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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
Poll: Steelrs(11-5) vs Colts (14-2) (Vote): Steelers (Vote): Colts Poll: Pats(10-6) vs Broncos(13-3) (Vote): Pats (Vote): Broncos Poll: Panthers(11-5) vs Bears(11-5) (Vote): Panthers (Vote): Bears Poll: Redskins (10-6) vs Seahawks (13-3) (Vote): Redskins (Vote): Seahawks | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
Broncos - Pats is, to me, the most interesting matchup of the week. I honestly believe that Denver will win this one, though. They'll be the first team to ever beat Bellicheck twice in one season. Hell, they've beaten them more than once since Bellicheck took over, even though it wasn't the same season, and hardly any team has done that. Seahawks SHOULD win the Skins game, even though the Skins do have a shot. They'll need a lot more offense to win that one, though. They won't be so lucky the next game. Honestly, there's no way a team with 124 yards should win a game, no way. They won't force the same sort of turnovers against the Seahawks, so they'll absolutely need more offense. Steelers - Colts is also an interesting matchup. The Colts flat out dominated the Steelers the first game, but the Steelers have been playing a lot better defense over the past five or so weeks than they were that game. This should be really interesting to see, but I doubt very highly that Manning and Co will lose this game. Colts for the win here. | ||
GTR
51449 Posts
colts > steelers pats > broncos seahawks > steelers carolina > bears by the way who are the wild cards or whatever? | ||
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Pacifist
Israel1683 Posts
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Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
btw colts rule ALL | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
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Hot_Bid
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
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CCHS
United States614 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 09 2006 08:57 CCHS wrote: i believe denver will win vs new england because denver is at home and playing at the mile high stadium is very tough because of the altitude Yeah it is. I'm picking Denver to take this game, too. I was 2-2 last week, missed both NFC games. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
pats > broncos seahawks > skins carolina < bears | ||
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pdk001
Korea (South)922 Posts
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Pumpkin
United States1141 Posts
Broncos > Patriots Seahawks > Redskins Bears > Panthers I'll put my money on the Bears winning the whole thing. I like seeing the teams with the least amount of hype/coverage, i.e Bears, smashing teams that have been hyped all year long. As for the superbowl; Bears over Colts, 17-14. | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
i contend the steelers can win this but i don't think they will broncos > patriots get off the pat's dicks please seahawks > redskins ya bears = panthers i voted panthers because of their playoff win but don't really know | ||
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HyunG
Korea (South)205 Posts
broncos bears seahawks Though i think redskins have a real good shot at beating the seahawks. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On January 10 2006 23:48 Pumpkin wrote: Colts > Steelers Broncos > Patriots Seahawks > Redskins Bears > Panthers I'll put my money on the Bears winning the whole thing. I like seeing the teams with the least amount of hype/coverage, i.e Bears, smashing teams that have been hyped all year long. As for the superbowl; Bears over Colts, 17-14. The bears can score 17 in a game? | ||
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HorsementalitY
United States1159 Posts
Patriots will win cuz they know how to win. And they are the only team standing in the colts way. I live in New England and i hate the Pats but they have been playin like defending champs for like 5 weeks now. Redskins will upset the Seahawks Panthers over the bears cuz bears don't know what to do when they are on offense | ||
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HorsementalitY
United States1159 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13006 Posts
Colts Pats Bear Hawks I'll got Pats vs Colts Superbowl. Would be a great game. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
Sure why not, they averaged 16.3 during the regular season. of course, that number is skewed because of the 38 point game against detroit.... | ||
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mmm.beer
Canada412 Posts
On January 11 2006 06:59 RowdierBob wrote: I'll got Pats vs Colts Superbowl. Would be a great game. If you can show me how the Pats can play the Colts in the superbowl I would be impressed. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On January 11 2006 06:59 RowdierBob wrote: Brady has a scary playoff record. Colts Pats Bear Hawks I'll got Pats vs Colts Superbowl. Would be a great game. colts and pats are in the same conference, they can't play each other in the superbowl | ||
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United States7081 Posts
On January 11 2006 06:59 RowdierBob wrote: Brady has a scary playoff record. Colts Pats Bear Hawks I'll got Pats vs Colts Superbowl. Would be a great game.  As everybody else said, that's sort of, kind of, partly, perhaps COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE. Don't you remember last year? Who did the colts lose too? Who played in the superbowl? | ||
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Stat.Quo
Canada540 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
On January 11 2006 10:59 Stat.Quo wrote: atlanta hawks suck!!!!! wrong sport hoss but the atlanta hawks DO suck. not drafting christ paul was such a huge mistake | ||
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SoLaR[i.C]
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Forgottenfrog
United States1268 Posts
On January 09 2006 08:45 pooper-scooper wrote: I am a HUGE steelers fan. But even I had to vote for the Colts, they will pwn us. than you're not much of a steeler fan-- you guys overrate the colts, they're not god. steelers has a good chance of winning, have you guys seen them lately? | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
On January 11 2006 12:02 Forgottenfrog wrote: than you're not much of a steeler fan-- you guys overrate the colts, they're not god. steelers has a good chance of winning, have you guys seen them lately? the colts ARE god the steelers can choose to be god but usually don't | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On January 11 2006 12:02 Forgottenfrog wrote: than you're not much of a steeler fan-- you guys overrate the colts, they're not god. steelers has a good chance of winning, have you guys seen them lately? if palmer was in the steelers would be out. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
pittsburgh has very small chance, their d isnt good enough to hold manning and their O can't play from behind | ||
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
Have faith in the steelers...they deserve it after last year's game with the patriots ;( | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
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tiffany
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
Colts Broncos Bears Seahawks | ||
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
On January 11 2006 13:32 KOFgokuon wrote: was that a joke? because they definitely lost that game Perhaps I should rephrase that, PATRIOTS DO NOT DESERVE TO WIN! | ||
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Tossim1
714 Posts
SKINS > ALL | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
I mean, if you aren't going to pay attention to football at all, please stop posting about it. With Rex in they average over that amount. In fact, they average about that for the whole year (mostly because of the two blowout wins over the Lions and Vikings). On January 11 2006 06:59 RowdierBob wrote: Brady has a scary playoff record. Colts Pats Bear Hawks I'll got Pats vs Colts Superbowl. Would be a great game. Everyone beat me to it already, but... too bad it's impossible. On January 11 2006 13:21 Hot_Bid wrote: the bengals could've legitimately beaten the colts at indy. a crazy shootout can go either way with a turnover here or there pittsburgh has very small chance, their d isnt good enough to hold manning and their O can't play from behind They did last week, though. I agree though, I don't think the Steelers can beat the Colts. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
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Romanticide
United States87 Posts
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On January 11 2006 16:13 Romanticide wrote: broncos are gonna win vs the pats.........people are underestimating the broncos vs the 'superbowl winning greats' that are the patriots. Yet the broncos won just like the patriots did a couple years ago? with elway yes...but plummer is dam good and the broncos dont need to rely on just elway to win this time. The broncos owned the regular season and they will own the playoffs that was a different broncos team. this is the same pats team. not that i think the pats are going to win, but there's sound logic behind it. | ||
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
as for steelers vs colts... im not saying anything on this game because a steeler might crush peytons legs or arm  haha and then they are doomed I say DOOMED!panthers > bears Skins > hawks thats 2 upsets right there im 3-1 in my predictions so far.... Broncos over Pats Indy over steelers _________ Panthers over skins Broncos over Indy - third times a charm baby Broncos vs Panthers with broncos winning now I personally hope that skins lose... and seahawks crush the panthers and face the broncos in the bowl.... but personally Skins have played tougher teams and won... while keeping close games against better teams.. such as the broncos.. where they lost because gold stuck his hand up  the hawks have played second and even third tier teams at home... I mean common... lets be serious there defense is not the caliber everyone says it is....in order of defenses in the playoffs now Bears Panthers Steelers broncos Skins Pats Indy and finally hawks indy has very small players but lets face it no depth... no depth at all and their starters wouldn't even start on other teams... don't give me this crap about dungys perfect game plan.... their defense relies on its speed.... and any good offensive line will stop them dead this is why the broncos will have no trouble with their defense.... this is why the Bengals allowed no sacks on palmer in that game... vs indy and don't get me started on their offensive line... the steelers will beat the shit out of indys line and keep peyton on the move... which he isnt to accurate then but I think he'll get the job done while abusing the no huddle I doubt the steelers will come out with a 3-4 set tho :\ we'll see | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 11 2006 16:42 Chris.K wrote: indy has very small players but lets face it no depth... no depth at all and their starters wouldn't even start on other teams... don't give me this crap about dungys perfect game plan.... their defense relies on its speed.... and any good offensive line will stop them dead this is why the broncos will have no trouble with their defense.... this is why the Bengals allowed no sacks on palmer in that game... vs indy and don't get me started on their offensive line... the steelers will beat the shit out of indys line and keep peyton on the move... which he isnt to accurate then but I think he'll get the job done while abusing the no huddle I doubt the steelers will come out with a 3-4 set tho :\ we'll seeThe D line of Pitt couldn't get to him for the last game, they won't this game, either. They're simply not good enough to beat the Colts O Line, which is probably the best in all of football right now. The Colts D line is another story. The speed is exactly what makes them hard to stop. Good D-lines DO stop them, but it's hard to stop them all the time. Also, Freeney and Mathis would absolutely be starters on another team. | ||
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
On January 11 2006 17:27 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: The D line of Pitt couldn't get to him for the last game, they won't this game, either. They're simply not good enough to beat the Colts O Line, which is probably the best in all of football right now. The Colts D line is another story. The speed is exactly what makes them hard to stop. Good D-lines DO stop them, but it's hard to stop them all the time. Also, Freeney and Mathis would absolutely be starters on another team. Ready.... The point of the defense is not always to get to the quarterback if you watch the film Manning never got a footing he was always on the move he was pressured... which made him actually make some mistakes... granted the steelers lost... but lets blame that on Ben... lets look at another example to prove this.. The broncos arguably the best defensive line rotation in the league.... how many sacks did they get... the browns linemen averaged ten I believe pryce got 4..? but still they put pressure on and force other teams into mistakes... its not about the numbers Second... mathis would not start on another team... why? because he doesn't start for the colts he plays only on certain downs because he isn't made for playing a defensive game.. they rotate him in... having him play a full game just once and you'll see that hes overrated.. Freeney on the other hand is a godsend... very good player but he is the line... you shut him down you stop the pash rush.... which to be honest i haven't seen much of the steelers O line so I can't tell you... but again im calling denver over the pats and I'll tell you they will hold freeney back.. with tom nalen leading the core you can never go wrong also the defensive line has to work much harder that the offensive line... taking a player and pushing him back while trying to run at the quarterback is much much harder that standing your ground trying to keep someone from getting you... (not harder may have been the wrong wording but it takes less energy we'll say that) if you've ever played on an offensive line + defensive line you'll know this to be true..... and I'll say it again the colts defense can not last halfway threw the third quarter and by the fourth quarter against a nice line... there will be almost 0 sacks... I believe if you want to play the numbers game statistically 85%+ of their sacks have game halfway threw the third quarter or before.... im skipping ahead and looking at the denver indy matchup now.... Denver all season has put points up early and rode it out for wins... (thus the den vs pats game where denver threw 28 points up while the pats had 0... granted they started to make a comeback but it was physically impossible against denvers defensive style.) so how do I see this happening.... Indy has rarely been in third down situations which.... will happen against denver... and hell maybe even pittsburgh.... so you'll see the defensive coordinators whip out their trick plays on third and long that manning probably won't be able to read he'll throw some balls and nail them but the one time he doesn't denver will score. Indy can not and will not stop a powerful run attack. blah I skip around to much and focus on too many games... plus my writing overall sucks.... I had my first class of composition today in college so we'll see if it improves but I'm sure you get the point. | ||
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
On January 11 2006 16:41 choboPEon wrote: that was a different broncos team. this is the same pats team. not that i think the pats are going to win, but there's sound logic behind it. also lets not forget a 4-0 preseason... so going back from there.. I believe the broncos have the best record.... don't give me crap about the preseason not counting its more proof to show whos rookies are better and obviously tada :D (pssttt we all know the colts have no depth) | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 11 2006 19:36 Chris.K wrote: Ready.... The point of the defense is not always to get to the quarterback if you watch the film Manning never got a footing he was always on the move he was pressured... which made him actually make some mistakes... granted the steelers lost... but lets blame that on Ben... lets look at another example to prove this.. The broncos arguably the best defensive line rotation in the league.... how many sacks did they get... the browns linemen averaged ten I believe pryce got 4..? but still they put pressure on and force other teams into mistakes... its not about the numbers Second... mathis would not start on another team... why? because he doesn't start for the colts he plays only on certain downs because he isn't made for playing a defensive game.. they rotate him in... having him play a full game just once and you'll see that hes overrated.. Freeney on the other hand is a godsend... very good player but he is the line... you shut him down you stop the pash rush.... which to be honest i haven't seen much of the steelers O line so I can't tell you... but again im calling denver over the pats and I'll tell you they will hold freeney back.. with tom nalen leading the core you can never go wrong also the defensive line has to work much harder that the offensive line... taking a player and pushing him back while trying to run at the quarterback is much much harder that standing your ground trying to keep someone from getting you... (not harder may have been the wrong wording but it takes less energy we'll say that) if you've ever played on an offensive line + defensive line you'll know this to be true..... and I'll say it again the colts defense can not last halfway threw the third quarter and by the fourth quarter against a nice line... there will be almost 0 sacks... I believe if you want to play the numbers game statistically 85%+ of their sacks have game halfway threw the third quarter or before.... im skipping ahead and looking at the denver indy matchup now.... Denver all season has put points up early and rode it out for wins... (thus the den vs pats game where denver threw 28 points up while the pats had 0... granted they started to make a comeback but it was physically impossible against denvers defensive style.) so how do I see this happening.... Indy has rarely been in third down situations which.... will happen against denver... and hell maybe even pittsburgh.... so you'll see the defensive coordinators whip out their trick plays on third and long that manning probably won't be able to read he'll throw some balls and nail them but the one time he doesn't denver will score. Indy can not and will not stop a powerful run attack. blah I skip around to much and focus on too many games... plus my writing overall sucks.... I had my first class of composition today in college so we'll see if it improves but I'm sure you get the point. Well, I was going to reply to this, but then I hit the back button by mistake on my mouse, and deleted what I wrote! FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC! I hate when that happens. I know what the D-line is supposed to do, there's no need for me to ready myself for anything. I'll just go with the main points: Broncos will win this week, they have the best MU against the Colts. Last game against the Steelers Manning was 15-25 for 245 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT, 2 Sacks, 80 yd LNG, with a 102.9 rating. In general, Manning has happy feet. He never stands still in the pocket, but it works out alright for him. There's almost no defense he can't read, so they'll be hard pressed to find one. The Steelers will not force them into many 3rd and long situations. The Broncos may, but the Steelers won't. It'll be somewhat similar to their last meeting, Indy takes this one easily. | ||
mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
2. Seahawks have too much momentum to lose to the worn out Redskins. 3. Carolina over the Bears in a tight, defensive brawl. Why? Because Carolina has the experience and the talent. And Grossman's way too green behind the ears to lead his team deep into the playoffs. Yeah, I know, that's what they said about Dilfer and Brady, but crap, the Ravens back then were one of the greatest defensive teams ever to play the game and as for Brady, well, ditto - minus the word "defensive". 4. Broncos v. Pats = best match of the week. Very close to call, but give the Broncos the picometer edge because of home field. This one's going to be a back and forth chess match. Definitely not for the faint of heart. (A part of me would still like the Pats to win this one - just to see a Colts - Pats rematch in the Conference finals. Oh what a match for the ages that would be.) | ||
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Freezer_au
Australia1461 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 11 2006 23:16 mensrea wrote: 1. Barring a major mishap (like someone "accidentally" decapitating Manning on his very first offensive play), the Colts should manhandle the Steelers with relative ease. 2. Seahawks have too much momentum to lose to the worn out Redskins. 3. Carolina over the Bears in a tight, defensive brawl. Why? Because Carolina has the experience and the talent. And Grossman's way too green behind the ears to lead his team deep into the playoffs. Yeah, I know, that's what they said about Dilfer and Brady, but crap, the Ravens back then were one of the greatest defensive teams ever to play the game and as for Brady, well, ditto - minus the word "defensive". 4. Broncos v. Pats = best match of the week. Very close to call, but give the Broncos the picometer edge because of home field. This one's going to be a back and forth chess match. Definitely not for the faint of heart. (A part of me would still like the Pats to win this one - just to see a Colts - Pats rematch in the Conference finals. Oh what a match for the ages that would be.) The Bears this year are one of the best defensive teams ever, as well. Allowing 12.6 ppg is not an easy task by any stretch of the imagination, and that number is a bit skewed due to the final game in which all their starters were rested. That defense is going to have something to prove this weekend, and I would be scared if I were the opponent. Broncos should win, and it'll still be a good matchup with the Colts-Broncos. The last two years the Broncos were dismantled by the Colts in their matchup, it's redemption time for them this year. (Even though I really would not mind Manning winning it all, in the least, because that will solidify his place as the best QB of the modern era, and a top 5 QB of all time [top 5 is debatable, who exactly goes where, though, because of the differences throughout the era]). (NOTE: This is not a reply directed AT you, but I'm quoting you so people know why I'm talking about certain things) | ||
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omgbnetsux
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
Holmberg coached the packers during their super bowl victories.. and the time where denver played green bay... Shanahan vs Holmberg... two west coast offense coaches... back at the top dueling it out... classic battle | ||
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
On January 11 2006 22:24 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Well, I was going to reply to this, but then I hit the back button by mistake on my mouse, and deleted what I wrote! FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC! I hate when that happens. I know what the D-line is supposed to do, there's no need for me to ready myself for anything. I'll just go with the main points: Broncos will win this week, they have the best MU against the Colts. Last game against the Steelers Manning was 15-25 for 245 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT, 2 Sacks, 80 yd LNG, with a 102.9 rating. In general, Manning has happy feet. He never stands still in the pocket, but it works out alright for him. There's almost no defense he can't read, so they'll be hard pressed to find one. The Steelers will not force them into many 3rd and long situations. The Broncos may, but the Steelers won't. It'll be somewhat similar to their last meeting, Indy takes this one easily. I doubt it will be easier for the colts.. and similar nah... watch how the steelers place their linebackers in this upcomming game... hell I'd even bet the broncos will follow | ||
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KOFgokuon
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ApollyoN
United States1297 Posts
On January 11 2006 19:43 Chris.K wrote: also lets not forget a 4-0 preseason... so going back from there.. I believe the broncos have the best record.... don't give me crap about the preseason not counting its more proof to show whos rookies are better and obviously tada :D (pssttt we all know the colts have no depth)Colts went 0-5 in the preseason. Yeah, its an awesome indicator  | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 12 2006 15:42 ApollyoN wrote: Colts went 0-5 in the preseason. Yeah, its an awesome indicator But there are only 4 preseason games! Also, it's HolmGREN, not Holmberg. I really don't think the NFC has a snowball's chance in hell at winning the Superbowl this year. Their teams just don't matchup against the AFC teams. Be it the Colts, Patriots, or Broncos going. Steelers are done after this week, they aren't going to make it. | ||
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ApollyoN
United States1297 Posts
WK DATE OPPONENT 1 8/6 ATLANTA FALCONS 21 - 27 2 8/13 BUFFALO BILLS 10 - 17 3 8/20 CHICAGO BEARS 17 - 24 4 8/27 @ Denver Broncos 24 - 37 5 9/2 @ Cincinnati Bengals 0 - 38 Colts are speshul, they get to play 5 for some reason. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
*edit* thank god the game got better GG: NO RE seahawks better hope alexander can get healthy quick, they'll be in trouble agianst both the bears and the panthers | ||
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
- 3 turnovers (2 on special teams - ie the Redskins defense really didn't have much to do with them. They were simple mental mistakes by the Hawks). - Seattle failed to stop the Redskins twice on 4th-and-very-long conversions (4th and 20 and 4th and 16). And this against an inept offense like Washington's. - Missed tackles resulting in huge after-catch gains by the Skins. - Blown coverages everywhere. Too many to count. -Missed "big" plays (like the two 4th down conversions and a couple of interception opportunities - like the one that actually got deflected into the arms of Santana Moss for the Skins' only offensive TD of this post-season.) Seattle's defense played well overall, but they failed to come through on many of the big plays they needed to make. This was regular season football, not playoff football. Championship level teams come through on the big plays. In the playoffs, you only get a few opportunities and the champions, unsurprisngly, capitalize on almost all of them. Hasselbeck was the difference. He willed his team to victory on this one. The Seattle offense played well against a tough, tough Washington defense. Even without Alexander, they found a way to put up points. I doubt Alexander will be out for long. He seemed in good shape on the sidelines, although he didn't play the rest of the game. Bottom line, Seattle doesn't look like a championship level team to me. They are very good and may even make it to the Super Bowl - but only because they play in the NFC. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Seahawks winning a playoff game was relevent to my thread "Seahawks win the Superbowl" all playoff discussion stemmed from the discussion about the seahawks and their path to the superbowl. I think closing my thread before my claim that the Seahawks playoff run was going to go to the superbowl is really unnecessary and frankly not appreciated. We had lots of great banter as well as great analysis for the Seahawks path to supposed glory (i hope) and your cutting alot of that off. Please re open. | ||
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omgbnetsux
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yknarf
United States90 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On January 14 2006 17:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Mensrea: Seahawks winning a playoff game was relevent to my thread "Seahawks win the Superbowl" all playoff discussion stemmed from the discussion about the seahawks and their path to the superbowl. I think closing my thread before my claim that the Seahawks playoff run was going to go to the superbowl is really unnecessary and frankly not appreciated. We had lots of great banter as well as great analysis for the Seahawks path to supposed glory (i hope) and your cutting alot of that off. Please re open. 1. You've convinced me. Your thread has been re-opened. 2. However, your comment above about not appreciating the closing of your thread was unnecessary and rude. We have an interest in discouraging the proliferation of redundant topics. Accordingly, we try our best to keep down the clutter when it comes to new threads relating to the same event. The initial closing of your thread should be interpreted with this intention in mind. The venting of your personal frustrations wasn't warranted by the circumstances. I would hope you have the good sense to apologize. | ||
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Tossim1
714 Posts
fuck football fuck life why skins why...  | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
as long as the pats lose they don't deserve it this year at all. | ||
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Tossim1
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
denver absolutely deserves to win this game. | ||
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omgbnetsux
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
On January 14 2006 20:13 Tossim1 wrote: fuck seahawks fuck football fuck life why skins why... Just be glad your quarterback didn't have his knee explode on the second play of the game... | ||
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iNcontroL
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On January 12 2006 12:53 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: The Bears this year are one of the best defensive teams ever, as well. Allowing 12.6 ppg is not an easy task by any stretch of the imagination, and that number is a bit skewed due to the final game in which all their starters were rested. That defense is going to have something to prove this weekend, and I would be scared if I were the opponent. "One of the best defensive teams ever"? I think you overstate the case. Everyone knows that the Bears are defensive juggernauts, and a case may be made that they were the best in the NFL this year, but "greatest ever" is a label that would apply only if they continue to dominate defensively throughout the remainder of the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. I've seen nothing in their regular season effort to convince me that they rank with the legendary Steel Curtain of the Steelers of the '75/'76 campaigns, the '86 Bears and the 2001 Ravens. The Bears' defense may yet turn out to prove themselves "one of the greatest ever" but that, again, is in the nature of a work in progress. We shall see. (Personally, I think the Panthers will take the Bears on Sunday.) | ||
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
but I'm still very very much ahead of that.denver over pats? eff all u non believers its broncs vs panthers in the superbowl.... OR broncs vs seahawks... either way its all good | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
stop changing your story | ||
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iNcontroL
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Tossim1
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
If your having troubles figuring it out PM me and i will walk you through the analysis word for word 3rd grade style. PS: he quoted the post he was referring to if your more of a visual kid than a verbal one. | ||
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Tossim1
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mensrea
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On January 14 2006 22:44 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Hey mensrea dont ignore me, you accused me of being rude and id appreciate an explanation, ive reread my post 3times now and found zero ground for your accusation. "I think closing my thread before my claim that the Seahawks playoff run was going to go to the superbowl is really unnecessary and frankly not appreciated" This last part sounded patronizing and petulant. If that wasn't you're intention then I've got no problems with anything else you wrote and we're square. | ||
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mensrea
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On January 14 2006 23:54 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Saying something wasnt appreciated is in no way a slander nor was it rude, i think its the most polite way to voice a disagreement or literally dissatisfaction? Had i said "your fucking stupid for closing my thread" id see some ground for your label of me being rude, but saying it as i did, i think it was mature and did not in any way warrant you saying i was rude and such. Now you're just being pigheaded and stupid. You should've taken my olive branch and backed off when you had the chance. | ||
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KOFgokuon
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Basically, the espn writer is under the impression that the only reason the broncos won is that the patriots played uncharacteristically bad. They will have no chance at all against the steelers or the colts, will get smoked no matter who they play. Personally I don't think u can hold the fact that hte Patriots played like complete garbage. They still won the game. How can u blame a team for taking advantage of a positive situation? I still think they match up pretty well against the colts and the steelers. Both defenses will have trouble stopping the bronco's run game, the broncos have solid linebackers and a defensive line that gets good penetration and pressure on the quarterback, plus a few good secondary members. Personally I think they broncos will beat the steelers (who won't make it anyways) and i'd give them maybe a 33-40% chance to beat the colts | ||
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
and as for me changing my story... I still believe the hawks have no chance of making the superbowl but I would love to see them face denver or the panthers vs denver | ||
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mensrea
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I still think the Colts are going to win this, but the Steelers are playing the Colts like they should and deserve credit for that. The Colts look seriously rusty. No surprise there given that they haven't played a meaningful game since like week 12. I know conventional wisdom dictates that once you've secured home field you should rest your starters. And politically it's always the right thing to do as a head coach (can you imagine the furor if one of your starters goes down for the rest of the year with an injury in a game of no consequence?). But, I think mentally it takes you out of that championship mind set and that's very hard to get back after such a long season. | ||
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DTDominion
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if the steelers win it makes next week very interesting but yea, no way the steelers have put this away, especially with manning rothlisberger is fucking amazing | ||
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KOFgokuon
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Polamalu is playing ridiculously well this entire playoffs. I didn't think the steelers had a chance in this game, I guess I was wrong, along with 76% of the rest of the voters Ballsy call by manning to call off the punt team, had he failed on that.........steelers with the ball around the 40, game over | ||
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decafchicken
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KOFgokuon
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what a way to end the game Porter had 2 huge plays right at the end of the game, what was it, 2 sacks in 4 plays? Pretty sick performance by the steelers defense as a whole. Didn't allow the colts to establish the running game at ALL. WOW good thing i didn't hit send yet. Unbelievable defense play by Bracket and harper. cannot believe that happened, what a way for bettis to have his first fumble of the year. | ||
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
Broncos win v Steelers next week. | ||
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Stat.Quo
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Hot_Bid
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i was watching this game in a room full of steeler fans, everyone was going out of their mind all game... everyone was jumping up and down screaming for every first down and sack etc and i swear something was going to get broken when they reversed that INT just unbelievable, what the fuck? the bad pass interference call, the 4th-and-inches and 4th-and-1, the HORRIBLE overturning of the interception, the crazy fumble on the goal line, roethlisberger saving their season with a TACKLE, the almost-INT at the end and then finally vanderjagt missing the FG, this has got to be one of the craziest playoff games ever | ||
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decafchicken
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DTDominion
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I came in at the half, I admit it, but that's where most of the trauma came in today anyway. Thanks to the highlight reels I got a briefing on the game and basically Rothlisberger was picking the defense apart and the defense was tripping up manning something awful. The third quarter was basically uneventful, Steelers went up another score, seemingly putting the game away. Fourth quarter, good god, impossible to watch. The Colt started by scoring a quick touchdown into the endzone, putting the Colts at two scores. The Steelers then proceeded with a drive I simply call, the monster, sucking up about 8 minutes. Although there was a bit of luck involved and I think they underpassed it, the philosophy was basically right, in that they wanted to eat off time with their physical running game. At this point the Colts get it back, which is where, as I see it, the Steelers coaching staff totally fumbled from a coaching standpoint. After putting heavy pressure on Manning the whole game with their blitz defense, they go into SOFT ZONE, the defense the Colts are strongest against, and then, as if by a miracle the ball is INTERCEPTED. And then, the call, after a large amount of time spent in the replay booth the ref comes out and rules that it was an incomplete pass because of the position of the CB's right knee because he fumbled, which is total crap anyway one looks at it. He has POSSESION before the fumble, I want the crack that ref was smoking, because it takes you places you could never go otherwise. After the call the Colts sense that their time is now and quickly bomb it into the endzone, in no small part because of the Steelers's soft zone defense. The Steelers get the ball back and go no where, they should have thrown the pass on 2nd down off a play action, but that wasn't the worst disaster yet. The Colts get the ball back at the 20, the Steelers do not play around here, they know this is when they have to put the game away. And this time they DO NOT dissapoint. Despite a valiant effort from Manning blitzburg shows up with a vengance and puts the Colts back to the 2 yard line with a massive sack. First and 10 and the 2 for the Steelers, barely over a minute. 21-18. If the Steelers get a touchdown here the game is over, they can't kneel because of the Colt's timeouts, no problem, give it to Bettis a couple times and run with it, a simple field goal kick means the Colts need a touchdown. Bettis gets the ball and FUMBLES IT! The Colt's defender scoops it up and runs all the way out to midfield before being tripped up by Rothlisberger and being finally taken down. This is it, the Colt's time, Manning relentlessly passes it upfield, almost making it within 5 yards of the endzone once and into the endzone another time, but the Steelers are out for blood, putting the pressure on Manning as the cornerbacks stick with the recievers all over the field. At fourth down the colts are in position for a 45 yard field goal. Vanderjagt is one of the best kickers in the league, he has never missed a kick at home, this kick is well within his range, if not the outter end of it. It's been said that being a kicker is easy, untill the game is on the line, and that it was at this very moment. Vanderjagt lines up, the ball is snapped, he runs up and kicks the ball, sending it flying..... to the right. The Steelers win, after three kneels with less than 30 seconds to go the time finally runs out, and the players and coaches meet to acknowledge the great game they have just played. The Steelers overcame bad officiating, bad coaching, and the best team in the NFL to win today, and they absolutely deserve it. The Steelers came as close to beating god as you possibly can today. | ||
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Stat.Quo
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DTDominion
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mensrea
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Panthers up by 9 points at the half against the Bears. Carolina's racked up 290 yrds of total offense so far. Someone mentioned earlier to me that the Bears were among "the greatest" defensive teams ever and that they would have something to prove today against the Panthers. I thought the "greatest ever" tag was an overstatement and undeserved. The Bears may yet prove me wrong (as the Steelers - Colts match showed, a lot can happen in a half) - but so far the team that's showed up with a chip on its shoulders isn't the one wearing black. | ||
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Sadist
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DTDominion
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On January 15 2006 14:33 Stat.Quo wrote: recap of the game..... deadly as in good, it was compliment that's what i thought, just wanted to be sure. it was a cool compliment, but i wasn't sure it was one O_o. thanks though ^_^ did anyone see manning's comment after the game where he totally blamed his pass protection for losing and barely said shit about how the steelers blitz totally dominated him. to me it seemed totally unproffesional. | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
did you see that dumbass call earlier in the panthers/bears game. where the bear's wideout was heading toward the endzone with two panther defenders hot on his tail. he held the ball out to get it over the pylon and the panther defender made him fumble the ball over the pylon. the dumbass refs ruled it a TD and the panther's coach had to waste a challenge because the refs were blind | ||
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Hot_Bid
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smith's 2nd long TD catch came on 2nd and 20, wtf? how do you man to man their ONLY real deep threat on 2nd and 20? | ||
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ChezGod
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
THAT'S why the Bears defense absolutely does not belong among the great defenses of all time. That's why claims to greatness are staked out in the playoffs and not the regular season. The Bears had a great defensive regular season and dominated their opponents, but it's in the playoffs where the offenses play for keeps. The Bears (and their fans) today found out out the difference between doing well during the regular season and delivering in the postseason. The difference might as well be a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon. | ||
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KOFgokuon
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Steve Smith should have another field day against seahawks, I don't see them shutting him down in the least. If chicago's secondary couldn't shut him down, i don't see how dyson or trufant will be able to stop him. Foster's sprained ankle could be a problem though Anyone notice how there were a LOT of controversial calls this weekend? Maybe it's just because I scrutinized way more because the games matter a lot more, but a lot of phantom no calls and garbage interference calls in my opinion this weekend | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
the call i mentioned earlier was the only bad call i saw in the bears/panthers game, but i didn't watch the game so there might have been more. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
Who was it that jumped the offensive line when delhomme took the knee? I've ALWAYS wanted to see someone do it fox didn't replay it, and buck/aikman never really talked about it. Lots of injuries to the panthers this game tho, hopefully foster and peppers will be alright by next week. I'd hate to see the seahawks win solely because 2 really important players for hte panthers are out (same reverse, hate to see the seahawks lose just cause alexander and darrell jackson don't make it back) | ||
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On January 15 2006 17:52 KOFgokuon wrote: Mohammad practically got tackled before touching the ball a few times by lucas and gamble in my opinion, but no calls every time. The most blatant was the last chicago play of the game, definitely looked like he got thrown down Who was it that jumped the offensive line when delhomme took the knee? I've ALWAYS wanted to see someone do it fox didn't replay it, and buck/aikman never really talked about it. Lots of injuries to the panthers this game tho, hopefully foster and peppers will be alright by next week. I'd hate to see the seahawks win solely because 2 really important players for hte panthers are out (same reverse, hate to see the seahawks lose just cause alexander and darrell jackson don't make it back) *Muhammad. We had him for like 9 years in North Carolina. Would've been a bitchin tandem with smith, but smith got injured last year when he was good and before that smith was basically a punt return/kickoff guy. Anyways, no me and incontrol are death enemies. | ||
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Sadist
United States7228 Posts
On January 15 2006 08:10 KOFgokuon wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2292944 Basically, the espn writer is under the impression that the only reason the broncos won is that the patriots played uncharacteristically bad. They will have no chance at all against the steelers or the colts, will get smoked no matter who they play. Personally I don't think u can hold the fact that hte Patriots played like complete garbage. They still won the game. How can u blame a team for taking advantage of a positive situation? I still think they match up pretty well against the colts and the steelers. Both defenses will have trouble stopping the bronco's run game, the broncos have solid linebackers and a defensive line that gets good penetration and pressure on the quarterback, plus a few good secondary members. Personally I think they broncos will beat the steelers (who won't make it anyways) and i'd give them maybe a 33-40% chance to beat the colts brady's throw was his fault, he tried to force a score because you could see he was obviously getting frustrated from just getting field goals the 2 previous trips down (although they werent in the redzone they were fairly close to it and had good drives going until the last series where they fucked up) The fumbles were ridiculous, kevin faulk fumble was ok, but the kicker causing a fumble is stupid, pats just played uncharacteristically careless and stupid football. The patriots dominated the game, the only time the broncos looked anygood is when they stopped the pats drives with the 2 fieldgoals and INT return. The broncos had retardedly short fields to work with. That pass interferance was complete bullshit, lelie was completely grabbing on HIS arm not the other way around, that call was garbage. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
On January 15 2006 18:33 -_- wrote: *Muhammad. We had him for like 9 years in North Carolina. Would've been a bitchin tandem with smith, but smith got injured last year when he was good and before that smith was basically a punt return/kickoff guy. Anyways, no me and incontrol are death enemies. You did have them as a tandem for a year, it took you to a superbowl remember haha. over my eagles steve smith deep, muhammad over the middle, foster/davis running the ball, if they'd be willing to pay the panthers coulda had the best offense in the league, rather than a one man show (which has yet to be stopped). Even tho u smoked my eagles, i'm pulling for the panthers this year. AFter watching the kenny mayne featuer on quarterback finger licking and steve smith say "Tom Brady. Quarter back of the year? More like germ spreader of the year" and "Tom Brady is disGUSTING."Classic, hilarious, steve smith was my favorite player after that feature. He was already up there when he basically won me my fantasy football competition 2 years back, now it's for sure. | ||
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chobopeon
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Poll: Steelers(11-5) vs Broncos (13-3) (Vote): Steelers (Vote): Broncos Poll: Panthers(11-5) vs Seatle(13-3) (Vote): Panthers (Vote): Seahawks | ||
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On January 15 2006 19:02 KOFgokuon wrote: You did have them as a tandem for a year, it took you to a superbowl remember haha. over my eagles steve smith deep, muhammad over the middle, foster/davis running the ball, if they'd be willing to pay the panthers coulda had the best offense in the league, rather than a one man show (which has yet to be stopped). Even tho u smoked my eagles, i'm pulling for the panthers this year. AFter watching the kenny mayne featuer on quarterback finger licking and steve smith say "Tom Brady. Quarter back of the year? More like germ spreader of the year" and "Tom Brady is disGUSTING."Classic, hilarious, steve smith was my favorite player after that feature. He was already up there when he basically won me my fantasy football competition 2 years back, now it's for sure. You're right, but I meant they never really synced up with good seasons. When Smith was good in 2003 muhammad... kind of sucked. Well not sucked, but I think moose had 50 receptions or something. Hehe, the eagles certainly slid quickly. Even though there is absolutely no shot, the panthers should try to pick up TO! | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
of course considering the quarterbacking those years, who can blame him when his passers are rodney peete and chris weinke -_- Eagles just made a lot of retarded moves. They expected too much from upcoming rookies on the defensive line, letting go a probowler in simon and burgess, but who would have expected burgess to go from garbage to leading the league in sacks? or mcdougle getting shot? Eagles had a slew of injuries, but that's an excuse. What it comes down to is that they just didn't play well. Bad playcalling, bad defenses, etc. I forget who wrote the article, but one of the espn contributors wrote that the eagles really need to retool their defense. Their defense is tooled more ot stop the west coast offense, deemphasizing the importance of the outside linebackers. WIth so many teams pounding the ball and using max protect schemes, linebackers become way more important. We just don't have the playmakers in the front 7 anymore to get it done. Kearse isn't enough, he just gets doubled all the time and they rest of the team is easy to shut down. No pressure on the quarterback = we're dead. The secondary may have led the league in passes defended, but when quarterbacks have the opportunity to throw the ball that much, we'll eventually get picked apart. Realistically, the eagles need to sign (another) veteran receiver...not sure who's available. I know that boldin is a free agent, but arizona would be stupid to let him go. If they're gonna go with this team, they should go for an established veteran...Reggie Brown as the deep threat is fine, need an experienced posession receiver for sure. | ||
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Romanticide
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GGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRONCOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSS god living in denver kicks ass | ||
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chobopeon
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KOFgokuon
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actually having tickets to the game is something completely different | ||
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omgbnetsux
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On January 15 2006 22:56 Murdahh wrote: Denver sucks and got lucky vs the Patriots. Steelers for the win. Homefield advantage is huge for the Broncos. I think the Broncos are also a much more disciplined team that the Colts, so it should be another good game. | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
On January 16 2006 00:03 Romanticide wrote: the broncos are gonna win the superbowl, the pats were the largest hurdle in their way. the steelers got lucky playing vs a colts team that really went downhill from the colts in the regular season. the nfc? the seahawks and panthers are pathetic teams. b4 the playoff games began there were 3 teams that could win it: colts, broncos, and pats. and two out of the three are already out. the steelers got lucky in some ways, but the colts weren't rusty IMO, because the few chances the colts had they made some monster plays. the times of the game the steelers dominated them were totally legit. | ||
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ToT)BrAiN(
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i had class at 9 which sucked pretty bad but the 4th quarter was def. worth that =) | ||
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TameTheMan
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Hot_Bid
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everyone keeps talking about how manning and brady are so good against the blitz, and while the patriots looked a lot better against it in the second half, it basically fucked them the entire first half. manning never set his feet and threw well vs steelers blitz the entire game, except for that drive they stupidly didnt blitz... but that was right after that bullshit INT reversal, so the steelers were understandably shocked. manning/dungy also shouldve prepared for that 4th down sack, when it was like 4th and 16 or whatever on their own 5, manning should've chucked the ball out the back of the endzone (safety) instead of take a sack at the 1 yard line, that way its 23-18 with 2 minutes left and colts can use their 3 timeouts to try to stop the steelers then go for the TD win. how hilarious is it though, manning & co. FINALLY dont have to play the patriots and they lose in the divisional round hahaha. all season they were hyped as huge superbowl favorites and they dont even win a playoff game. manning is damaged goods for life, never going to win a super bowl. this year was their best shot and they fucked it up. | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
On January 16 2006 00:03 Romanticide wrote: the broncos are gonna win the superbowl, the pats were the largest hurdle in their way. the steelers got lucky playing vs a colts team that really went downhill from the colts in the regular season. the nfc? the seahawks and panthers are pathetic teams. b4 the playoff games began there were 3 teams that could win it: colts, broncos, and pats. and two out of the three are already out. While the NFC isn't as impressive as the AFC usually, I wouldn't count out the Panthers or the Seahawks. "Pathetic" is vastly over simplifying things. | ||
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Bobo_
United States192 Posts
Now that the Colts are out, I seriously think the Broncos will take it this year. The Panthers have the best Defense in the NFL but really, if you compare NFC with the AFC, the NFC is not that good. The Seahawks have a good chance as well, I wouldn't be suprised if they made it to the Superbowl. | ||
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
What did I say guys? steelers would pressure manning his feet wouldn't get set and he'd get owned... well done steelersnow as for pats vs denver.... Denver played well... don't give me shit they didn't.... they may have not had as many yards but they won... they beat the back to back defending champions.... even if they only had 50 yards on offense and won... they played well a win is a win..... its funny because even though denver has pretty much been the 2nd best team all season with wins.... they haven't been rated very high... its cool they play the underdog well..... now predictions against steelers... denver will win Denver is undefeated at home.. They excell against the run Bailey and Williams will rip big ben up when he throws it The colts had a good defense its decent I suppose but the broncos are pretty much top tier... so look for ben to get picked off twice.... while jake rushing for one td... anderson 1 and smith easily with 100 yard game... I'll give lelie 60 yards because he makes those huge game turning plays Panthers > hawks | ||
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
On January 16 2006 07:20 TameTheMan wrote: ive never seen such an exciting 5 last minutes of 4th quarter football I take it you didnt watch the rose bowl this year? | ||
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TameTheMan
United States71 Posts
On January 16 2006 16:25 decafchicken wrote: I take it you didnt watch the rose bowl this year? yea i saw it, all of it, i think this was more exciting :D | ||
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Bobo_
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I would love to see upset on the Steelers. A lot of the people don't think Broncos can win, but I sure as hell do. Then I would love to see an upset, Carolina > Denver. Hehe if that was to happen....this would be the year of the upsets ^^; | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
On January 16 2006 17:42 Bobo_ wrote: Haha. I would love to see upset on the Steelers. A lot of the people don't think Broncos can win, but I sure as hell do. Then I would love to see an upset, Carolina > Denver. Hehe if that was to happen....this would be the year of the upsets ^^; Umm how is denver winning an upset at all?! 2 seed vs 6 seed? As far as i've read, I don' t see any overwhelming majority of polls saying that pittsburgh is gonna win by any means. If anything it's pretty evenly split.. | ||
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
Denver will be favored going into Sunday's match v the Steelers. Denver has the better overall record, the higher seed and they are playing at home - where Denver is undefeated this season. Denver will be favored to win. It doesn't mean they will actually win, but that's just the way the oddsmakers will see things. Now, for a bit of opinion on my part. Beating Indy does not mean the Steelers are also a team built to beat the Broncos. They still could of course, no doubt about that, but the Broncos are a different team from the Colts. The Broncos are much more like the Steelers than the Colts. Denver can beat you with the occasional deep pass, but coach Shanahan has Plummer on a very tight leash and the team is built around a punishing running attack backed by a solid defense. The similarities continue. The Broncos as an organization (like the Steelers, but unlike the Colts) have a tradition of success in the playoffs. They've won it all before - and not too long ago. I can't emphasize enough how important that tradition of wining is. The organizational experience of being champions affects players in so many ways - even if the players have never experienced it firsthand. It sets the standards high and the players feel it. And Shanahan gives Denver an edge in the coaching department the Steelers won't be able to match. It will be close, but I believe the oddsmakers will be right - Denver > Steelers. If the Steelers do win, then it will be because Ben Roths has played the game of his life. That guy can be a difference maker. | ||
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