Seriously though, isn't a big issues with games like Civ that they just can be solved too easily? The key to the "e-sport" aspect of Starcraft is that the game is physically demanding: no amount of information will make you a champion, unless you can actually click all of that into existence. Making a viable competition based solely on intelect is quite difficult - look no further than chess really and observe its exsitential crisis, where openings and finishes are mapped out to many moves, most high-level games ends in draws and computers beat humans pretty hard. And then look at the "solutioin" in form of Go, which is still complex enough to make for a hell of a competition - but also complex enough that watching it casually makes absolutely zero sense. I just don't think this road is viable.

MrGameTheory

17 Posts

October 22 2016 05:54 GMT

#85

Hey guys. Nice to meet you all. I look forward to playing all the top Civ V players ASAP, especially the ones who got their hands on the early dev build. So which one of you NQ players with 5,000+ hours on Civ V wants to go first?

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

October 22 2016 05:57 GMT

#86

On October 22 2016 14:54 MrGameTheory wrote:
Hey guys. Nice to meet you all. I look forward to playing all the top Civ V players ASAP, especially the ones who got their hands on the early dev build. So which one of you NQ players with 5,000+ hours on Civ V wants to go first?

Wanna go tonight? Lets stream it

lestye

United States4209 Posts

October 22 2016 06:00 GMT

#87

On October 22 2016 14:38 opisska wrote:
Seriously though, isn't a big issues with games like Civ that they just can be solved too easily? The key to the "e-sport" aspect of Starcraft is that the game is physically demanding: no amount of information will make you a champion, unless you can actually click all of that into existence. Making a viable competition based solely on intelect is quite difficult - look no further than chess really and observe its exsitential crisis, where openings and finishes are mapped out to many moves, most high-level games ends in draws and computers beat humans pretty hard. And then look at the "solutioin" in form of Go, which is still complex enough to make for a hell of a competition - but also complex enough that watching it casually makes absolutely zero sense. I just don't think this road is viable.

I think we need to draw a line between "esport" and "competitive game", if that makes sense.

I think there's enough hidden information and random seeding as well as rng from attacks and all those crazy modifiers to make it less "solved"

lestye

United States4209 Posts

October 22 2016 06:01 GMT

#88

On October 22 2016 13:28 Shellshock wrote:
are you going to make a civ website like liquiddota etc?

I hope to God not, that shit kills communities. I wouldn't mind separate website if I didnt have to visit different sites and relog in just to participate in discussions.

phyren

United States1067 Posts

October 22 2016 06:05 GMT

#89

How does this even work? Civilization games take hours, don't they?

Scorch

Austria3371 Posts

October 22 2016 06:10 GMT

#90

I like Civ as much as the next guy and I would be interested in entertaining and deep commentary, but a game where a single match can take many hours doesn't work as an esport.

MrGameTheory

17 Posts

October 22 2016 06:15 GMT

#91

Please feel free to pass my challenge along to all the top Civ streamers or Civ V players who are considered the best in the MP community. Just have them send me a message on steam and we can organize the game. I will be around all weekend to play.

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

October 22 2016 06:20 GMT

#92

added you on steam. Let's play, either Duel or in a 6 player FFA. Feel free to come on the NQ teamspeak most games for civ 6 are either organized there or in NQ chat

utelektr

United States109 Posts

October 22 2016 06:29 GMT

#93

April is six months away.