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On April 29 2014 16:15 Zocat wrote:Yes, there is more information available on the client side, but your reason for that is wrong. First of all the whole visibility problem (Can I see object X?) is way easier to solve in a 2D environment compared to a 3D one. The limiting factor in RTS games is the range, while the one in FPS are obstacles. So you have to constantly check what a player is able to see (A 2m wall opens and he suddenly can see 1000m). Another thing is that the client needs information what happens outside his vision. Shadows of a player can be seen, when the player itself is not visibly. Or when he runs/shoots the client needs to know the location (to give the sound a source). Not to mention that FPS have more focus on mechanical skill (reaction time & aim). While automated burrowing roaches & blinking stalkers are quite strong, if you fucked up your macro you're still going to lose. On the other hand if you always headshot a guy within 10ms, you're likely to win against the majority of other players. http://crypto.stanford.edu/~dabo/pubs/papers/onlinegames.pdf is a nice read concerning maphacks in RTS.
Thanks for the legit knowledge and not just me bullshitting.
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On April 29 2014 08:34 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:33 intrigue wrote:
almost 300 mm matches in and i dont think ive experienced ddosing. hackers, while not rare, are also not as numerous as people claim. i dunno man i get those random spikes to 300-400 every now and then too, i think it's more likely shitty servers/something with my own connection than anything else Hackers are very common in higher ranks so you saying they aren't as numerous as people claim is a pretty pointless statement considering you aren't stating your rank, and if your rank is low then that would explain your statement.
I think Intrigue is like badge (DMG) or something. I don't have him in my friends list but I joined a friends party the other day and he was in it. I was the 6th man so I got booted though, lol 
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Yes hackers are very common...even in master guardian level...had wallhackers actually admitting that they are wallhacking (or their own team mates begging them to stop doing it...)...with accounts that only have a few hours on it...its kinda obvious when they got 4-5 guys at A long....or at B every single time...deploying smoke and then headshotting trough it. Or headshotting you every single time when you are hiding behind a box...just a single shot...ofcourse crazy shit like that can happen...but not if it happens nearly every single round.
Its kinda sad because the game is really great.
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I'm DoubleAK/DMG in EU at the moment. I've seen clear cheaters maybe once in 20 or 25 games or so. Obviously every case is one too many, but it's not ruining my gaming enjoyment or anything. I'm much more bothered about all the nuisance with non-english-speaking folks and griefers than the cheaters.
Now that the demos are higher tickrate, it might be possible to spot more aimbots and such though. So far most of the easily detectable cases have been wallhackers.
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There are cheaters at high ranks, I don't think anyone would argue that but it is not as numerous as most people think. To many people start to lose a match because the other team is just better or because they aren't playing well themselves. Instead of focusing on getting better and understanding why are you are losing. It's easier to blame it on cheats.
I'd say cheating is such a small fraction of the game that even if it happens just play it out the best you can. Work on getting better, and report the individuals that you think are. All you can do
DMG Here. Still really bad at this game
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Damn I played 3 games today with a friend and a guy abandoned each game, as soon as the warmup in the second -.- So freaking annoying coupled with people that will do their shit regardless of what the team calls..
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Frankly, I do my fair share of crying hacks every now and then but on the grand scale of things walling and aim assistance is not that big of a deal. Okay it ruins my one game, you can live. Destroying my connection so I get competitive cd and all that is some bullshit.
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On April 29 2014 16:24 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 08:34 SyNc` wrote:On April 29 2014 07:33 intrigue wrote:
almost 300 mm matches in and i dont think ive experienced ddosing. hackers, while not rare, are also not as numerous as people claim. i dunno man i get those random spikes to 300-400 every now and then too, i think it's more likely shitty servers/something with my own connection than anything else Hackers are very common in higher ranks so you saying they aren't as numerous as people claim is a pretty pointless statement considering you aren't stating your rank, and if your rank is low then that would explain your statement. I think Intrigue is like badge (DMG) or something. I don't have him in my friends list but I joined a friends party the other day and he was in it. I was the 6th man so I got booted though, lol
Yeah I figured. I didn't mean for that post to come off as a flame, probably just worded it poorly.
Honestly if anyone is legendary eagle or above there is no point in matchmaking unless you have 3-4 friends you want to play with. ESEA is the way to go at that point, although everyone there has the ego of a pro player and talks shit to everyone.
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Ego of a pro player is not a good statement. How many pro players have an ego similar to the people you're describing? Most pros seem to not be so egotistical.
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On April 30 2014 04:17 Tennet wrote:
Ego of a pro player is not a good statement. How many pro players have an ego similar to the people you're describing? Most pros seem to not be so egotistical.
Well most people in the fps community have misplaced egos so its not something you find rarely. Lots of pros have huge egos but they keep to themselves and don't ever post on forums so you don't get to see it. Either way you're going to meet people like this in mm but at least on esea there aren't many cheaters.
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What is ESEA? I'm guessing you need a team to play there?
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No, ESEA is a third party site that runs cheat-protected servers that only members can play on (subscription based). As well running team leagues and stuff as well yes.
Play.esea.net is their site apparently. They offer pretty good stat-tracking etc and have invite-tournaments and stuff for the good players. Its where good players play basically.
I think it's NA based though? not sure what EU players do but most of the ESEA things I've seen seem to be NA.
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Does anyone know what the console command is to give a certain player on the server a certain amount of money?
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On April 30 2014 05:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
No, ESEA is a third party site that runs cheat-protected servers that only members can play on (subscription based). As well running team leagues and stuff as well yes.
Play.esea.net is their site apparently. They offer pretty good stat-tracking etc and have invite-tournaments and stuff for the good players. Its where good players play basically.
I think it's NA based though? not sure what EU players do but most of the ESEA things I've seen seem to be NA.
It is NA based, but you have alternative if you are a EU player, like altPUG and leetway (they are free too afaik).
ESEA offer a good service I think (never tried myself), but I would never trust them after the stuff they did with their bitcoin mining, way too shady.
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ESEA's a site where basically all the best players would play.
They've been around since 2005 or so and was the only option for NA players to play 1.6 after the CS scene kind of died out/moved to EU. CEVO (another similar site) has been coming back up though.
Both run leagues separated by skill levels for teams to play in. The divisions are separated (from lowest skill to highest skill) into Open, Intermediate, Main, and Invite. The leagues run for several weeks followed by playoffs and depending on results, teams get moved up the divisions. ESEA also has an EU section too, so EU teams can play vs EU teams.
The main thing of importance for those without teams though, are the pug servers they have. With the client, you can join pugs to play competitive multiplayer games on 128 tick servers and using tournament established rules (ie. round time is 1:45, bomb time is 35s).
Ofc, this all comes at a price, to play the pugs, you have to subscribe to ESEA premium, which is $7/month. It hasn't actually changed much from 2005 or when it first came out. I remember it being about that price back then too.
Anyways, the client has a bunch of stuff, like server browsers, stat tracking, anti-cheat, and + Show Spoiler +
It's not all without some bad rep though. I've seen ESEA been regarded as a bunch of elitists and other stuff, and they've had some scandals about using everyone's computer as bitcoin miners. But, they're pretty much the only option if you want to play at the highest tier for CS. From what I've heard, many who play on ESEA are Eagle+ ranks.
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On April 30 2014 06:21 Nagisama wrote:ESEA's a site where basically all the best players would play. They've been around since 2005 or so and was the only option for NA players to play 1.6 after the CS scene kind of died out/moved to EU. CEVO (another similar site) has been coming back up though. Both run leagues separated by skill levels for teams to play in. The divisions are separated (from lowest skill to highest skill) into Open, Intermediate, Main, and Invite. The leagues run for several weeks followed by playoffs and depending on results, teams get moved up the divisions. ESEA also has an EU section too, so EU teams can play vs EU teams. The main thing of importance for those without teams though, are the pug servers they have. With the client, you can join pugs to play competitive multiplayer games on 128 tick servers and using tournament established rules (ie. round time is 1:45, bomb time is 35s). Ofc, this all comes at a price, to play the pugs, you have to subscribe to ESEA premium, which is $7/month. It hasn't actually changed much from 2005 or when it first came out. I remember it being about that price back then too. Anyways, the client has a bunch of stuff, like server browsers, stat tracking, anti-cheat, and + Show Spoiler +It's not all without some bad rep though. I've seen ESEA been regarded as a bunch of elitists and other stuff, and they've had some scandals about using everyone's computer as bitcoin miners. But, they're pretty much the only option if you want to play at the highest tier for CS. From what I've heard, many who play on ESEA are Eagle+ ranks.
There is a huge influx of players on esea that come from matchmaking that are plaguing the pugs because they shouldn't be on esea. These are people that are extremely new to the game and just can't keep up at all. If you are legendary eagle or above then it is a good place to go to if you are looking to improve and play competitively. If you are a lower rank then you might struggle on esea but as long as you communicate with people and try to improve instead of just troll then you can still benefit from it.
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Cool, thanks for the thorough answers.
I'm trying to improve. I've been seriously playing for 2-3 weeks only though, so I'm not good enough to play there obviously. But sounds like a cool option once I hit DMG or higher.
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On April 30 2014 06:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
I bet google knows
No, it doesn't, and if you don't have anything useful to say keep it to yourself.
I've searched through the lists of all console commands so the command is probably something that does more than just give money (for instance it could be "give" for all I know).
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It's not possible with a direct command afaik.
You can try setting mp_startmoney to the specific amount and let the person join before resetting it back to 800.
Overall 16k money is impulse 101, but you probably know that one.
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