Let's Shame some Dispraises: A Victoria II AAR

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 08 2013 02:10 GMT

1. For Daimyo and Tosa (here)
2. Your Golds, give them Tosa
3. Dutch Ado About Nothing
4. Korea me softly with his dong

Let's Shame some Dispraises: A Victoria II AAR

This is a Victoria II After Action Report. This means I was bored enough to type up a fictional dialog to me playing a Paradox Game. I highly recommend you play this and similar Paradox games, and then bash your head for not understanding how stupid difficult they are.

Victoria II is a game that puts you into a country's shoes during the period 1836-1936. Here, you will attempt to industrialize and/or civilize (if you are non-European or American). You also, more likely than not, paint the map your color by annexing and conquering territories that have good resources. Uncivilized nations tend to be at a huge disadvantage to civilized ones. The nation I am playing is Tosa, a substate (basically, vassal) of Shogunate Japan.

I am playing with a Mod-New Nations Mod. I also reserve the right to mod in things as I see fit. But it's funnier when people die terribly, so I won't mod in cheats.

1. For Daimyo and Tosa

Tosa Domain. On the poorest island of Japan, the Yamauchi clan has consolidated its control. But the resources of this land are few and its population even fewer. It will take great strength and resolve, as well as opportunism, to make something of this.

The tidings of the West approach our isle. We have already began to modernize our country, but not to the extent that our neighbors to the north and west have. Shimazu, the last holdouts against the Shogun, rule the island of Kyushu as Satsuma Domain. Choshu Domain, ruled by the Mori, also has been fairly modernized. We need to change quickly.

The Daimyo looks at his finances. The administration of the country is very expensive, and to maintain an army costs further. He decides to disband the army to save income. The Shogun can hardly blame him-it was the Shogun's fault for giving him this poor land in the first place.

The Daimyo decides to encourage the growth of Buddhism in the territory. It is hoped that the monks will teach more and more people to read and write, increasing Tosa's ability to modernize.

Due to his location, the Daimyo is able to take advantage of some tidings of the West. While official Japanese policy is to kill any foreigner that lands outside of the designated trading port, a ship may stop every now and then on its way to richer lands. The Daimyo does not mind this sort of exchange of ideas.

The thought in his mind is to overthrow the Shogun. The Shogun may rule, but he has grown decadent, much like the Ashikaga before them. Like the unifiers of Nobunaga and Hideyoshi, the Tokugawa must be taken down so a new rule can reinvigorate Japan. But for now that is but a dream.

Meanwhile, tidings are brought of a similar island, whom has coronated a queen. Perhaps the long-ignored Japanese royalty may be what we need to reinvigorate Japan.

Elsewhere, the lands of China and Korea are rich and valuable. Alas, the might of the Chinese Empire is great, and the Koreans are mere puppets of the Manchu Emperor. Perhaps if Tosa is to grow strong, the riches of China and Korea could go to our coffers.

A disease strikes the people of Tosa. God. Damn. It. That's 20% of my entire population. FFFUUUUU.

It appears that the Chinese are now at war with a great foreign power. This is an opportunity that should be watched closely. If only we Tosa were free to interact with the world as we see fit.

After a while, the Daimyo recognizes that the foreigners who call themselves "Resupanne" have been frequently stopping by. Friendly relations have developed with these sailors, and the occasional Spaniard on an errand turns heads amongst the people. The Spanish bring glass beads to try and extort more valuable resources, but the denizens of Tosa prefer the tortillas they have instead. Combining them with the Ocotopi found often in the waters brings about a new fusion dish, the Tako.

Suddenly, the Shogun gives the call to arms. An armada of strange ships arrived, demanding entrance to the harbor. While the Shogun refused (as he should) the foreigners did not concede-they declared war!

The strange land they come from, "Amerika," is incredibly far away. Or so the Spanish told the Daimyo. It is a land of infinite riches and strange ideas. Perhaps this could be a further avenue of expansion?

Meanwhile, nothing important happens.

After many months, the Daimyo hears vague news of foreign battles. But the call to arms is quietly dropped. Perhaps the Shogun has gone senile in his old age. What if the Mongols were to invade again?

The quiet dying down of the foreign enemy upsets the locals. The restless samurai have called to expel the foreigners and honor the emperor. But the Daimyo of Tosa is wise, and sees further than short-term bloodlust and xenophobia.

In Europe, Austria has apparently gotten its shit packed in by Prussia and now the Hungarians.

Suddenly, opportunity strikes. The Spanish make a most interesting proposal to the Daimyo. By offering to essentially join the Spanish Empire, the Spanish would be able to use their power to protect the Daimyo from Shogunate repercussions.

After consideration, the daimyo decides to take the envoy up with his offer. A few days go by while the Spanish engage the Shogun in talks. (Note: I have no idea what I'm doing here)

When the Spanish triumphantly return with news of success, the general populace rises up, furious that they were now under the rule of foreigners. The daimyo, having planned this from the start (not at all, actually), proceeds to blame the Spanish. The people of Tosa, fine patriots, proceed to chase all the Spanish out of Tosa. They are quickly put down by Shogunate forces.

Tosa will now be the one to forge its own destiny. (ah.)

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TOSA BANZAI!

EchOne

United States2906 Posts

February 08 2013 02:28 GMT

Something tells me you're winging it entirely. Excellent.

GLHF

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 08 2013 03:12 GMT

well that was underwhelming

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 08 2013 12:42 GMT

should probably add a poll

Poll: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Go invade some people, then we talk (15)

42%

Go unify Japan or something (10)

28%

Shouldn't this be a blog? (10)

28%

Can you change the title to something else? (1)

3%

36 total votes

Your vote: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

(Vote): Go invade some people, then we talk
(Vote): Go unify Japan or something
(Vote): Shouldn't this be a blog?
(Vote): Can you change the title to something else?

Psyonic_Reaver

United States4332 Posts

February 08 2013 14:43 GMT

Great battle report but you may want too be to blogs. I'll keep this thread subscribed, I want to see how you do.

Archas

United States6531 Posts

February 08 2013 15:00 GMT

not enough sanae

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 08 2013 15:16 GMT

On February 08 2013 23:43 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Great battle report but you may want too be to blogs. I'll keep this thread subscribed, I want to see how you do.

blogs won't work because i dont want to have to make a new blog every single time i update, that would be silly

sc4k

United Kingdom5454 Posts

February 08 2013 15:43 GMT

Suddenly, Spanish. That was unexpected.

icystorage

Jollibee19343 Posts

February 08 2013 15:50 GMT

Beautiful. Please continue!

Psyonic_Reaver

United States4332 Posts

February 08 2013 16:55 GMT

#10

So just make one blog and update it when you have something to add. TL mods can give you edit powers after the 6 month edit lock but its up to you. I think you'd get more readers. <3 ShotCaller

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 08 2013 16:58 GMT

#11

On February 09 2013 01:55 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
So just make one blog and update it when you have something to add. TL mods can give you edit powers after the 6 month edit lock but its up to you. I think you'd get more readers. <3 ShotCaller

I don't know about you, but I never read the blog section :|

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

February 08 2013 17:18 GMT

#12

TOSA TOSA TOSA

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 08 2013 22:43 GMT

#13

2.Your Golds, Give them Tosa

Tosa, a land free from both the Shogun and foreigners. A poor place, but what can be done? Steal other people's gold, of course. But that is dishonorable.

Yep, that's our castle.

Nevertheless, Tosa needs funds. An expedition is planned to secure territory. China and Korea, of course, are too strong for even the brave and disciplined samurai of Tosa. An easier target needs to be selected.

The vulnerable Johore sultanate lies to the south. It is a land of riches, according to the Dutch travelers that come from that direction. With the maps given to them by the European traders, a plan of attack is drafted, and transport ships are commissioned.

Unfortunately nobody wants to let me invade, or even want to sell boats to Tosa. If you notice, none of my boats are building (days waiting is still the same). This is one of the frustrating parts of Vicky-not being able to buy stuff you want when weak. ITS WOOD AND LINEN. SHIKOKU IS A FOREST ON AN ISLAND.

Fortunately, Tosa retains good ties with the Shogun, despite having declared independence (senile Shogun, indeed!). The Shogun gladly honors the call to arms, looking to distract the restless samurai from his failing regime. He can do so by sending them some 3000 miles away. On boats that won't be able to come back.

Within months, Johore surrenders, ceding a stretch of lightly populated but wealthy territory.

The golds from Johore, combined with the steady increase in foreign ideas and trade, is enough for the Daimyo to finish the boats and do a few other things.

First, he begins a program of industrialization. With this, Tosa is ready to take a step into the next age:

Nom, factories! Making... concrete.

Then, he brings in a foreign officer corps, to increase the efficiency of his general staff. Yet somehow now...

Civilization. Look at all the reforms that can be made!

Poo poo, the East is West!

The research system for a civilized power is pretty straight forward. You click on what you research, and depending on your literacy (left %), number of clergymen, and other buffs, you gain research points. These research points are used to complete research that give you HUGE benefits. Like this one. Which gives me more research points, so I can research while I research.

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This is Tosa dog. He really likes research.

What's this? It appears the Ainu have managed to throw off the weakened shackles of the Shogun. This is unacceptable!

Ezo is Japanese! Give us back our cla~

Well, fuck you world, I'll have my own concert of Europe. With hanafuda. And geishas!

LIBRALS

DEMOCRATS! FUUUUUU

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The whole point of the revolutions event chain is to simulate the revolutions of 1848. Unfortunately, it only happens to civilized nations, and right now its the mid 1850s. So I expect the revolution to end any day now.

In the meantime, though, I have to deal with my population turning liberal, which is bad, because they don't want to fight or let the government build factories. Basically it means I can't do anything, which is boring. It also means I may have to give them the right to vote in the future. Which also sucks, unless you happen to be in the Americas. Also, they have increased militancy, which makes them more likely to revolt, and makes the revolt larger. These are bad things.

Some twirly guy with a mustache is declaring himself an Emperor? There is only one true Emperor.

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Despite the world being very angry about it, and sending us a letter stating just how angry they are, we are now ready to ~~brutally subjugate~~ reclaim the island of Ezo.

Unfortunately for the rest of the world, they don't have any way to stop us. For Aizu has a special condition, one I like to call Hasnoarmy.

Needless to say everything proceeds as planned.

Apparently, watching another people get brutally subjugated is enough to distract the common people from their own subjugation. This is something that hopefully won't be happening years from now.

The Daimyo sees an opportunity to expand his reach in South-Eastern Asia. By invading the Sultanate of Aceh, it provides a valuable way to control naval traffic in the area, forming a chokepoint of sorts to block European powers from interfering in Tosa spheres of influence. Not that we have one at the moment. At least we're civilized!

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the recently ~~crushed~~ reintegrated province of Ezo. But they do see ome sense in pre-emptively striking an uncivilized nation Emperor knows how far away from Tosa before they can get us.

After preparations are ready, the Daimyo sends the Army of Tosa down to Indonesia, in a fleet waiting right outside the Aceh capital. A rock was thrown, and then shots were fired, with both sides claiming that the other instigated the issue. Either way, the rock throwing was clearly a good enough premise to annex their entire country.

The first actual battle fought by Tosa forces was a resounding success. The Aceh army consisted mostly of levied peasants, armed with matchlock guns imported from the Ottoman Empire. There were also groups of swordsmen, whom intended to take advantage of the first volley to charge in at the outnumbered Japanese force.

Unfortunately for them, not only were the Japanese better at swordfighting, they were also better at shooting. They also were using Western flintlock guns, which, while not being state of the art, were enough to overwhelm the Aceh forces completely. After three rapid volleys that decimated the Aceh army, a spontaneous banzai charge that could have been completely shattered by a competent foe slammed into the opposing lines, completely routing them. This battle essentially decided the war, with the remaining troops being hunted down as they fled. The Daimyo was concerned about the low discipline of his troops but was content to first consolidate gains before improving the troops.

He was so concerned about this he totally neglected about a HUGE opportunity in China-namely, a man claiming to be the brother of Jesus Christ-the head of the "Kurisu-chan" religion, or so the Daimyo was told-had started a massive rebellion against the Manchu emperor. While the Manchu were clearly winning, the Daimyo realized he missed a chance to gain a valuable piece of Chinese territory. Oh well, China will have to wait.

Finally, victory. Now the Daimyo intended to take a rest, for the world was getting weary of this strange Japanese power that had suddenly become better known than Portugal. With the resources from Aceh, the Daimyo intended to create a powerbase strong enough to throw off the chains of the Shogun on not just himself, but on the rest of Japan. He estimated it would be ten years, ten years of preparation to remove the Shogun. But first peace, peace and consolidation, a chance to breathe...

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 08 2013 23:47 GMT

#14

oh right a poll

Poll: Who is the one true Emperor?

HERESY (15)

56%

Palpatine (6)

22%

Napoleon Bonaparte (3)

11%

Komei (3)

11%

27 total votes

Your vote: Who is the one true Emperor?

(Vote): Napoleon Bonaparte
(Vote): Palpatine
(Vote): Komei
(Vote): HERESY

sc4k

United Kingdom5454 Posts

February 09 2013 00:46 GMT

#15

You have convinced me to actually bother playing this game. Bought it a long time ago. Thanks Caller...

icystorage

Jollibee19343 Posts

February 09 2013 01:23 GMT

#16

Grats on the battle!

can't wait for the next installment

rwrzr

United States1980 Posts

February 09 2013 02:12 GMT

#17

mordehuehue

Lysteria

France2279 Posts

February 09 2013 13:49 GMT

#18

Ah hah that's a fun AAR indeed. :p

Which mods are you using, and are you playing with the Victoria II's add-on ?
edit : I mean, the others than the New Nations' one.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 09 2013 15:35 GMT

#19

On February 09 2013 22:49 Lysteria wrote:
Ah hah that's a fun AAR indeed. :p

Which mods are you using, and are you playing with the Victoria II's add-on ?
edit : I mean, the others than the New Nations' one.

I'm playin with AHD , yes. This is the only mod I am using in this aar. I will have to mod in some things, however.

Archas

United States6531 Posts

February 09 2013 15:39 GMT

#20

Putting aside my previous troll response, this is a highly entertaining read. Please continue when you can.

marconi

Croatia220 Posts

February 09 2013 17:45 GMT

#21

haha good read I actually enjoyed it cuz I'm a fan of Paradox games. Some of my best gamer memories come from Europa Universalis :D

Lysteria

France2279 Posts

February 09 2013 17:45 GMT

#22

On February 10 2013 00:35 Caller wrote:
I'm playin with AHD , yes. This is the only mod I am using in this aar. I will have to mod in some things, however.

Oh okay. I haven't tried New Nations yet for this game, as I did for EU/HoI games.
I should give it a try, but when it comes to AAR, I would prefer to go for a HoI game most of the times (Kaiserreich, Black Ice). :p

exotarih

11 Posts

February 09 2013 20:04 GMT

#23

Awesome AAR! I've been playing an awful lot of CKII lately but, also thanks to you, recently came back to Vicky. However, I still have to try my hand at one of the smaller civilisations. Any recommendations what's smaller than the usual suspects but still playable (I probably would fail at something as small as, for example, the mighty Tosa)?

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

February 09 2013 20:27 GMT

#24

TOSA TOSA TOSA
EMPEROR EMPEROR EMPEROR
TOSA TOSA TOSA
Crush yellow-liberal scum!

Lysteria

France2279 Posts

February 11 2013 00:24 GMT

#25

Which version of New Nations are you playing ? I downloaded the one who seemed to be the latest, but I don't have as much countries as you do - just looking as Japan and China, none of them are splitted.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 11 2013 13:14 GMT

#26

...they should be split regardless of version

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 12 2013 02:30 GMT

#27

Dutch Ado About Nothing

The Shogun cowardly refuses to call to arms. SHOGUN WE WILL GET YOU. RETURN TO YOUR PRECIOUS OSAKA.

Clearly, the Dutch got pissed that we had kicked out their traders during the expulsion of the Spanish (not my fault that we can't tell the difference). They demanded the territory of Aceh that ~~we took over~~ has always been Japanese territory.
Of course, the Daimyo is hardly one to give into a bunch of people that live underwater, both financially and literally.

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The Dutch appeared to outnumber the Tosa forces by 3 times. But the Daimyo knew that every man of Tosa was worth 5 Dutchmen. Also, most of the Dutch army would remain in Dutchland. But still! That means we outnumber them!

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A probing attack by the main Tosa army is sent to occupy defensive positions in Aceh, as the Daimyo believed that the Dutch forces were mostly in their home, leaving the West Indies undefended. Of course that was wrong. The Dutch East Indian Company's private army attacked the Tosa troops before they could dig in properly.

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FUCKING DICE CHEATING AI SONS OF BITCHES

The battle was a defeat, but not the decisive one that the Dutch wanted. Tosa troops simply had no experience against accurate artillery fire. While the discipline of Tosa served to route the infantry, it was impossible for them to deal with cavalry AND artillery at the same time.

After giving it as good as they got, a retreat was ordered to Aceh.

Another defeat-this time, however, the Dutch failed to pursue the men of Tosa, believing them defeated. This will be a fatal mistake!

To deal with the Dutch forces, the call to arms is raised in Tosa itself. A group of farmers is hastily readied for combat and shipped down to the Aceh territories, while the main army attempts to occupy the province of Siak.

The combined forces ambush a brigade of Dutch reinforcements. Hopefully they can do so before the main army finishes its siege of Sibolga.

Alas, the Dutch were able to reinforce, and a retreat was ordered, first to Medan, and then after to Sibolga.

The Dutch leisurely lay siege to Medan, confident in their superiority. This hubris gave the Tosan forces a much needed chance to dig in and reinforce in a mountainous area-one where the Dutch cavalry would be in a huge disadvantage.

Already writing his victory speech, the commander of the Dutch army ordered a full on attack on Sibolga, to "finish off" the men of Tosa. Walking right into a massed infantry volley that nearly took out two entire regiments of infantry and decimating the cavalry unit.

In a stunning victory, the first of its kind, an Asian army has decisively broken a European one. The Tosa main army, having learned their lesson from the previous battle, used their sheer numbers to outflank the Dutch infantry line. One regiment of Tosa troops charged at the artillery formations while the rest opened up on the main Dutch line. The artillery were forced to redeploy, and the cavalry to intercept the furious banzai charge, while the infantry soon disintigrated under overwhelming firepower. With the rout of the infantry, the rest of the army panicked, desperately seeking to evade their pursuers. (obviously had nothing to do with dice gods smiling on me this time)

HUNT THEM DOWN!

RIKE DOGS! The Dutch colonies are ripe for the taking!

Alas, that was not the end. The Dutch managed to cheat their way into having unlimited naval attrition (stupid ai), landing a force of Dutch troops on Shikoku itself! This unholy sight must be destroyed!

However, Tosa's armies were all in the Indies. None were available to defend the homeland. Also, I somehow lost my boats when I wasn't paying attention. Therefore, in a rather cheap move, the Daimyo disbands the forces of the farmers, allowing them to take private transports back to Shikoku.

They are then instantly reassembled for a mighty attack on the Dutch army.

The Dutch force is annihilated, their bodies left to fed the carrion birds that don't actually live on Shikoku. Or do they?

The remaining Dutch surrender, expecting mercy. The Daimyo keeps them alive to use them as leverage against the Dutch. Surrender is not dishonorable, so long as we are not doing the surrendering.

After all, in a matter of months, most of the Dutch colonies were in Tosa hands.

The Daimyo uses this victory as a pretense to attempt to seize some Dutch colonial land for himself. Alas, this will come to naught-but it stirs up the people of Tosa to victory.

Treachery! While the Daimyo was intending to redeploy his army in Shikoku, a Dutch marine unit landed, ambushing his forces. They took advantage of Shikoku's terrain and were dug-in, inflicting heavy casualties. This had nothing to do with the fact that the farmers were exhausted from travelling 3000 miles.

Not to be deterred by this defeat, the Daimyo conscripted more peasants and threw them again into the Dutch. They must not be allowed to regain strength!

Another defeat. SHAMEFUL DISPLAY!

In one last, Herculean effort, the Daimyo personally grabs his closest retainers and their families, and launches one more attack, alas not in time to relieve the defenders.

This time, he caught the Dutch looting the castle. The Dutch were completely surprised by the tenacity of Tosa's sons. FOR THE DAIMIAH! Yet despite occupying most of the Dutch West Indies, Dutch blockades were brutally crushing the economy of Tosa. The Daimyo was unable to get the world to recognize claims on Dutch East Indies territory.

~~DEMOCRATS~~

A few rogue samurai, merchants, and peasants gathered to discuss issues they had with the current system of rule. They envisioned a future where all people would be treated equally and rather than warmongering would devote resources to bolster the growth of the common man. They viewed the current system as exploiting the common worker. This "Circle of Nine," or "maru-ku," published a book on this, which is known popularly today as "maru-ku-su" or "The Book of the Circle of 9."

After a few more brief skirmishes, the Dutch agree to a white peace. They have been humiliated, and Tosa's status once again rises in the world. For the first time, a Western nation had been forced back by one saw by a "lesser people." The men of Tosa have proven that laughable assumption wrong.

icystorage

Jollibee19343 Posts

February 12 2013 02:45 GMT

#28

TOSA BANZAI!

lol at the last picture.
the read was very entertaining

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

February 12 2013 02:57 GMT

#29

I love well-done AAR's for paradox games.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 12 2013 03:30 GMT

#30

On February 12 2013 11:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I love well-done AAR's for paradox games.

i see what you did there

decemberscalm

United States1353 Posts

February 12 2013 04:19 GMT

#31

Watching. Quite entertained. I love me some amusing AARs.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 12 2013 12:58 GMT

#32

Poll: What have the Dutch done to you?

was in the way to France (4)

50%

Gotten my country into a trade dispute (4)

50%

Imperialized my country (0)

0%

8 total votes

Your vote: What have the Dutch done to you?

(Vote): Imperialized my country
(Vote): Gotten my country into a trade dispute
(Vote): was in the way to France

oh right, poll

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

February 12 2013 13:44 GMT

#33

TOSA TOSA TOSA
You need to free Poland! Poland can into space!

icystorage

Jollibee19343 Posts

February 12 2013 13:56 GMT

#34

my country has no ill-will to the dutch

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 12 2013 14:41 GMT

#35

On February 12 2013 22:56 icystorage wrote:
my country has no ill-will to the dutch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_Dutch_threat_in_the_Philippines

history begs to differ

icystorage

Jollibee19343 Posts

February 12 2013 14:49 GMT

#36

...that year the Dutch promised the natives of Mindanao that they would return in 1649 with aid in support of a revolt against the Spanish. Several revolts did break out, the most serious being in the village of Lindáo. There most of the Spaniards were killed, and the survivors were forced to flee in a small river boat to Butuán. However, Dutch aid did not materialize.

those bastards.
Gotten my country into a ~~trade~~ dispute!

TOCHMY

Sweden1692 Posts

February 12 2013 15:12 GMT

#37

I'm impressed how good you are at this game, given the circumstances.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 12 2013 15:14 GMT

#38

On February 13 2013 00:12 TOCHMY wrote:
I'm impressed how good you are at this game, given the circumstances.

ha! good one!

Lysteria

France2279 Posts

February 12 2013 17:13 GMT

#39

On February 13 2013 00:12 TOCHMY wrote:
I'm impressed how good you are at this game, given the circumstances.

Victoria II isn't that hard actually. :p
But yeah, Caller is playing like a boss, and shows how to deal with those pesky europeans.
Tosa world conquest !

fishbowl

United States1575 Posts

February 12 2013 22:11 GMT

#40

On February 13 2013 02:13 Lysteria wrote:

Show nested quote +

Victoria II isn't that hard actually. :p
But yeah, Caller is playing like a boss, and shows how to deal with those pesky europeans.
Tosa world conquest !

Haven't played this game before, but this has peaked my interest in it. Is Victoria II hard to pick up if you've never played Paradox's strategy games before?

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

February 12 2013 22:17 GMT

#41

On February 13 2013 07:11 fishbowl wrote:

Show nested quote +

Haven't played this game before, but this has peaked my interest in it. Is Victoria II hard to pick up if you've never played Paradox's strategy games before?

Probably the hardest given that not every nation is quite playable, the economy system and great wars. Start with Europa Universalis III or Crusader Kings II if you wish to grab Grand Strategy.

Lysteria

France2279 Posts

February 12 2013 23:01 GMT

#42

On February 13 2013 07:17 Kurumi wrote:
Probably the hardest given that not every nation is quite playable, the economy system and great wars. Start with Europa Universalis III or Crusader Kings II if you wish to grab Grand Strategy.

It's one of the easiest when it comes to strategy and wars, but you have so much more to do than it I would recommend Europa Universalis too.

LaNague

Germany9118 Posts

February 12 2013 23:09 GMT

#43

On February 13 2013 07:11 fishbowl wrote:

Show nested quote +

Haven't played this game before, but this has peaked my interest in it. Is Victoria II hard to pick up if you've never played Paradox's strategy games before?

1. dont say "peaked my interest"
2. Try EU3, CK2 is also nice, but its more about your dynastie and interaction with people, so its quite different from playing a country.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 13 2013 17:14 GMT

#44

will try to update tonight, but quick poll:

Poll: Where do we want to end up?

pearl harbor like its 1899 (7)

44%

a giant, drawn out campaign to utterly destroy the dutch (3)

19%

creation of a greater east asian coprosperity sphere (3)

19%

other(post) (2)

13%

let caller mod and pervert the game into becoming a warhammer40k ripoff (1)

6%

16 total votes

Your vote: Where do we want to end up?

(Vote): a giant, drawn out campaign to utterly destroy the dutch
(Vote): creation of a greater east asian coprosperity sphere
(Vote): pearl harbor like its 1899
(Vote): let caller mod and pervert the game into becoming a warhammer40k ripoff
(Vote): other(post)

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

February 13 2013 17:16 GMT

#45

FREE POLAND

Lysteria

France2279 Posts

February 13 2013 17:18 GMT

#46

Pearl Harbor the shit out of any island in the Pacifica !

Eben

United States769 Posts

February 15 2013 00:58 GMT

#47

More updates!

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

February 15 2013 01:18 GMT

#48

4. Korea me softly with his dong

Tosa: A land where we fear no foreigner. Where a highwayman and a constable will band together to kill foreigners that happen to end up on our island.

Sumeragi strong.

Fucking fevers, how do they work?

Oh no! It appears that the Koreans have thrown off the shackles of the Chinese, forfeiting their right to protection. The Daimyo can see it now-the waves of foreigners that slowly overwhelm the Koreans, teaching them things like democracy and liberalism and micromanagement!

Tosa will not stand for these foreign incursions. Tosa will do what China could not, and take Korea under her wing.

Meanwhile, people are fighting over the right to oppress each other.

The time is now! To do what Hideyoshi could not!

REMOVE KIMCHI FROM THE PREMISES

Rather than invade from the South, like Hideyoshi did, the Daimyo of Tosa proposes a novel tactic. By launching an amphibious invasion at Incheon, it will be possible to bisect Korea, denying both halves the support of the other. He is confident that nobody else will ever come up with this idea ever, such is the genius.

Indeed, a great victory against the Korean ~~army~~ REBELS.

The remaining resistance is routed in Seoul.

Meanwhile, Yurop.

Evidently, the foreigners, having desired to conquer Korea, do not approve of the Tosa intervention.

A rebel uprising is crushed, despite somehow taking less casualties. The Daimyo makes a note to perform more military research in case the Dutch attack again.

It is decided to take the island of Jeju as a naval base, to guard against a potential Chinese threat. This may also involve taking the southern provinces, but only as a buffer zone! Nothing to do with the delicious resources they have!

Finally, the Koreans agree to be protected by Tosa. The Daimyo gracefully accepts stewardship of the Korean border provinces, while granting the usual autonomy to the middle provinces. Has nothing to do with infamy. Nope.

Holy crap, look at the money!

Seriously, my income has just increased by a factor of 8. This protection shit is pretty profitable.

The Daimyo is caught with a geisha. Despite the fact that this is common practice and that Kurisu-chan religion has not spread on Japan, apparently this pisses off the people that don't have enough money to afford one.

The Koreans learn fast. Already they are kicking out all the foreigners.

The Daimyo is caught with a foreign woman. She must've been on the island when typhoid struck earlier, otherwise known as yellow fever.

Ha! Fighting the UK! Good one!

The Daimyo finds it odd that he somehow had a colonial issue with a strange nation that he has never heard of. A nation where instead of eating rice and fish, they eat skewered meat on a stick. The Daimyo is not sure why anyone would want to eat that, and resolves to get rid of it as soon as possible.

YEAH, BRING IT YOU DUTCH PANS~

Well fuck. 47 regiments. I didn't even know there were that many people in the Dutch lands. Well...even with our 5:1 advantage, this puts us in some deep shit. But most of the regiments are probably still in their homeland.

Oh.

The Daimyo tries to intimidate the Dutch by demanding some of their territory. It doesn't work.

THIS IS BUT A TEMPORARY SETBACK. DUTCH WE WILL GET YOU. YOU HAVE ONE CHANCE TO GIVE US BACK THE CLAY.

Alternatively...

WELL FINE, WE DIDN'T EVEN WANT THAT TERRITORY ANYWAYS!

Poll: Boshin War?

FOR THE EMPRAH! (12)

67%

DEATH TO THE SERVANTS OF THE CORPSE GOD! (6)

33%

18 total votes

Your vote: Boshin War?

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