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letsye made a form to share info - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/523467-destiny-2-pc-xbox-ps4?page=9#165

eieio also made a PC clan, PM him here or add him in-game: eieio#11967

Clan: https://www.bungie.net/en/ClanV2/Index?groupId=2871144
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 20:26:20
January 18 2018 20:25 GMT
#461
On January 19 2018 05:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the Activision CEO is "getting while the getting is good". i see no "path to victory" for Skylanders and Destiny is on the ropes.

either that or he is getting fired and they don't want to call it that.

As much as I think ur reasoning is wrong with a lot of things....you're spot on https://venturebeat.com/2018/01/18/activision-publishing-ceo-eric-hirshberg-is-leaving-in-march-after-8-years/
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17897 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 20:29:38
January 18 2018 20:25 GMT
#462
they announced revenue for Overwatch. ATVI missed its revenue targets the quarter D2 was released. in ATVI's eyes the game under performed.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 20:30:21
January 18 2018 20:29 GMT
#463
On January 19 2018 05:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
they announced revenue for Overwatch.

And they did for Destiny 1

"“Based on extraordinary audience demand, retail and first party orders worldwide have exceeded $500 million for Destiny,” said Bobby Kotick, CEO of Activision Blizzard. “This industry milestone marks another blockbuster success for our company and demonstrates our unique ability to create some of the most successful entertainment franchises in the world. The success of Destiny, along with the recent introduction of Blizzard Entertainment’s Hearthstone, is further validation of our unique capabilities to create great entertainment franchises from the ground up.”

I feel like we had this discussion before... I think Destiny 1 was objectively a blockbuster success, u heard it from ur boy himself.

Destiny 2, i'd imagine probably didn't hit the same mark unless PC compensated.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17897 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 20:33:04
January 18 2018 20:30 GMT
#464
we've had this debate before. Sold to retailers is not sold to consumers. they corrected this later.
he calls everything a success. he has to.
Eric Hirshberg isn't being fired because Skylanders bombed and ATVI is missing revenue targets... he is "moving on".

you only have to look at the resources put into Destiny2 to see that Destiny1 was not viewed as a success by ATVI.

make no mistake about it.. Bungie is fighting for its life right now.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
January 18 2018 20:32 GMT
#465
On January 19 2018 05:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

Eric Hirshberg isn't being fired because Skylanders bombed and ATVI is missing revenue targets... he is "moving on".


I'm surprised that's your take on it. I'd assume you would say thats their way of letting him save face.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17897 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 20:37:57
January 18 2018 20:35 GMT
#466
On January 19 2018 05:32 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 05:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

Eric Hirshberg isn't being fired because Skylanders bombed and ATVI is missing revenue targets... he is "moving on".

I'm surprised that's your take on it. I'd assume you would say thats their way of letting him save face.

that is exactly what i'm saying... saving face for both ATVI and Hirshberg.
most of the places where i've worked i receive "employee X is no longer working here".
i don't get the ugly details. if there are ugly details we won't get them.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
January 18 2018 20:38 GMT
#467
On January 19 2018 05:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
they announced revenue for Overwatch. ATVI missed its revenue targets the quarter D2 was released. in ATVI's eyes the game under performed.

??? It was launched Q3. "Activision Blizzard Announces Better-Than-Expected Third-Quarter 2017 Financial Results"
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17897 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 20:55:49
January 18 2018 20:42 GMT
#468
not according to this.
http://www.nasdaq.com/g00/article/activision-atvi-q3-earnings-miss-estimates-revenues-beat-cm871144?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw==

they hit the fake sandbag #s ATVI creates so that every quarterly report is a non-stop party of circle jerking.
when does ATVI miss their fake sandbag #s?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 20:55:36
January 18 2018 20:54 GMT
#469
On January 19 2018 05:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
not according to this.
http://www.nasdaq.com/g00/article/activision-atvi-q3-earnings-miss-estimates-revenues-beat-cm871144?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw==

they hit the fake sandbag #s ATVI creates so that every quarterly report is a non-stop party of circle jerking.
when does ATVI miss their fake sandbag #s?


Ok so why do companies miss those "sandbag #s"? It's not like they don't fuck up and miss an estimate like they did late 2015. What estimates are we going off if not the company's own projections?Are you going to swear by Zacks Consensus Estimate as the one and true way?

In your own link, it says they exceeded the revenue expectation...

"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17897 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 20:58:37
January 18 2018 20:55 GMT
#470
you can tell ATVI missed the street estimates because the stock price fell and didn't recover for 3 weeks.
Overall, the stock markets ( NASDAQ etc) are doing great so for a stock like ATVI to fall... means the street ain't happy and they have a lot of evidence to back their sentiment.

we're in greed mode right now. isn't it Bobby Kotick who said : "greed is good"
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22638 Posts
January 18 2018 21:15 GMT
#471
On January 19 2018 05:29 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 05:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
they announced revenue for Overwatch.

And they did for Destiny 1

"“Based on extraordinary audience demand, retail and first party orders worldwide have exceeded $500 million for Destiny,” said Bobby Kotick, CEO of Activision Blizzard. “This industry milestone marks another blockbuster success for our company and demonstrates our unique ability to create some of the most successful entertainment franchises in the world. The success of Destiny, along with the recent introduction of Blizzard Entertainment’s Hearthstone, is further validation of our unique capabilities to create great entertainment franchises from the ground up.”

I feel like we had this discussion before... I think Destiny 1 was objectively a blockbuster success, u heard it from ur boy himself.

Destiny 2, i'd imagine probably didn't hit the same mark unless PC compensated.

There is no way PC compensated, the late PC release meant players got to see how bad the game was before they bought it.

I was one of the people excited to buy it for PC but walked away based on console release.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17897 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 21:28:38
January 18 2018 21:22 GMT
#472
When ATVI is happy with sales they reveal the "sell through" to consumers. Real actual sales to real consumers.
ATVI gives you the fake "sell in to retail" #s like they did for Destiny 1 when things are bad.

here is an example here.
https://charlieintel.com/2017/12/20/call-duty-wwii-earned-1-billion-global-sales-best-selling-cod-game-current-gen-consoles/
taht is $1 billion sold through to consumers. that is a real number.

here is "sell through" versus "sell in"
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/sellthrough-vs-sellin-34397.html
in 2018 language... "sell in" is #fakenews
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22638 Posts
January 18 2018 21:27 GMT
#473
On January 19 2018 05:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

In what universe can a developer, with a strait face, say "should we inform players we changed the reward system from last time?, Nah it will be ok".
And why is that man not fired yet.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17897 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 22:06:39
January 18 2018 22:06 GMT
#474
On January 19 2018 06:27 Gorsameth wrote:
In what universe can a developer, with a strait face, say "should we inform players we changed the reward system from last time?, Nah it will be ok".
And why is that man not fired yet.

how do you know its a man?
a culture of dishonesty permeates the organization.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
January 18 2018 22:13 GMT
#475
On January 19 2018 06:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
When ATVI is happy with sales they reveal the "sell through" to consumers. Real actual sales to real consumers.
ATVI gives you the fake "sell in to retail" #s like they did for Destiny 1 when things are bad.

here is an example here.
https://charlieintel.com/2017/12/20/call-duty-wwii-earned-1-billion-global-sales-best-selling-cod-game-current-gen-consoles/
taht is $1 billion sold through to consumers. that is a real number.

here is "sell through" versus "sell in"
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/sellthrough-vs-sellin-34397.html
in 2018 language... "sell in" is #fakenews

Oh ok. So Destiny 1 bombed and didnt make any money. Was the worst debuting IP of all time, and ATVI have said that it was a failure, got it.

In the same citation, it said Destiny was the #2 bestselling game. I think you're still overstating whatever disappointments the game had.

On January 19 2018 06:27 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 05:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/cgbarrett/status/953863030621655040

In what universe can a developer, with a strait face, say "should we inform players we changed the reward system from last time?, Nah it will be ok".
And why is that man not fired yet.

OK, I don't get this, I haven't played yet this weekend, was planning on doing it over the weekend. How does the the drip feeding/unlocking of the faction rally work?
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17897 Posts
January 18 2018 22:21 GMT
#476
On January 19 2018 07:13 lestye wrote:
Oh ok. So Destiny 1 bombed and didnt make any money. Was the worst debuting IP of all time, and ATVI have said that it was a failure, got it.
In the same citation, it said Destiny was the #2 bestselling game. I think you're still overstating whatever disappointments the game had.

if D1 met or exceeded ATVI's expectations it would have received clear announcements of its sales success the way COD:WW2 just did.

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 23 2018 00:52 GMT
#477
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10868 Posts
January 23 2018 02:40 GMT
#478
What the heck, I haven't played in a while and don't have the expansion yet, not sure what all this rambling is about...

Is it still fun & what's up with the TL clan in Destiny 2? I enjoy it myself
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 23 2018 20:56 GMT
#479
The TL clan is DOA it's just me and eieino. Though we did manage to get the Clan to level 2.

This is not good.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17897 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-25 00:46:19
January 24 2018 17:42 GMT
#480
you could see the above analysis coming if you've been reading between the lines of the marketing fluff ATVI releases about the game's "success".
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/activisions-destiny-2-is-struggling-right-now-cowen-analyst.html

i don't think ATVI's share price can be impacted long term in a major way by 1 of its "big 10" experiencing problems.
D2 would have to completely fail the way Skylanders or Guitar Hero has. Merely "struggling" won't do it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/01/24/a-warning-about-the-notion-that-destiny-2-will-drag-down-activision-in-2018/#3d2015471832
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