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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
April 19 2013 19:39 GMT
#941
I was arguing that the later editions 3 and beyond. end up making players much more focused on just using the abilities they have bought on their sheet, and less focused on actually DOING what they want to in fights. its human psychology. if you give a man a list and then say "what do you want to do" they will pick from the list. if you just ask them what they want to do they become more creative.
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
April 19 2013 20:38 GMT
#942
On April 20 2013 04:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
You have unlimited choices in 2nd edition. 4th edition limits your choices. just because you may be given more choices upfront doesn't actually give you more choices.in 2nd edition you can take a polearm and sweep a 10 foot arc with it and attempt to hit the goblins within you take a penalty for doing so, but the success is far more effective than otherwise. in 4th edition you just say "I want to use sweep attack" okay thats 1d6+Your damage bonus on everything in the area. k"


You could argue that you have unlimited choices with 4th edition too. It just makes categorizations of those choices. There is nothing stopping the DM from further specifying abilities with penalties/bonuses just like in 2e. I believe there is just a general framework that encourages for those options to be considered by new players and DMs alike in 4e. You can think of it this way:

2e: You have a basic attack that can be manipulated in certain ways to provide different effects (if the DM allows it).
4e: You have a number of abilities (all are derivatives of a basic attack in essence) that can be further manipulated in certain ways to provide different effects (if the DM allows it).
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
April 19 2013 22:52 GMT
#943
The way I've always though about it is thusly: A really good DM with experienced and creative players can make any and all editions super exciting. There is nothing inherently limiting about 3rd or 4th (maybe a little with 4th, but a good DM could bend/break rules), but it provides a method for players/DMs to skip/gloss over creativity and role playing. It doesn't prohibit or outright discourage it, but it does give people a crutch. It's a subtle discouragement.

2nd edition is pretty boring combat normally - as you guys saw with the goblin cave (that got a little out of hand and boring at some points, my bad). Because of this, players and DMs are acutely aware of the need to be creative to spice things up.

So, 4th has a subtle discouragement of creativity by providing crutches for players, while 2nd edition has a not so subtle encouragement of creativity. It takes a strong DM to push players to be creative in combat in 4th, and it takes experienced players who realize that there's more fun to be had in creativity and bending the rules that read so rigidly.

In theory, 4th edition provides for more varied combat that is way more interesting, but all too often, people end up just looking at their powers and using them.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
April 20 2013 03:29 GMT
#944
I finally stumbled across an old AD&D 2nd handbook. So weird not seeing Skills and Feats. I kept thinking how great Cleave and Great Cleave would've been for Vincent against all those goblins. But that's 3.5 and 3.5 influenced games.
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imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
April 21 2013 23:43 GMT
#945
Anyone know what time they are planning on starting tonight? just checked JP's twitter and he said he just landed at the Dallas airport so I assume its going to be a while?
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 00:21:42
April 22 2013 00:20 GMT
#946
On April 22 2013 08:43 imJealous wrote:
Anyone know what time they are planning on starting tonight? just checked JP's twitter and he said he just landed at the Dallas airport so I assume its going to be a while?


I just asked Neal on Twitter, hopefully we'll get an answer. I'm wondering if i should stay up to watch the show live for once. 3 AM already. T_T
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
April 22 2013 00:21 GMT
#947
On April 22 2013 09:20 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 08:43 imJealous wrote:
Anyone know what time they are planning on starting tonight? just checked JP's twitter and he said he just landed at the Dallas airport so I assume its going to be a while?


I just asked Neal on Twitter, hopefully we'll get an answer. I'm wondering if i should stay up to watch the show live for once. 3 AM already. T_T


It's nice that I am not the only idiot staying up for this
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 22 2013 00:24 GMT
#948
On April 22 2013 09:21 KadaverBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 09:20 Grettin wrote:
On April 22 2013 08:43 imJealous wrote:
Anyone know what time they are planning on starting tonight? just checked JP's twitter and he said he just landed at the Dallas airport so I assume its going to be a while?


I just asked Neal on Twitter, hopefully we'll get an answer. I'm wondering if i should stay up to watch the show live for once. 3 AM already. T_T


It's nice that I am not the only idiot staying up for this


Don't be so hard on yourself! Only thing that prevents me from staying up is that it makes me feel guilty and lazy, when i sleep during the day. LOL
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
April 22 2013 00:24 GMT
#949
On April 22 2013 09:24 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 09:21 KadaverBB wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:20 Grettin wrote:
On April 22 2013 08:43 imJealous wrote:
Anyone know what time they are planning on starting tonight? just checked JP's twitter and he said he just landed at the Dallas airport so I assume its going to be a while?


I just asked Neal on Twitter, hopefully we'll get an answer. I'm wondering if i should stay up to watch the show live for once. 3 AM already. T_T


It's nice that I am not the only idiot staying up for this


Don't be so hard on yourself! Only thing that prevents me from staying up is that it makes me feel guilty and lazy, when i sleep during the day. LOL


That sounds exactly like me lol. Fuck it, now I am staying up
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 22 2013 00:30 GMT
#950
On April 22 2013 09:24 KadaverBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 09:24 Grettin wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:21 KadaverBB wrote:
On April 22 2013 09:20 Grettin wrote:
On April 22 2013 08:43 imJealous wrote:
Anyone know what time they are planning on starting tonight? just checked JP's twitter and he said he just landed at the Dallas airport so I assume its going to be a while?


I just asked Neal on Twitter, hopefully we'll get an answer. I'm wondering if i should stay up to watch the show live for once. 3 AM already. T_T


It's nice that I am not the only idiot staying up for this


Don't be so hard on yourself! Only thing that prevents me from staying up is that it makes me feel guilty and lazy, when i sleep during the day. LOL


That sounds exactly like me lol. Fuck it, now I am staying up


Yeap, fuck it! Makes me feel better when you know someone else is in the same situiaton. ;D

Anyway, Rollplay should start "soonish", according to Neal. Running little late apparently.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 00:43:10
April 22 2013 00:42 GMT
#951
Stream's live yo

http://www.twitch.tv/itmejp

- starting in couple of minutes -
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
April 22 2013 00:42 GMT
#952
Heh, you guys sound like me debating whether to stay up and watch GSL. Gonna try to run for food real quick before they start... wish me luck!
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2013 01:36 GMT
#953
holy fuck geoff kills 6 guys in one turn.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 22 2013 01:38 GMT
#954
On April 22 2013 10:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
holy fuck geoff kills 6 guys in one turn.


Yeap, Vincent's back. :D
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 01:44:43
April 22 2013 01:40 GMT
#955
On April 22 2013 10:38 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 10:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
holy fuck geoff kills 6 guys in one turn.


Yeap, Vincent's back. :D


this is crazier than the time he destroyed that ogre who just popped up and was like, "wtf hey guys, and I'm dead"
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 22 2013 01:43 GMT
#956
Pretty funny how i just today watched the first part of the Hobbit trilogy and there was this sword called goblin cleaver. Very fitting for Geoff.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Orcrist
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2013 01:44 GMT
#957
on the other hand JP's Spanish is so pro.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2013 01:52 GMT
#958
whos your daddy and what does he do?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 22 2013 01:54 GMT
#959
Boom, jackpot! Two chests and girl!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2013 01:55 GMT
#960
On April 22 2013 10:54 Grettin wrote:
Boom, jackpot! Two chests and girl!


2 chests and a pair of breasts.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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