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On November 21 2013 07:44 Aylear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 07:37 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 21 2013 07:31 Aylear wrote:On November 21 2013 07:20 Kyhron wrote:On November 21 2013 06:58 NovaMB wrote:
All this bullshit just because of some fucking pixels on a website. Grow up already. Harassing someone, for as little as marginal bullshit as this ,is disgusting So youre ok with a twitch admin abusing his power and also not doing his job properly. Horror gave his boyfriend a GLOBAL emote for twitch when global emotes are saved for twitch staff or very big streamers...his boyfriend is neither which is clearly favoritism and abuse of power. Horror also is the one in charge of approving all emotes and dropped the ball not once but twice. First in approving cyphgers emotes without doing the research then removing emotes that had nothing to do with what he claimed they were associated to. Secondly Duke got IP banned for making a joke. Horror went overboard especially after everyone found out the story behind NightLight. Horror has a history of abusing power and once again showed it last night. IP banning Duke over a joke is clearly overstepping his authority. From there it devolved into a lot of hate and poor reactions from both sides. Intentions were good, but clearly there needs to be some repercussions and talk about what happened by both sides. Horror and twitch were clearly not ready for the community to bite back at the amount of power abuse that happened. They acted poorly and the community reacted as equally poorly. Communication was shit and that was the biggest problem. I disagree with most of this. First, Horror giving a global emote to someone who isn't a well-known streamer or Twitch staff: Not only does it not bother me, I would happily let him have this rare perk of the job that is having to deal with teenagers and idiots on a daily basis. The emote is not the problem here; stop acting like it will negatively impact your life. Second, Duke got IP banned for "making a joke", which is Newspeak for "making a sexual jab at a known homosexual". The privileged do not get to decide what is and is not acceptable, and how people should and should not react to something like that. If I said to a black admin, "hey, trade you a global emote for some food stamps?", then in any decently run universe he would be legally allowed to punch me until it stopped being funny (I'm being facetious for the sake of making a point). What I mean is, I should be removed from play -- I no longer show any sensitivity to another human being. It was a stupid fucking thing to make a joke about and I am on Horror's side on this one. The only thing I agree with is what is at the heart of all the current drama: The complete lack of transparency at Twitch, their posthumous justification for their actions, and their treatment of streamers who were respectfully showing their disagreement. Both parties are being fucking stupid and everyone should just relax until the people who are at the heart of this have a chance to to talk and come to some agreement. wait...so its ok to make that kind of joke if they guy was straight? if you think he deserves special treatment cause he is homosexual you are the one treating him differently. otherwise this is just your usual drama in the internet :D Straight people are not regularly and vehemently discriminated against for being straight. Your analogy is false. You (the privileged majority) do not get to decide what is and is not acceptable; you do not get to decide how people who are discriminated against should feel about discriminatory jokes and words.
Right, but causing offence isn't a crime, and being offended isn't actionable. Or at least, it shouldn't be. Twitch apparently feels differently, which is my primary interest in the whole thing.
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On November 21 2013 07:46 Dubzex wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 07:44 Aylear wrote:On November 21 2013 07:37 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 21 2013 07:31 Aylear wrote:On November 21 2013 07:20 Kyhron wrote:On November 21 2013 06:58 NovaMB wrote:
All this bullshit just because of some fucking pixels on a website. Grow up already. Harassing someone, for as little as marginal bullshit as this ,is disgusting So youre ok with a twitch admin abusing his power and also not doing his job properly. Horror gave his boyfriend a GLOBAL emote for twitch when global emotes are saved for twitch staff or very big streamers...his boyfriend is neither which is clearly favoritism and abuse of power. Horror also is the one in charge of approving all emotes and dropped the ball not once but twice. First in approving cyphgers emotes without doing the research then removing emotes that had nothing to do with what he claimed they were associated to. Secondly Duke got IP banned for making a joke. Horror went overboard especially after everyone found out the story behind NightLight. Horror has a history of abusing power and once again showed it last night. IP banning Duke over a joke is clearly overstepping his authority. From there it devolved into a lot of hate and poor reactions from both sides. Intentions were good, but clearly there needs to be some repercussions and talk about what happened by both sides. Horror and twitch were clearly not ready for the community to bite back at the amount of power abuse that happened. They acted poorly and the community reacted as equally poorly. Communication was shit and that was the biggest problem. I disagree with most of this. First, Horror giving a global emote to someone who isn't a well-known streamer or Twitch staff: Not only does it not bother me, I would happily let him have this rare perk of the job that is having to deal with teenagers and idiots on a daily basis. The emote is not the problem here; stop acting like it will negatively impact your life. Second, Duke got IP banned for "making a joke", which is Newspeak for "making a sexual jab at a known homosexual". The privileged do not get to decide what is and is not acceptable, and how people should and should not react to something like that. If I said to a black admin, "hey, trade you a global emote for some food stamps?", then in any decently run universe he would be legally allowed to punch me until it stopped being funny (I'm being facetious for the sake of making a point). What I mean is, I should be removed from play -- I no longer show any sensitivity to another human being. It was a stupid fucking thing to make a joke about and I am on Horror's side on this one. The only thing I agree with is what is at the heart of all the current drama: The complete lack of transparency at Twitch, their posthumous justification for their actions, and their treatment of streamers who were respectfully showing their disagreement. Both parties are being fucking stupid and everyone should just relax until the people who are at the heart of this have a chance to to talk and come to some agreement. wait...so its ok to make that kind of joke if they guy was straight? if you think he deserves special treatment cause he is homosexual you are the one treating him differently. otherwise this is just your usual drama in the internet :D Straight people are not regularly and vehemently discriminated against for being straight. Your analogy is false. You (the privileged majority) do not get to decide what is and is not acceptable; you do not get to decide how people who are discriminated against should feel about discriminatory jokes and words. Ah, the joys of equality without equality.
Nobody would ever say "Some straight guy banned them", implying that being straight is somehow deplorable. For being not-straight, however, people do use that kind of wording, and they do imply such things. If you don't see the difference, then I cannot help you.
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On November 21 2013 07:48 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 07:46 Dubzex wrote:On November 21 2013 07:44 Aylear wrote:On November 21 2013 07:37 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 21 2013 07:31 Aylear wrote:On November 21 2013 07:20 Kyhron wrote:On November 21 2013 06:58 NovaMB wrote:
All this bullshit just because of some fucking pixels on a website. Grow up already. Harassing someone, for as little as marginal bullshit as this ,is disgusting So youre ok with a twitch admin abusing his power and also not doing his job properly. Horror gave his boyfriend a GLOBAL emote for twitch when global emotes are saved for twitch staff or very big streamers...his boyfriend is neither which is clearly favoritism and abuse of power. Horror also is the one in charge of approving all emotes and dropped the ball not once but twice. First in approving cyphgers emotes without doing the research then removing emotes that had nothing to do with what he claimed they were associated to. Secondly Duke got IP banned for making a joke. Horror went overboard especially after everyone found out the story behind NightLight. Horror has a history of abusing power and once again showed it last night. IP banning Duke over a joke is clearly overstepping his authority. From there it devolved into a lot of hate and poor reactions from both sides. Intentions were good, but clearly there needs to be some repercussions and talk about what happened by both sides. Horror and twitch were clearly not ready for the community to bite back at the amount of power abuse that happened. They acted poorly and the community reacted as equally poorly. Communication was shit and that was the biggest problem. I disagree with most of this. First, Horror giving a global emote to someone who isn't a well-known streamer or Twitch staff: Not only does it not bother me, I would happily let him have this rare perk of the job that is having to deal with teenagers and idiots on a daily basis. The emote is not the problem here; stop acting like it will negatively impact your life. Second, Duke got IP banned for "making a joke", which is Newspeak for "making a sexual jab at a known homosexual". The privileged do not get to decide what is and is not acceptable, and how people should and should not react to something like that. If I said to a black admin, "hey, trade you a global emote for some food stamps?", then in any decently run universe he would be legally allowed to punch me until it stopped being funny (I'm being facetious for the sake of making a point). What I mean is, I should be removed from play -- I no longer show any sensitivity to another human being. It was a stupid fucking thing to make a joke about and I am on Horror's side on this one. The only thing I agree with is what is at the heart of all the current drama: The complete lack of transparency at Twitch, their posthumous justification for their actions, and their treatment of streamers who were respectfully showing their disagreement. Both parties are being fucking stupid and everyone should just relax until the people who are at the heart of this have a chance to to talk and come to some agreement. wait...so its ok to make that kind of joke if they guy was straight? if you think he deserves special treatment cause he is homosexual you are the one treating him differently. otherwise this is just your usual drama in the internet :D Straight people are not regularly and vehemently discriminated against for being straight. Your analogy is false. You (the privileged majority) do not get to decide what is and is not acceptable; you do not get to decide how people who are discriminated against should feel about discriminatory jokes and words. Ah, the joys of equality without equality. Nobody would ever say "Some straight guy banned them", implying that being straight is somehow deplorable. For being not-straight, however, people do use that kind of wording, and they do imply such things. If you don't see the difference, then I cannot help you.
Precisely this. You cannot claim equality while still using words like "this gay/trans/furry etc".
Edit: I realize how much I am a culprit in this divergence, but can we all go back to talking about speedrunning and the Twitch streams and not deviate into equality and social rights? I won't say any more about it and I apologize for derailing the topic and what we should be talking about.
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An admin just explained why they don't go over backgroup music but do care about copyright for icons, and it actually makes sense. If a company has an issue with the music, they have to go after the streamer, and can ask to shut down the channel or remove a video, but they don't go after the Twitch, YouTube, etc. Icons are aproved by Twitch, which means any copyright dispute would involve them.
It obviously doesn't excuse the inconsistent way that they review icons and emotes, that's a diferent subject, but they don't forget about those "LoL streamers" just because they have higher numbers.
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On November 21 2013 07:57 Drazerk wrote:http://www.twitch.tv/eekcast could potentially beat his PB go watch that rather than deal with the drama
Oh, GOD. That special defense drop. Poor Mewtwo.
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It BK time doesnt matter until Grunty. That game board literally makes or breaks a run
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On November 21 2013 07:59 SKC wrote:
An admin just explained why they don't go over backgroup music but do care about copyright for icons, and it actually makes sense. If a company has an issue with the music, they have to go after the streamer, and can ask to shut down the channel or remove a video, but they don't go after the Twitch, YouTube, etc. Icons are aproved by Twitch, which means any copyright dispute would involve them.
It obviously doesn't excuse the inconsistent way that they review icons and emotes, that's a diferent subject, but they don't forget about those "LoL streamers" just because they have higher numbers.
Sure. My point about stream size was more to do with bans. It's easy to ban Werster, because 1k viewers is basically chicken feed. xpeke's 16k, or DreamLeague's 97k peak, is different, and would have been treated differently. If this had started in a different community, Twitch might not have reacted as drastically as they did, and the backlash wouldn't have been as extreme. My sense is that the vast majority of the outrage is over the bans, not the initial emoticon stuff.
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On November 21 2013 08:04 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 07:59 SKC wrote:
An admin just explained why they don't go over backgroup music but do care about copyright for icons, and it actually makes sense. If a company has an issue with the music, they have to go after the streamer, and can ask to shut down the channel or remove a video, but they don't go after the Twitch, YouTube, etc. Icons are aproved by Twitch, which means any copyright dispute would involve them.
It obviously doesn't excuse the inconsistent way that they review icons and emotes, that's a diferent subject, but they don't forget about those "LoL streamers" just because they have higher numbers. Sure. My point about stream size was more to do with bans. It's easy to ban Werster, because 1k viewers is basically chicken feed. xpeke's 16k, or DreamLeague's 97k peak, is different, and would have been treated differently. If this had started in a different community, Twitch might not have reacted as drastically as they did, and the backlash wouldn't have been as extreme. My sense is that the vast majority of the outrage is over the bans, not the initial emoticon stuff.
It's a vicious circle that is currently escalated by both sides. Of course, only one side has the ban-hammer..
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Is anyone else getting a twitch maintenance error?
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On November 21 2013 08:07 Misder wrote:
Is anyone else getting a twitch maintenance error?
Yep, just got it. Damage control time. If you can still watch streams, do not refresh.
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On November 21 2013 08:06 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:04 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On November 21 2013 07:59 SKC wrote:
An admin just explained why they don't go over backgroup music but do care about copyright for icons, and it actually makes sense. If a company has an issue with the music, they have to go after the streamer, and can ask to shut down the channel or remove a video, but they don't go after the Twitch, YouTube, etc. Icons are aproved by Twitch, which means any copyright dispute would involve them.
It obviously doesn't excuse the inconsistent way that they review icons and emotes, that's a diferent subject, but they don't forget about those "LoL streamers" just because they have higher numbers. Sure. My point about stream size was more to do with bans. It's easy to ban Werster, because 1k viewers is basically chicken feed. xpeke's 16k, or DreamLeague's 97k peak, is different, and would have been treated differently. If this had started in a different community, Twitch might not have reacted as drastically as they did, and the backlash wouldn't have been as extreme. My sense is that the vast majority of the outrage is over the bans, not the initial emoticon stuff. It's a vicious circle that is currently escalated by both sides. Of course, only one side has the ban-hammer..
Yes, and they're more willing to use it than they might be if it'd started with Snoopeh. Or whoever. Please don't make me explain this point more because I'm running out of League streamers to use as examples. Sadface.
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On November 21 2013 08:02 Kyhron wrote:It BK time doesnt matter until Grunty. That game board literally makes or breaks a run
Furnace Fun is anything but that during speed runs for Stiv.
For those who can't access twitch, use beta.twitch.tv
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On November 21 2013 08:08 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:06 Conti wrote:On November 21 2013 08:04 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On November 21 2013 07:59 SKC wrote:
An admin just explained why they don't go over backgroup music but do care about copyright for icons, and it actually makes sense. If a company has an issue with the music, they have to go after the streamer, and can ask to shut down the channel or remove a video, but they don't go after the Twitch, YouTube, etc. Icons are aproved by Twitch, which means any copyright dispute would involve them.
It obviously doesn't excuse the inconsistent way that they review icons and emotes, that's a diferent subject, but they don't forget about those "LoL streamers" just because they have higher numbers. Sure. My point about stream size was more to do with bans. It's easy to ban Werster, because 1k viewers is basically chicken feed. xpeke's 16k, or DreamLeague's 97k peak, is different, and would have been treated differently. If this had started in a different community, Twitch might not have reacted as drastically as they did, and the backlash wouldn't have been as extreme. My sense is that the vast majority of the outrage is over the bans, not the initial emoticon stuff. It's a vicious circle that is currently escalated by both sides. Of course, only one side has the ban-hammer.. Yes, and they're more willing to use it than they might be if it'd started with Snoopeh. Or whoever. Please don't make me explain this point more because I'm running out of League streamers to use as examples. Sadface.
Well, I dare say there wouldn't have been such a showing of protest in the LoL streamer community if it happened. Though the fanboy-outrage would've been so much worse.. Either way, I hope twitch will unban all these guys again soon and everything'll be back to normal.
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Agreed. Hitbox is a'ight so far but kinda laggy. And I don't like the lack of quality options though that might be on the streamer's end.
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Am I the only person who still uses Nico occasionally?
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Well I dont speak Japanese so I cant do anything on Nico.
But I wouldnt trust Hitbox yet, they have to prove they can sustain themselves, especially with Own3ds CFO in the mix
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So many streamers are being banned over this stupid shit... If you do something irrational to someones friend and NOT expect there to be backlash you are crazy...
Werster lost all his subs over this when he was just banned as an "example" for others to stop...
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