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On June 11 2013 13:06 beefhamburger wrote:
I haven't really used used either in a quite a long time, but I always thought XBL > PSN? At least in terms of playerbase? Can someone enlighten me on the state of both (preferably an unbiased opinion on just the online scene).
XBL is an inferior service but has quite a few more players (I just think that XBL players are more multiplayer oriented, and the 360 has outsold the PS3 until recently).
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On June 11 2013 13:06 beefhamburger wrote:
I haven't really used used either in a quite a long time, but I always thought XBL > PSN? At least in terms of playerbase? Can someone enlighten me on the state of both (preferably an unbiased opinion on just the online scene).
Based on playerbase alone XBL is much better. PSN+ will get a lot of new players though when most of us switch over.
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On June 11 2013 13:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:02 Ideas wrote:On June 11 2013 12:46 Kipsate wrote:
So, anyone an idea what Nintendo is going to come with? Here's how they can make me interested: price drop by at least $50 show me Bayonetta 2 and make it look awesome show me the most unique 3D mario game ever made and make sure it doesn't use the wii-mote show me a brand new IP that looks really cool' seriously when was the last brand new IP from nintendo? wii sports? before that maybe animal crossing? pikmin was the last new IP from nintendo last time I checked. I didn't count wii sports as...well they're sports
I guess there was pushmo on 3DS and Nintendogs on DS now that I think about it more. Although on consoles it's been a LONG time.
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On June 11 2013 13:06 Kurr wrote:
Well, if I ever have enough money to waste on a new console, my choice is now between the Wii U and the PS4. Guess it depends how each console looks like 2-3 years when I possibly have some money.
I can't imagine the Wii U ever looking better. It's looking exactly like the last 2 Nintendo consoles, which basically means you buy it solely for Nintendo's in-house games. Which isn't a terrible reason...if you're a big enough fan of Metroid, Mario, Smash-Bros and Zelda then that should be enough.
But if you're holding your breath and hoping that the Wii U gets a good enough game library to justify the purchase...history kinda speaks against it.
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On June 11 2013 13:15 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:06 Kurr wrote:
Well, if I ever have enough money to waste on a new console, my choice is now between the Wii U and the PS4. Guess it depends how each console looks like 2-3 years when I possibly have some money. I can't imagine the Wii U ever looking better. It's looking exactly like the last 2 Nintendo consoles, which basically means you buy it solely for Nintendo's in-house games. Which isn't a terrible reason...if you're a big enough fan of Metroid, Mario, Smash-Bros and Zelda then that should be enough. But if you're holding your breath and hoping that the Wii U gets a good enough game library to justify the purchase...history kinda speaks against it.
Dat feel when gamecube is insulted 
I feel that it is still possible for Wii U to get back in the game. A price cut and their signature series coming out could definitely put it onto the field, and they do have some support from third parties, along with them encouraging indie developers quite a bit. Nintendo still has quite some time before the new consoles come out, so here's hoping they use the time. I really would dislike it if there was only one console in the market.
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On June 11 2013 13:21 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:15 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 11 2013 13:06 Kurr wrote:
Well, if I ever have enough money to waste on a new console, my choice is now between the Wii U and the PS4. Guess it depends how each console looks like 2-3 years when I possibly have some money. I can't imagine the Wii U ever looking better. It's looking exactly like the last 2 Nintendo consoles, which basically means you buy it solely for Nintendo's in-house games. Which isn't a terrible reason...if you're a big enough fan of Metroid, Mario, Smash-Bros and Zelda then that should be enough. But if you're holding your breath and hoping that the Wii U gets a good enough game library to justify the purchase...history kinda speaks against it. Dat feel when gamecube is insulted I feel that it is still possible for Wii U to get back in the game. A price cut and their signature series coming out could definitely put it onto the field, and they do have some support from third parties, along with them encouraging indie developers quite a bit. Nintendo still has quite some time before the new consoles come out, so here's hoping they use the time. I really would dislike it if there was only one console in the market.
I don't see why people think that Nintendo is "out of the game". Nintendo has and should always be that reliable developer with the fucking awesome in-house and unique games that keep it a perfect niche for the market. It sure as hell wasn't going to beat the PS1 or PS2, and the only reason it won Gen 7 is because XBox is XBox and the Playstation came out way fucking late. Hell, Nintendo has, historically, been the only company to actually make profit off of selling their consoles, so it's not like they NEED to win.
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On June 11 2013 13:24 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:21 Dark_Chill wrote:On June 11 2013 13:15 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 11 2013 13:06 Kurr wrote:
Well, if I ever have enough money to waste on a new console, my choice is now between the Wii U and the PS4. Guess it depends how each console looks like 2-3 years when I possibly have some money. I can't imagine the Wii U ever looking better. It's looking exactly like the last 2 Nintendo consoles, which basically means you buy it solely for Nintendo's in-house games. Which isn't a terrible reason...if you're a big enough fan of Metroid, Mario, Smash-Bros and Zelda then that should be enough. But if you're holding your breath and hoping that the Wii U gets a good enough game library to justify the purchase...history kinda speaks against it. Dat feel when gamecube is insulted I feel that it is still possible for Wii U to get back in the game. A price cut and their signature series coming out could definitely put it onto the field, and they do have some support from third parties, along with them encouraging indie developers quite a bit. Nintendo still has quite some time before the new consoles come out, so here's hoping they use the time. I really would dislike it if there was only one console in the market. I don't see why people think that Nintendo is "out of the game". Nintendo has and should always be that reliable developer with the fucking awesome in-house and unique games that keep it a perfect niche for the market. It sure as hell wasn't going to beat the PS1 or PS2, and the only reason it won Gen 7 is because XBox is XBox and the Playstation came out way fucking late. Hell, Nintendo has, historically, been the only company to actually make profit off of selling their consoles, so it's not like they NEED to win.
They just haven't been doing well overall lately which is why they suffer from the doom and gloom. I think last year they reported a net loss and this year, while reported a profit, lowered their sales expectations by about 50%. I personally think they would do much better as just a software developer but, I'm just a dude...yanno...
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On June 11 2013 13:24 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:21 Dark_Chill wrote:On June 11 2013 13:15 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 11 2013 13:06 Kurr wrote:
Well, if I ever have enough money to waste on a new console, my choice is now between the Wii U and the PS4. Guess it depends how each console looks like 2-3 years when I possibly have some money. I can't imagine the Wii U ever looking better. It's looking exactly like the last 2 Nintendo consoles, which basically means you buy it solely for Nintendo's in-house games. Which isn't a terrible reason...if you're a big enough fan of Metroid, Mario, Smash-Bros and Zelda then that should be enough. But if you're holding your breath and hoping that the Wii U gets a good enough game library to justify the purchase...history kinda speaks against it. Dat feel when gamecube is insulted I feel that it is still possible for Wii U to get back in the game. A price cut and their signature series coming out could definitely put it onto the field, and they do have some support from third parties, along with them encouraging indie developers quite a bit. Nintendo still has quite some time before the new consoles come out, so here's hoping they use the time. I really would dislike it if there was only one console in the market. I don't see why people think that Nintendo is "out of the game". Nintendo has and should always be that reliable developer with the fucking awesome in-house and unique games that keep it a perfect niche for the market. It sure as hell wasn't going to beat the PS1 or PS2, and the only reason it won Gen 7 is because XBox is XBox and the Playstation came out way fucking late. Hell, Nintendo has, historically, been the only company to actually make profit off of selling their consoles, so it's not like they NEED to win.
Except the Wii was sold at a profit, the Wii U is sold at a loss. Plus they're just not selling like the Wii was. They were 2.5million Wii U's short of their expectation, and they expect to sell another 9 million this year.
Plus even on the Wii, they had pretty important 3rd party titles from EA, Ubisoft and Capcom. EA and Ubisoft didn't mention them at all.
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I'm interested to see how the Gakai Streaming will work in combination with the Vita . If they manage to make Triple A next gen titles playedable on a handheld with that ( the stuff doesn't actually run on the handheld so inferior hardware doesn't really matter ) . The Vita isn't that great by itseelf but with that it becomes alot more interesting at least for me.
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Could someone link the games mentioned during the conferences which also show which consoles they're going to?
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On June 11 2013 13:21 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:15 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 11 2013 13:06 Kurr wrote:
Well, if I ever have enough money to waste on a new console, my choice is now between the Wii U and the PS4. Guess it depends how each console looks like 2-3 years when I possibly have some money. I can't imagine the Wii U ever looking better. It's looking exactly like the last 2 Nintendo consoles, which basically means you buy it solely for Nintendo's in-house games. Which isn't a terrible reason...if you're a big enough fan of Metroid, Mario, Smash-Bros and Zelda then that should be enough. But if you're holding your breath and hoping that the Wii U gets a good enough game library to justify the purchase...history kinda speaks against it. Dat feel when gamecube is insulted I feel that it is still possible for Wii U to get back in the game. A price cut and their signature series coming out could definitely put it onto the field, and they do have some support from third parties, along with them encouraging indie developers quite a bit. Nintendo still has quite some time before the new consoles come out, so here's hoping they use the time. I really would dislike it if there was only one console in the market.
There was nothing explicitly wrong with the Gamecube. However, if someone had to choose between it or the PS2, the only reason to buy a Gamecube was for the Nintendo franchises.
The Wii U basically suffers the exact same issues of the Wii, without the appeal to the large peripheral market. It's a less powerful system with a required gimmick to program for, something that will always effect the developer appeal. Plus the Wii U is actually sold at a loss, so Nintendo is for once relying on game sales to turn a profit.
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Now after this hypetrain has settled down.
Im hella pumped about all these games coming out on these consoles. And since i can get both for under $1000, im going to have a lot of new games to play. Very exciting.
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On June 11 2013 13:31 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:24 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 11 2013 13:21 Dark_Chill wrote:On June 11 2013 13:15 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 11 2013 13:06 Kurr wrote:
Well, if I ever have enough money to waste on a new console, my choice is now between the Wii U and the PS4. Guess it depends how each console looks like 2-3 years when I possibly have some money. I can't imagine the Wii U ever looking better. It's looking exactly like the last 2 Nintendo consoles, which basically means you buy it solely for Nintendo's in-house games. Which isn't a terrible reason...if you're a big enough fan of Metroid, Mario, Smash-Bros and Zelda then that should be enough. But if you're holding your breath and hoping that the Wii U gets a good enough game library to justify the purchase...history kinda speaks against it. Dat feel when gamecube is insulted I feel that it is still possible for Wii U to get back in the game. A price cut and their signature series coming out could definitely put it onto the field, and they do have some support from third parties, along with them encouraging indie developers quite a bit. Nintendo still has quite some time before the new consoles come out, so here's hoping they use the time. I really would dislike it if there was only one console in the market. I don't see why people think that Nintendo is "out of the game". Nintendo has and should always be that reliable developer with the fucking awesome in-house and unique games that keep it a perfect niche for the market. It sure as hell wasn't going to beat the PS1 or PS2, and the only reason it won Gen 7 is because XBox is XBox and the Playstation came out way fucking late. Hell, Nintendo has, historically, been the only company to actually make profit off of selling their consoles, so it's not like they NEED to win. Except the Wii was sold at a profit, the Wii U is sold at a loss. Plus they're just not selling like the Wii was. They were 2.5million Wii U's short of their expectation, and they expect to sell another 9 million this year. Plus even on the Wii, they had pretty important 3rd party titles from EA, Ubisoft and Capcom. EA and Ubisoft didn't mention them at all.
To bring the Wii U's poor performance into perspective, in it's 4th month it sold 55k units:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/pachter-wii-u-april-us-sales-hit-55000-6408342
that's lower than the Wii, PS3, or 360 have ever sold in a month. It's basically rivaling the Vita for horrible sales right now.
edit - another good link on how bad it's been selling: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/wii-u-has-historically-bad-january-sells-about-50000-units-in-us/
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The VITA could be so much more than just a portable gaming system, i.e. Smartphone, Camera, Social Media, App center etc.
But would require an entirely new design from the ground up. I have a feeling Nintendo will beat them to the punch.
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there are a lot of games coming from 3rd parties that we didnt see today that hopefully we will see later in the week. Some games I really want to see some gameplay of are Theif 4, The Evil Within, Dying Light, MGS5, and Deep Down.
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Maybe im out of the loop but the VITA and Wii U just didnt seem to get much interest at all, the Wii took it far in terms of strangeness (motion controls) the Wii U is just a fucking oddity that nobody seems to like lol.
and the VITA just seems to have nothing going for it
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The Division looks fantastic.
Urghh...
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On June 11 2013 14:00 Capped wrote:
Maybe im out of the loop but the VITA and Wii U just didnt seem to get much interest at all, the Wii took it far in terms of strangeness (motion controls) the Wii U is just a fucking oddity that nobody seems to like lol.
and the VITA just seems to have nothing going for it
Wii u is just a marketing failure imo.
I have no idea what audience that console is supposed to have. Back in whatever year that was the Wii was released, they conquered the casual market with it. Great. Now that market is a bit saturated. This audience has no interest for the wii u, its almost the same games, its very pricey and the other games (ME3 etc) are "hardcore" games that the audience already have and probably own a PS3 or Xbox for that kind of games anyway.
So yeah neither of the two markets have an interest in the wii u.
The PSVita is almost the same story, but the other way around. When Sony announced it, I was like: looks good, won't sell.
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On June 11 2013 13:59 Ideas wrote:
there are a lot of games coming from 3rd parties that we didnt see today that hopefully we will see later in the week. Some games I really want to see some gameplay of are Theif 4, The Evil Within, Dying Light, MGS5, and Deep Down.
GT showed some Thief 4 gameplay today. It wasn't too much though, and a lot of it was combat.
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