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they announced revenue for Overwatch. ATVI missed its revenue targets the quarter D2 was released. in ATVI's eyes the game under performed.
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On January 19 2018 05:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
they announced revenue for Overwatch.
And they did for Destiny 1
"“Based on extraordinary audience demand, retail and first party orders worldwide have exceeded $500 million for Destiny,” said Bobby Kotick, CEO of Activision Blizzard. “This industry milestone marks another blockbuster success for our company and demonstrates our unique ability to create some of the most successful entertainment franchises in the world. The success of Destiny, along with the recent introduction of Blizzard Entertainment’s Hearthstone, is further validation of our unique capabilities to create great entertainment franchises from the ground up.”
I feel like we had this discussion before... I think Destiny 1 was objectively a blockbuster success, u heard it from ur boy himself.
Destiny 2, i'd imagine probably didn't hit the same mark unless PC compensated.
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we've had this debate before. Sold to retailers is not sold to consumers. they corrected this later.
he calls everything a success. he has to.
Eric Hirshberg isn't being fired because Skylanders bombed and ATVI is missing revenue targets... he is "moving on".
you only have to look at the resources put into Destiny2 to see that Destiny1 was not viewed as a success by ATVI.
make no mistake about it.. Bungie is fighting for its life right now.
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On January 19 2018 05:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Eric Hirshberg isn't being fired because Skylanders bombed and ATVI is missing revenue targets... he is "moving on".
I'm surprised that's your take on it. I'd assume you would say thats their way of letting him save face.
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On January 19 2018 05:32 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 05:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Eric Hirshberg isn't being fired because Skylanders bombed and ATVI is missing revenue targets... he is "moving on". I'm surprised that's your take on it. I'd assume you would say thats their way of letting him save face.
that is exactly what i'm saying... saving face for both ATVI and Hirshberg.
most of the places where i've worked i receive "employee X is no longer working here".
i don't get the ugly details. if there are ugly details we won't get them.
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On January 19 2018 05:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
they announced revenue for Overwatch. ATVI missed its revenue targets the quarter D2 was released. in ATVI's eyes the game under performed.
??? It was launched Q3. "Activision Blizzard Announces Better-Than-Expected Third-Quarter 2017 Financial Results"
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Ok so why do companies miss those "sandbag #s"? It's not like they don't fuck up and miss an estimate like they did late 2015. What estimates are we going off if not the company's own projections?Are you going to swear by Zacks Consensus Estimate as the one and true way?
In your own link, it says they exceeded the revenue expectation...
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you can tell ATVI missed the street estimates because the stock price fell and didn't recover for 3 weeks.
Overall, the stock markets ( NASDAQ etc) are doing great so for a stock like ATVI to fall... means the street ain't happy and they have a lot of evidence to back their sentiment.
we're in greed mode right now. isn't it Bobby Kotick who said : "greed is good" 
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On January 19 2018 05:29 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 05:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
they announced revenue for Overwatch. And they did for Destiny 1 "“Based on extraordinary audience demand, retail and first party orders worldwide have exceeded $500 million for Destiny,” said Bobby Kotick, CEO of Activision Blizzard. “This industry milestone marks another blockbuster success for our company and demonstrates our unique ability to create some of the most successful entertainment franchises in the world. The success of Destiny, along with the recent introduction of Blizzard Entertainment’s Hearthstone, is further validation of our unique capabilities to create great entertainment franchises from the ground up.” I feel like we had this discussion before... I think Destiny 1 was objectively a blockbuster success, u heard it from ur boy himself. Destiny 2, i'd imagine probably didn't hit the same mark unless PC compensated.
There is no way PC compensated, the late PC release meant players got to see how bad the game was before they bought it.
I was one of the people excited to buy it for PC but walked away based on console release.
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On January 19 2018 05:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In what universe can a developer, with a strait face, say "should we inform players we changed the reward system from last time?, Nah it will be ok".
And why is that man not fired yet.
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On January 19 2018 06:27 Gorsameth wrote:
In what universe can a developer, with a strait face, say "should we inform players we changed the reward system from last time?, Nah it will be ok".
And why is that man not fired yet.
how do you know its a man?
a culture of dishonesty permeates the organization.
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Oh ok. So Destiny 1 bombed and didnt make any money. Was the worst debuting IP of all time, and ATVI have said that it was a failure, got it.
In the same citation, it said Destiny was the #2 bestselling game. I think you're still overstating whatever disappointments the game had.
On January 19 2018 06:27 Gorsameth wrote:In what universe can a developer, with a strait face, say "should we inform players we changed the reward system from last time?, Nah it will be ok". And why is that man not fired yet.
OK, I don't get this, I haven't played yet this weekend, was planning on doing it over the weekend. How does the the drip feeding/unlocking of the faction rally work?
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On January 19 2018 07:13 lestye wrote:
Oh ok. So Destiny 1 bombed and didnt make any money. Was the worst debuting IP of all time, and ATVI have said that it was a failure, got it.
In the same citation, it said Destiny was the #2 bestselling game. I think you're still overstating whatever disappointments the game had.
if D1 met or exceeded ATVI's expectations it would have received clear announcements of its sales success the way COD:WW2 just did.
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What the heck, I haven't played in a while and don't have the expansion yet, not sure what all this rambling is about...
Is it still fun & what's up with the TL clan in Destiny 2? I enjoy it myself 
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The TL clan is DOA it's just me and eieino. Though we did manage to get the Clan to level 2.
This is not good.
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EPT
