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Try
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1293 Posts
January 14 2013 09:06 GMT
#641
Hey so I was watching the dark souls speedrun on the SDA marathon and heard them say that the record was something a little over an hour, but then I looked up the actual record and it says that it is 32 minutes; is there something I am missing here?
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 09:23:48
January 14 2013 09:12 GMT
#642
SDA is known to have a really tight control over each and every video sent to them, meaning it can take months to validate a run. Also meaning once it gets up on the site, it's often an obsolete run.

And with asian competition and the lack of a global wiki about WR, it's sometimes hard to keep a track on records.

Edit : Oh just watched the category, it's all about that one glitch that can skip 30~ min of the run.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
January 14 2013 09:22 GMT
#643
On January 14 2013 18:06 Try wrote:
Hey so I was watching the dark souls speedrun on the SDA marathon and heard them say that the record was something a little over an hour, but then I looked up the actual record and it says that it is 32 minutes; is there something I am missing here?


My guess is that 32 mins is with the glitch that lets you skip content and the one around one hour is legit run without glitches.
zz_
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 10:27:08
January 14 2013 10:26 GMT
#644
On January 14 2013 18:06 Try wrote:
Hey so I was watching the dark souls speedrun on the SDA marathon and heard them say that the record was something a little over an hour, but then I looked up the actual record and it says that it is 32 minutes; is there something I am missing here?


On January 14 2013 18:22 Vaelone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 18:06 Try wrote:
Hey so I was watching the dark souls speedrun on the SDA marathon and heard them say that the record was something a little over an hour, but then I looked up the actual record and it says that it is 32 minutes; is there something I am missing here?


My guess is that 32 mins is with the glitch that lets you skip content and the one around one hour is legit run without glitches.


Yeah this basically, there is a glitch that allows you to skip to the last boss as soon as you get the Lordsvessel, (you reset-glitch through the door behind the lordsvessel) essentially skipping all of the Lord's Souls.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46f0PVJZwW8
here is a video of it
In the absence of justice, what is sovereignty but organized robbery?
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 14 2013 17:50 GMT
#645
On January 14 2013 14:17 Raelcun wrote:
So I apparently gained 500 followers during AGDQ... going to make me feel bad about not streaming more often.

=)

Thanks for doing a great job streaming and raising a ton in our dear Violet's memory!
[TLMS] REBOOT
Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
January 14 2013 18:14 GMT
#646
On January 14 2013 16:47 Drazerk wrote:
I gained 30 from just being in team SDA


And the several shoutouts during FFIX, maybe? :D You deserve em though! Both of ya.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 18:25:20
January 14 2013 18:24 GMT
#647
On January 15 2013 03:14 Leyra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 16:47 Drazerk wrote:
I gained 30 from just being in team SDA


And the several shoutouts during FFIX, maybe? :D You deserve em though! Both of ya.


I really didn't deserve any of those shout outs considering I invented tentless
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
January 14 2013 19:57 GMT
#648
I was waiting for a good time to donate, wasn't really sure what swag I wanted if any... and then Raelcun started running SC2 and said to donate to name Steiner Violet. Perfect opportunity!
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
January 14 2013 22:40 GMT
#649
The Dark Souls run with 32 minutes uses the Kiln Glitch which doesn't work in current versions of the game. So in order to do the Kiln Skip you need to actually use a backpatched version. Kotti uses the current version of the game and he plays non Kiln Glitch because that counts as a major skip so it is in a different category timing wise.
Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 23:05:10
January 14 2013 23:02 GMT
#650
On January 15 2013 07:40 Raelcun wrote:
The Dark Souls run with 32 minutes uses the Kiln Glitch which doesn't work in current versions of the game. So in order to do the Kiln Skip you need to actually use a backpatched version. Kotti uses the current version of the game and he plays non Kiln Glitch because that counts as a major skip so it is in a different category timing wise.


Yeah sadly for speedrunning, the most recent version can't even compete with the previous version due to the removal of that glitch. And AFAIK there is really no way to go back to that version once you have patched up.

I dunno if the glitch works in the retail version (ie console version), but its basically forever inaccessible to the PC version now.

BONUS EDIT: Watching Kotti run another route (Faith and Lightning Spear), which seems like it could be good if you got the Black Knight Halberd first. Also, do any of the PC runners use DSFix to get those sweet, sweet graphics? That would be the only reason play PC IMO. Well that and the potentially higher frame rate.
The Innocent shall suffer... big time.
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
January 14 2013 23:22 GMT
#651
On January 15 2013 08:02 Rayeth wrote:
Also, do any of the PC runners use DSFix to get those sweet, sweet graphics? That would be the only reason play PC IMO. Well that and the potentially higher frame rate.


And the fact that the PC version starts up in about 15 seconds while booting up your PS3 and waiting through all the credits and loading screens takes like 5 minutes.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 07:51:55
January 16 2013 07:23 GMT
#652
I think the route for Disc 1 in Legend of Dragoon for Haschel is pretty much done, tested out the new changes and good god.

[image loading]

They weren't that big of changes, and there are still a few minutes of mistakes in there. I don't think enough to get sub 3:40 but with some godlike luck maybe.

Time to move on to optimizing Disc 2 I guess.

Edit: I had 2 random encounters in the entire disc. 1 is a very very tight step count that has about a 50% chance of giving a random encounter on the last step out of the area, and the other was just a mistake by me. So a full disc 1 no random encounters is totally possible.
ZwuckeL
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany563 Posts
January 16 2013 07:53 GMT
#653
I've done some Far Cry 3 Speed Running, here's my quickest try:
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 17:18:21
January 16 2013 10:57 GMT
#654
On January 15 2013 08:02 Rayeth wrote:
BONUS EDIT: Watching Kotti run another route (Faith and Lightning Spear), which seems like it could be good if you got the Black Knight Halberd first. Also, do any of the PC runners use DSFix to get those sweet, sweet graphics? That would be the only reason play PC IMO. Well that and the potentially higher frame rate.


Well kotti prefers the pyromancy route because getting the Halberd is really inconsistent and causes a lot of early resets. It is kind of a rare drop after all and you kill the knight with 0 humanity. Humanity raises item discovery aka magic find. I watched a bunch of kotti's recordings on twitch.tv and in one he said he has really terrible luck with the halberd. The faith route is more of a fun thing, it has a longer route in the beginning and kotti is pretty much the only one using it. If the different routes would be different categories, which according to kotti they should be, he will pretty much have the WR on faith route. Getting lightning spear after the halberd would has a small problem: you need 22 strength and 18 dexterity to wield a Black Knight Halberd in both hands. You need 25 faith to be able to join the sunbros to get lightning spear. Meaning you need to put a lot more souls into stats, if you want both. I'm not sure how tight the run is on souls, but I think they want to put them into upgrades asap. Also the Halberd does loads of damage on its own, not sure if the detour to get Lightning Spear would be worth it.

And yes if I remember correctly most of the runners use DSFix. At least I think kotti said so in one of the recordings on his twitch.. will try to double check if I find the time.

edit: Did just catch Kotti on NevetsGiarc stream. Kotti uses DSFix, NevetsGiarc does not. DSFix does speed up some things (Save and Quit apparently) and you shouldn't use the Framerate unlock, because that can change things quite a bit. So it seems to be a bit controversial. There is no ruling regarding DSFix, because only a few ppl run it and they are way slower than the Japanese guys anway.
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
January 19 2013 02:25 GMT
#655
On January 16 2013 16:53 ZwuckeL wrote:
I've done some Far Cry 3 Speed Running, here's my quickest try:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmnmmYn0zD8


Hmm Far Cry 3 should be pretty sweet to run indeed. I really don't know much about the game but isn't the world very open ? Do you have a specific storyline to follow or do you just need to do several specific "quests" to move forward in the story ?

As for myself, I just got a pretty sweet 2:01:22 in Vice City, which I find pretty good for a first full run. Obviously the WR is still pretty far (about 12 minutes) but I feel pretty good, considering I made several significant mistakes and I'm not totally comfortable with choppers and several other aspects of the game.
Flicky, let's race ? :D
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2675 Posts
January 20 2013 01:14 GMT
#656
On January 19 2013 11:25 tyr wrote:
As for myself, I just got a pretty sweet 2:01:22 in Vice City, which I find pretty good for a first full run. Obviously the WR is still pretty far (about 12 minutes) but I feel pretty good, considering I made several significant mistakes and I'm not totally comfortable with choppers and several other aspects of the game.
Flicky, let's race ? :D


That's a really good first time btw. I'll try out Vice City eventually but I got lots of games to play atm.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
January 21 2013 03:54 GMT
#657
Callout time:

AGDQ post hype TSSB episode.

Flicky offhandedly mentions that he missed the SC2 run (he wasn't even in the building.)
PJ tries to bring up that he's one of the major TL guys and Flicky changes the subject.
Then Flicky tries to pimp the TL hype to save face and gets the amount of $ raised for Violet wrong.

#ScumbagFlicky #ShotsFired #Hashtag
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 21 2013 04:01 GMT
#658
PJ is on TL??! I <3ed PJ's runs.
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Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2675 Posts
January 21 2013 11:00 GMT
#659
On January 21 2013 12:54 Raelcun wrote:
Callout time:

AGDQ post hype TSSB episode.

Flicky offhandedly mentions that he missed the SC2 run (he wasn't even in the building.)
PJ tries to bring up that he's one of the major TL guys and Flicky changes the subject.
Then Flicky tries to pimp the TL hype to save face and gets the amount of $ raised for Violet wrong.

#ScumbagFlicky #ShotsFired #Hashtag


You should link that episode so everyone can go watch it.

On January 14 2013 18:22 Vaelone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 18:06 Try wrote:
Hey so I was watching the dark souls speedrun on the SDA marathon and heard them say that the record was something a little over an hour, but then I looked up the actual record and it says that it is 32 minutes; is there something I am missing here?


My guess is that 32 mins is with the glitch that lets you skip content and the one around one hour is legit run without glitches.


I just want to make sure that people don't think that the glitched run isn't legit. A glitched run is no less legitimate than a non-glitched run in any game, even LTTP or Link's Awakening. There's still some animosity towards glitches being used in games and thinking that they aren't real speedruns if they're used. Hopefully will only be personal preference soon.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
January 21 2013 13:58 GMT
#660
http://www.twitch.tv/werster

Werster getting a very nice run on Fire Red right now.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
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