rounders and the rekrul stories, not since the internet boom. for most pros, poker is a simple and repetitive grind. i know that makes it sound like it's easy but that's actually quite the opposite, it's not easy because it's not very enjoyable. it's very rewarding though. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
Does it sound logical to start at D on iccup and work your way to the OSL? If you're the type of person who thinks they can take up poker and place in wsop np you should never, ever take up poker. | ||
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Hollow
Canada2180 Posts
On November 11 2008 23:16 floor exercise wrote: yeah poker pretty much thrives on people seeing a person win big and say to themselves "why not me?" Does it sound logical to start at D on iccup and work your way to the OSL? If you're the type of person who thinks they can take up poker and place in wsop np you should never, ever take up poker. possibly the most retarded comparison I have read in a while. Anyone can enter the WSOP if they have the money, no matter the skill level. WSOP = crapshoot full of amateurs and pseudo-pros that in fact suck at the game. While making it to the OSL = implies that you have worked really, really hard and have a very high skill level. It doesn't matter if it thrives on it, it still is true. Retards can win the WSOP, it's been proven enough times already. Comparing this with the skill that it takes to win at Starcraft professionally is just incredibly ignorant and foolish. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On November 11 2008 23:20 Hollow wrote: possibly the most retarded comparison I have read in a while. Anyone can enter the WSOP if they have the money, no matter the skill level. WSOP = crapshoot full of amateurs and pseudo-pros that in fact suck at the game. While making it to the OSL = implies that you have worked really, really hard and have a very high skill level. It doesn't matter if it thrives on it, it still is true. Retards can win the WSOP, it's been proven enough times already. Comparing this with the skill that it takes to win at Starcraft professionally is just incredibly ignorant and foolish. lol | ||
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Hollow
Canada2180 Posts
you're not aware of it but it doesn't make you look very clever | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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Hollow
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TheosEx
United States894 Posts
Besides, playing casinos, tournaments, and in your best friend's basement are all very different games. And heck, even playing online is different. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
You changed your entire argument to throwing down 10k and rolling the dice at WSOP which is equally retarded. If WSOP is such a crap shoot, statistically it's a complete waste of money and anyone with half a brain and a basic grasp of statistics can tell you that. If it requires skill, you don't have it and you're no different from any other retard who says "yeah I can do that, I just don't feel like it" You're either trolling or you believe your mom when she tells you you're capable of anything if you put your mind to it. lol | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
For those who care, Hollow is the only one who knows what he's talking about in this thread. | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 11 2008 21:28 ShAsTa wrote: Are you talking about the record of most winnings in one tournament? 'Cause I think Elky has made more than 5 million from poker so far. (I could be very wrong though , besides doesn't Rekrul hold that title?)Elky definitely won more overall, but as far as live play is concerned he's not quiet there. http://www.pokerpages.com/players/profiles/59776/bertrand-grospellier.htm And Rekrul isnt that good of a tourney player. http://www.pokerpages.com/players/profiles/96236/daniel-schreiber.htm Not too many online scores either. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 12 2008 01:05 ManaBlue wrote: You guys need to stop being so hilariously uninformed and actually go try to play some poker if that's really the way you feel. For those who care, Hollow is the only one who knows what he's talking about in this thread. have you seen that datamine site? | ||
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
China685 Posts
New Year's resolution: Learn poker, win money. | ||
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Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
pretty awesome for soul to get 2nd though | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
That's what most people don't understand. And poker is not all about the tournaments, it's mostly about cash games. If you put in 1/20th of your bankroll you're not taking a big risk on a cash table. If you are better than your opponents then in the long run you're going to win. Sure you can lose 5 pots in a row but you'll still have enough money to go on. You now have 3/4th of that starting bankroll left but if you move down a limit to rebuild you suddenly have 1,5 as much in terms of table stakes. Playing cash game poker is very comparable to a starcraft ladder when you just use your starting capital (for most starting players it's a free 50$ promotion). You start out and try to learn the game by informing yourself via forums etc. and try to get some people to help you. There are tons of poker forums out there willing to help out when someone posts a difficult hand or whatever. Everyone starts at the lowest limit (D for iccup comparison) which is throwing cents around with a 2$ buyin so you have a safety net when you run into some short term bad luck. Once you have made your initial 50$ into a 200$ by working really hard on your game constantly and asking people for help on the various forums, you can try moving up to the 10$ tables. If you lose back to 150$ you can go back to 5$ buyin tables. Getting better at poker goes with experience and educating yourself and evaluating your play by using various software such as Hold'em Manager or Pokertracker. Once you get higher and higher in the limits you will start to play better players, making you a better player as well. There's a gigantic learning curve in this game, just like with Starcraft. The only way you are going to get good at playing poker is by playing a shitload of it, just like with Starcraft. With Starcraft you improve by playing a lot and you gain points on a ladder and get higher rank when you reach a new level. You start playing more seasoned players here as well on the higher ranks (i.e. higher limits in poker). The key here is that your bankroll should be at least 30 times (this amount is very variable and it's based on the player obviously. Some people need a bigger safety net than others) the amount that you have on the tables no matter which stake you play. If you're going through a rough time, you drop down stakes so your safety net is still guaranteed. And yes floor excersize, you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not even going to start arguing with someone who doesn't understand _ANYTHING_ about poker and how it works (I'm not talking about the game rules here). If you haven't played online poker the way it's supposed to be played, i.e. starting at the bottom and educating yourself a whole lot, then you shouldn't be arguing about it. Buying your way into a WSOP tournament is only eligible to either: a: rich people who just like to play the game and take a shot at it, for these people it's more like a lottery. b: people who have made a living out of poker by using a massive bankroll built up by playing poker in the way I just explained above (the ladder example). | ||
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United States43358 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
On November 12 2008 01:32 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: Hollow, teach me how to play poker plz. New Year's resolution: Learn poker, win money. I'm with you on this one  | ||
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Gretchen
Germany128 Posts
http://www.pokerpages.com/players/lists/worlds-top-players.htm List says, Demidov is at $6,498,176 total earnings, Elky at $4,191,769. | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9376 Posts
On November 12 2008 02:57 floor exercise wrote: I'm not gonna read your essay but I'm not the one who said playing poker is a risk. Although from the stance of opportunity cost I think it is a waste of time for the majority of people in the same way video games are. All I said is you're not going to become a successful poker player just because you want to be one, and that the same logic can be applied to Starcraft If you don't read his post, then you'll be missing a great post about what poker is, and how good players make the most of their bankroll. YOU, not reading his post, means that everything you post from now on, is going to be useless, since you were too stubborn to read an "essay". Give me a break. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On November 12 2008 02:57 floor exercise wrote: I'm not gonna read your essay but I'm not the one who said playing poker is a risk. Although from the stance of opportunity cost I think it is a waste of time for the majority of people in the same way video games are. All I said is you're not going to become a successful poker player just because you want to be one, and that the same logic can be applied to Starcraft You are involved in an argument, and have stated your opinion several times already. I would imagine that if no one read your posts, you would be upset, as your opinion was just blown off. Yet here you are, stating that you wont even take the 2mins it takes to read a post by a well informed poker player, who knows what he is talking about, and who also happens to be a moderator on this site. That is just down right disrespectful, and maybe you should just stop posting if you dont plan on reading any counter arguments. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
Saying I wasn't gonna read it was an asshole thing I admit but what I would like is to no longer be involved in a poker argument because I think I was misunderstood to begin with. All I was saying in the first place is that being good at poker isn't something that can be achieved over night and to see someone win a big cash tournament and think you will easily do the same is a terrible attitude considering the reality of online poker is that it's a soulless grind | ||
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x89titan
Philippines1130 Posts
On November 12 2008 01:19 Racenilatr wrote: what kind of poker does everyone play? i like to play hold em and badugi, but i prefer hold em. but im starting to learn all kinds of poker. have you ever played pusoi dos (spelling?) ? | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On November 11 2008 22:13 Hollow wrote: uh... starting online with $10-$20 at small stakes and going up the ladder progressively is too much risk to you? well it's good that people think of it as a risky game, as long as they stay away from the goldmine it's fine by me oh its risky alright. brb depositing | ||
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Puosu
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On November 12 2008 03:10 Gretchen wrote: All the bitching and flaming about poker aside: http://www.pokerpages.com/players/lists/worlds-top-players.htm List says, Demidov is at $6,498,176 total earnings, Elky at $4,191,769. That does not include all the money Elky has won from online tournaments and sng's though, which I guess probably would boost Elky over Demidov. On November 12 2008 01:54 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: if i had to make some kind of guess i would imagine slayer is the richest starcraft to poker player. pretty awesome for soul to get 2nd though Slayer? Never knew. Does he play high stakes cash games only or why have I not heard of his success. :O | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
seems like a trend | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
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Diude
Canada124 Posts
But other than that, winning makes me feel good | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On November 12 2008 03:38 floor exercise wrote: I glanced over it and it's an overview of bankroll management and comparing climbing the skill ranks in SC to Poker. I'm also being attacked for comparing SC to Poker simultaneously, so no matter what I say I'm wrong because I'm apparently arguing 2 different things. Saying I wasn't gonna read it was an asshole thing I admit but what I would like is to no longer be involved in a poker argument because I think I was misunderstood to begin with. All I was saying in the first place is that being good at poker isn't something that can be achieved over night and to see someone win a big cash tournament and think you will easily do the same is a terrible attitude considering the reality of online poker is that it's a soulless grind You are absolutely right that poker isn't an easy game and that tournament wins like this aren't won just by playing some overnight poker. It takes a lot of hard work but I'm not sure where your argument is. Are you saying it's risky or that poker is hard? Because I think we can agree on the fact that poker is hard. Fact of the matter is however, anyone with some discipline and half a brain can win at stakes up to 200NL if they're willing to work for it. After that it actually becomes harder. Anyone that takes poker competitively will beat the recreational player who doesn't care about the money and that's why when you put in a lot of work you can earn a decent living out of poker. My 'essay' was to counter the whole risk argument. Yeah there are some degenerates who consistently put their paycheck on the internet and play on stakes WAY higher than their bankroll allows but when you're smart about it you shouldn't ever have to risk a dime of your own well-earned money by building up your bankroll from scratch. I wrote an article for starting players in online poker and I'll quote myself in this passage: Poker is being hyped everywhere nowadays. More and more players are starting to pick up this game because by many it’s considered a game where money is easily made. If you have that mindset you should probably throw it out of the window right now. Another misconception that’s often made is that poker is mostly a game that revolves around who has the most luck at the table. This may be true when you play a homegame and play like 200 hands on the entire evening, because the better player might just get a run of bad cards and lose to a lesser player at that given moment. Now imagine that the same players play that same homegame with the same stakes a thousand times; meaning they have played a total of 200.000 hands. Obviously over a large sample of hands, the luck factor disappears and the player with the most amount of skill should statistically be the biggest winner in this game. Poker is an insanely complex game with a numerous amount of factors that you can learn and improve in to ultimately become the best player in your environment. Pretty much the introduction to my article which I wrote around 1,5 year ago. I think you were right that you were misunderstood though. Thing is, poker seems easy by players who are used to the grind like Loco (Hollow here) because they have put in a lot of hours. They didn't make money at the start (just building up their bankroll) and it takes a good year or more to get good at poker and start making decent money for most. If you want to start out with poker you want to enjoy the game and enjoy evaluating your play and you shouldn't view it as a game where you will make a lot of money. Just see it as laddering on SC and getting points for playing good or w/e. That should be the reward at first with poker anyway. | ||
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HaiVan
Bulgaria1698 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On November 12 2008 04:25 dream-_- wrote: wow allot of people dont know much about poker/bankroll management. It's a higher level topic for poker, that only starts making sense when you have a ton of money to play with. | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
Poker is hard, but it's only as risky as you want it to be as long as you are disciplined. I don't like to play with more than 1% of my money on the table because it makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't like to move down to a lower limit when I lose a few big pots. You also don't have to win the WSOP in order to enjoy poker.. going slowly from 0.01/0.02 to 0.10/0.25 & learning as you move along is fun, just like scbw laddering. It also makes you realise how the same kind of risk versus reward is really everywhere around you. | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
"It can make me money, poker owns i'm going to play everyday now" <- some people seem to say this before they've even given it a shot, I don't like that "It involves gambling, I'll never come near it" <- this is the opposite and also kind of silly imo just play if you enjoy the game itself (not the money aspects) and don't if you don't, just like in bw | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
But if you want to talk about the risk of poker we can. The reality of online poker is that it's a fulltime job. The opportunity cost of playing poker is that you're 'playing' 10 hours a day (I saw datamined numbers a year or two back where it had rek playing an avg of 12 hours a day for 3+ months) while doing that you're not getting an education, you're not gaining any appreciable work experience. You're HOPEFULLY making money, but in reality you might not be. Has anyone bothered to look at the economics of poker. Where does the money that winners get come from? It's impossible for it to be some self contained, zero sum pool of money where winnings and losings can be completely explained away by variance. Then no one would win anything in the end. So obviously money gained by one person is money lost by another. For every winner of 5 million dollars, there's an equal sum of 5 million lost. It's lost over any number of people and that mitigates the loss to an extent. Tourney play really exemplifies that, for there to be 10 winners there's however many people who lose their $10,000. Fortunately, 10k typically means nothing to them. I'm not trying totake the moral road and say blah blah you're making money off other people, that's retarded and if someone loses their money playing poker it's their fault entirely. But the reality is for there to be people who can make a living off poker, there has to be people who cannot make a living off it. We can hope those are mostly lawyers and doctors with lots of expendable income but it's not always so. So to think or suggest anyone can be a winner, and anyone can succeed at poker, is fundamentally wrong. Please don't misconstrue anything I'm saying as some public service announcement against poker. I think it's cool, I watch a lot of poker shows. I think it's a respectable living I just don't see where the absolute guarantee that you're going to make money if you put your time into poker comes from. Not everyone has the skill or the brains to be maximizing the value of every hand over a billion tables at once. We'd like to think we are all smart enough to succeed but it's just not reality. If I need clarification on anything, it's that. | ||
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the.dude
United States16 Posts
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
"The reality of online poker is that it's a fulltime job." what? If you want it to be then yes it can be, but seriously you can play two hours once a week. No one will say "Hold it right there son, you're not playing 10 hours /day..." and it's a game, not a job | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
It should always be about fun, not about making money, when you start out. | ||
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United States4024 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On November 12 2008 05:45 Archaic wrote: Good poker players scare me. I talk to this guy and he says something along the lines of him being worth 20-30 million. Then he goes on to talk about how he goes out to play poker with his friends. Then he says "I was the little man in the group. Everyone there was worth at least 50 million" -_-... So scary. Ehm. I'm sure he was exaggerating because there's only a handful of people who are in poker that are worth this much and they earned most of it out of commercialism and business deals. Also pretty sure that the top guns wouldn't ever tell you how much they're worth, that's just retarded ;o | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 12 2008 01:41 travis wrote: dude Sfydjklm, rekrul is an awesome tourney player. well when i posted that i was thinking of Elky and mig, its tough to call though, you can go by opinions which are just opinions or you can go by cash won, which isnt exactly honest way to go about it- seeing as Gold is the most profitable tournament player. I think its only consistency which people like mig, elky or khan exhibit that should be credited, which is of course might not be a fair judgment on someone who is a predominantly cash player. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 12 2008 01:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: itm scores isnt datamining I meant the german site that got shut down now, which showed 90% of the players in the red. Which of course is skewed, but i think it perfectly illustrates the hardships of poker- everyone who ever ventures there will have to face a brutal downswing, and poker is no way an easy way to make money- its extremely tough mentally. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Don't be such an asshole. Let's keep it fair. Don't lie about poker just because you think it will make you money. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
I remember when I was a trash talking newb soul would just lol and be nice to me for some reason. Sucks that he didn't win. Sfydjklm if someone is a poker player they are a poker player. There is no such thing as a 'tourney player' or a 'cash game player.' The only reason why anyone would classify themselves as one and be justified is merely because they are saying 'I do one way more often than the other.' They are not saying they are way better at tournaments than cash games or w/e. If you're counting volume then yeah, I am a cash game player, but that says nothing about anything. If you classify yourself as either you definitely suck. There are plenty of "lol tournament players" which translates to horrible at tournamets but still profit because there are tons of players worse than them and scared to play cash games. There are plenty of "lol cash game players" which translates to low stakes online grinders or live grinders who play bad but still win because everyone else is worse but are scared to put money into a tournamet because they have no idea what to do. But those classifications are only for mediocre players or worse. When a player has reached a high skill level at either tournaments or cash games, they can transition easily with minimal practice. Mig and ElkY are both unreal good at tournaments (top 5 world each ez if you can even make a 'top 5' LOL) so its very hard to compare anyone to them. And to look at tournament results to gauge who is better than who (IF THAT EVEN MATTERS, IT DOESNT LOL) is retarded because you don't know how many tournaments the players have entered. Some people play 10 tournaments a year, some people play 100. I'm going to start attacking the circuit in 2009 though, look out. | ||
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Canada450 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On November 13 2008 18:56 Rekrul wrote: Mig and ElkY are both unreal good at tournaments (top 5 world each ez if you can even make a 'top 5' LOL) so its very hard to compare anyone to them. This is online though, right? | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
My friends and I asked her where she played and she said Texas Hold Em. Dumb whore. She was smokin hot though. Yippieeeeee | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Does it matter? Besides, top online players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (times 10^9999999999999999) >> top live players =[. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On November 17 2008 20:57 Twisted wrote: Does it matter? Besides, top online players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (times 10^9999999999999999) >> top live players =[. I don't know whether it matters, I started playing poker 2 weeks ago, but from what I gathered so far the difference between live and online play's pretty big. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 13 2008 18:56 Rekrul wrote: Soul is obviously a very very good player but you can't say he's better than elky. Elky is an unreal beast Soul ran good in the best tournament to run good in his life is set lol. I remember when I was a trash talking newb soul would just lol and be nice to me for some reason. Sucks that he didn't win. Sfydjklm if someone is a poker player they are a poker player. There is no such thing as a 'tourney player' or a 'cash game player.' The only reason why anyone would classify themselves as one and be justified is merely because they are saying 'I do one way more often than the other.' They are not saying they are way better at tournaments than cash games or w/e. If you're counting volume then yeah, I am a cash game player, but that says nothing about anything. If you classify yourself as either you definitely suck. There are plenty of "lol tournament players" which translates to horrible at tournamets but still profit because there are tons of players worse than them and scared to play cash games. There are plenty of "lol cash game players" which translates to low stakes online grinders or live grinders who play bad but still win because everyone else is worse but are scared to put money into a tournamet because they have no idea what to do. But those classifications are only for mediocre players or worse. When a player has reached a high skill level at either tournaments or cash games, they can transition easily with minimal practice. Mig and ElkY are both unreal good at tournaments (top 5 world each ez if you can even make a 'top 5' LOL) so its very hard to compare anyone to them. And to look at tournament results to gauge who is better than who (IF THAT EVEN MATTERS, IT DOESNT LOL) is retarded because you don't know how many tournaments the players have entered. Some people play 10 tournaments a year, some people play 100. I'm going to start attacking the circuit in 2009 though, look out. no disrespect meant yo! | ||
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PrinceOfControl
Norway159 Posts
cool fact~ | ||
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Raidern
Brazil3811 Posts
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fearus
China2164 Posts
His won.. $3,618,720 this year alone with 6 final table appearances. | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
EDIT: Google is my friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Grospellier EDIT:2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Eastgate | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
- so sorry if i revived a "dead" thread, i thought the last post was pretty recent. | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9949 Posts
On January 01 2009 00:25 ShaperofDreams wrote: i personally think that success in poker is 70% discipline, and very recently i got really into poker and am going to start grinding cash money soon. I am very new, but i am going to grind 1/2 cent blinds to learn and not to profit. (because play money is too unrealistic to learn from) - so sorry if i revived a "dead" thread, i thought the last post was pretty recent. it's discipline up till like nl25. higher than that you'll need some mix of effort, good comprehension, analysis, experience and talent. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
1) It's a very emotionally and mentally taxing game. Every decision you make (even if it's just to fold) is either winning or losing you money. And a fair amount of the times, even when you make the good decisions, you still will lose - which is extremely frustrating. Also, the game is very alienating and often is just a grind. 2) The long-term is much longer than most people realize. To give you an idea, someone who has played 1000 tournaments still only has a short-term record. This can be very frustrating and gets back to the first point. Still.. if you study hard and have good discipline (like bankroll management), you can certainly make some money with poker. It really isn't that tough a game to beat at most limits. There are terrible players at every limit. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
If you have enough will power and discipline it MAY make u rich. I after reading all that stuff about poker started myself to play online and for sure there are a few guys like bigballs,elky,giyom,rekrul,soul ect.. who are doing very very good, but let me assure u: 1) Every big winner gains money from something like 1000 small and 200 big losers so to speak.. 2) Being successful at poker takes so much time. It's insane 3) Being that disciplined is something not everybody can actually really do.. GL & HF and never have the illusion poker gives u som easy money in a few months.. thats just not how its working.. | ||
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InternetPokers
United States2 Posts
On November 12 2008 01:54 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: if i had to make some kind of guess i would imagine slayer is the richest starcraft to poker player. pretty awesome for soul to get 2nd though I've heard before that Slayer plays poker and is quite good, I never realized to this extent though. Could you (or anyone who knows) elaborate on where he's made his money? Is it all just from playing high stakes on Prima or Betfair or whatever those euro sites are called? Or does he play tourneys too? Does he ever play Stars/Full Tilt? | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9376 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On January 01 2009 00:46 RaGe wrote: it's discipline up till like nl25. higher than that you'll need some mix of effort, good comprehension, analysis, experience and talent. sooo overestimating poker field. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 10 2009 21:32 InternetPokers wrote: I've heard before that Slayer plays poker and is quite good, I never realized to this extent though. Could you (or anyone who knows) elaborate on where he's made his money? Is it all just from playing high stakes on Prima or Betfair or whatever those euro sites are called? Or does he play tourneys too? Does he ever play Stars/Full Tilt? I don't knw where he plays but he rapes at cash.. | ||
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