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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
October 12 2013 02:24 GMT
#10141
fuck I'm rusty. Died to blue goat shock novas T_T
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 12 2013 04:36 GMT
#10142
WOHHHHHHH what is this Scion class?

Finally something that appeals to me :D
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50978 Posts
October 12 2013 04:39 GMT
#10143
On October 12 2013 13:36 Sufficiency wrote:
WOHHHHHHH what is this Scion class?

Finally something that appeals to me :D


jack of all trades
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 12 2013 04:46 GMT
#10144
On October 12 2013 13:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 13:36 Sufficiency wrote:
WOHHHHHHH what is this Scion class?

Finally something that appeals to me :D


jack of all trades


I meant sex appeal. But carry on....
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50978 Posts
October 12 2013 05:04 GMT
#10145
On October 12 2013 13:46 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 13:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 12 2013 13:36 Sufficiency wrote:
WOHHHHHHH what is this Scion class?

Finally something that appeals to me :D


jack of all trades


I meant sex appeal. But carry on....


daughter of 'corrupt' nobles...
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 12 2013 05:28 GMT
#10146
On October 12 2013 14:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 13:46 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 12 2013 13:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 12 2013 13:36 Sufficiency wrote:
WOHHHHHHH what is this Scion class?

Finally something that appeals to me :D


jack of all trades


I meant sex appeal. But carry on....


daughter of 'corrupt' nobles...


OH MMYYYYY
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
October 12 2013 07:37 GMT
#10147
So I'm trying to get into the game again but I hate playing games like this with a proper guide or idea of what I'm going for.

Any recommendations for a build (preferrably something like Duelist or Shadow) I can go through the game with somewhat independent from gear/trading?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 07:57:16
October 12 2013 07:45 GMT
#10148
What skills are the top Witches using for races? Almost another win for a Witch (got cought up the last 2 mins). I remember Witches were pretty bad not long ago.

Is it Lightning Trap that made them stronger? I like Ice Nova a lot but killing bosses with Witch always takes too much time for my taste, which is why I like playing Marauder.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 09:50:56
October 12 2013 09:50 GMT
#10149
On October 12 2013 16:37 FliedLice wrote:
So I'm trying to get into the game again but I hate playing games like this with a proper guide or idea of what I'm going for.

Any recommendations for a build (preferrably something like Duelist or Shadow) I can go through the game with somewhat independent from gear/trading?

Depends on what kind of character you'd like to play. Do you want to play a melee char (tanky or dps), ranged bow char, or a spell caster of sorts? Then I can suggest some stuff. There's a lot of class flexibility so it comes down more so to the skills you want to use.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 13:17:11
October 12 2013 13:16 GMT
#10150
On October 11 2013 21:56 zdfgucker wrote:
I'm referring to guys like me that grind Lunaris 3. Solo, no multiboxing, no maps, nada. GGG is catering for people who play maps (and they sort of encourage multiboxing) and slap people like me in the face. They should just put a hardcap for overall MF and keep both IIQ and IIR as-is.

@bluQ, let me guess, "high level areas" will be map content? That's probably the case considering the path GGG has chosen.

We don't know yet how they readjust the level of areas.
They emphazize that you should play in partys, so yea if you are looking for a single player game and compare that to the multiplayer part of it, sure you will maybe not "as good" as those dudes playing in partys.
But i never understood why you always need to measure urself with others ... and if you do, why pick a totally different group of people that don't even represent you, to compare yourself to.
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
October 12 2013 15:00 GMT
#10151
On October 12 2013 16:45 HolydaKing wrote:
What skills are the top Witches using for races? Almost another win for a Witch (got cought up the last 2 mins). I remember Witches were pretty bad not long ago.

Is it Lightning Trap that made them stronger? I like Ice Nova a lot but killing bosses with Witch always takes too much time for my taste, which is why I like playing Marauder.


Just ice nova, fp and firetrap. Rhox is farming Church dungeon 1 and 2. They lose alot of time killing bosses, because their single target sucks, but a leveled ice nova allows you to farm faster than any other class, because of it's insane AoE.

Witch is obviously the hardest class, I wouldn't ever want to play Witch because I'd definitely rip to merveil or brutus, but I watched Rhox's vod and I don't think any other class can clear church dungeon as fast as Witch, with maybe the exception of leap slam duelist.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 12 2013 17:33 GMT
#10152
On October 13 2013 00:00 SlixSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 16:45 HolydaKing wrote:
What skills are the top Witches using for races? Almost another win for a Witch (got cought up the last 2 mins). I remember Witches were pretty bad not long ago.

Is it Lightning Trap that made them stronger? I like Ice Nova a lot but killing bosses with Witch always takes too much time for my taste, which is why I like playing Marauder.


Just ice nova, fp and firetrap. Rhox is farming Church dungeon 1 and 2. They lose alot of time killing bosses, because their single target sucks, but a leveled ice nova allows you to farm faster than any other class, because of it's insane AoE.

Witch is obviously the hardest class, I wouldn't ever want to play Witch because I'd definitely rip to merveil or brutus, but I watched Rhox's vod and I don't think any other class can clear church dungeon as fast as Witch, with maybe the exception of leap slam duelist.

Ok, thanks for the explanation. I saw Rhox post in the last race where he got 3rd and wow he had godlike equip. Not sure if that's also a must to make a top finishing as Witch.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
October 12 2013 18:16 GMT
#10153
On October 12 2013 18:50 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 16:37 FliedLice wrote:
So I'm trying to get into the game again but I hate playing games like this with a proper guide or idea of what I'm going for.

Any recommendations for a build (preferrably something like Duelist or Shadow) I can go through the game with somewhat independent from gear/trading?

Depends on what kind of character you'd like to play. Do you want to play a melee char (tanky or dps), ranged bow char, or a spell caster of sorts? Then I can suggest some stuff. There's a lot of class flexibility so it comes down more so to the skills you want to use.


Well I used to play some sort of Ethereal Knives shadow before. It was pretty fun but at some point I felt it just got too gear dependant (maybe that's just me).

I was thinking of some dual wielding melee char. I won't be playing HC so it doesn't have to the safest build of all time. I just want something to get me through the game that let's me farm some items somewhat comfortably in the later stages.

Actually I'm relatively open about classes, I'd even play some bow ranger or something, I'm just not a fan of pure spellcasters.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 12 2013 18:34 GMT
#10154
You're better off picking the skill gems you want to use than a class or some vague idea like bow ranger (for instance, there are several ways to play a bow ranger; explosive arrow, rain of arrows, LA, etc). Class choice is going to be silly before the passive tree rework goes live, although I imagine intuitive choices will be safe for starting out if you aren't planning on optimizing your build.

With the passive tree being reworked significantly you can only do so much planning before the 1.0 patch goes live.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
October 12 2013 18:37 GMT
#10155
They're reworking it again?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 18:43:16
October 12 2013 18:41 GMT
#10156
On October 13 2013 03:37 FliedLice wrote:
They're reworking it again?


The Scion is being added to the middle which is going to break a lot of current builds and GGG stated that some keystone passives are being moved. Full skill reset for all at 1.0 patch.

Chris said in the raptor Q&A that the passive tree on the official website pulls from the live client so we won't have the new tree until the patch goes live.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
zdfgucker
Profile Joined August 2011
China594 Posts
October 12 2013 19:32 GMT
#10157
On October 12 2013 22:16 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 21:56 zdfgucker wrote:
I'm referring to guys like me that grind Lunaris 3. Solo, no multiboxing, no maps, nada. GGG is catering for people who play maps (and they sort of encourage multiboxing) and slap people like me in the face. They should just put a hardcap for overall MF and keep both IIQ and IIR as-is.

@bluQ, let me guess, "high level areas" will be map content? That's probably the case considering the path GGG has chosen.

We don't know yet how they readjust the level of areas.
They emphazize that you should play in partys, so yea if you are looking for a single player game and compare that to the multiplayer part of it, sure you will maybe not "as good" as those dudes playing in partys.
But i never understood why you always need to measure urself with others ... and if you do, why pick a totally different group of people that don't even represent you, to compare yourself to.


Because I'm competitive. I don't want to be forced into one direction and especially not play parties when every-fucking-thing in this game is causing desync and lag. When others with far shittier gear can get better results, something's wrong.

Anyway, I'm pretty pissed about 1.0 . I will have to reroll completely as my build goes through the middle (aka I can only play scion now) and the new leagues are dead to me. Should the IIQ change come to the normal leagues in 4.5 months I will quit the game.
fLDm
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 00:38:13
October 13 2013 00:33 GMT
#10158
On October 13 2013 04:32 zdfgucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 22:16 bluQ wrote:
On October 11 2013 21:56 zdfgucker wrote:
I'm referring to guys like me that grind Lunaris 3. Solo, no multiboxing, no maps, nada. GGG is catering for people who play maps (and they sort of encourage multiboxing) and slap people like me in the face. They should just put a hardcap for overall MF and keep both IIQ and IIR as-is.

@bluQ, let me guess, "high level areas" will be map content? That's probably the case considering the path GGG has chosen.

We don't know yet how they readjust the level of areas.
They emphazize that you should play in partys, so yea if you are looking for a single player game and compare that to the multiplayer part of it, sure you will maybe not "as good" as those dudes playing in partys.
But i never understood why you always need to measure urself with others ... and if you do, why pick a totally different group of people that don't even represent you, to compare yourself to.


Because I'm competitive. I don't want to be forced into one direction and especially not play parties when every-fucking-thing in this game is causing desync and lag. When others with far shittier gear can get better results, something's wrong.

Anyway, I'm pretty pissed about 1.0 . I will have to reroll completely as my build goes through the middle (aka I can only play scion now) and the new leagues are dead to me. Should the IIQ change come to the normal leagues in 4.5 months I will quit the game.


Can you define competitive? Outside of racing there really is no competitive aspect in PoE. Sure you have the league ladders, but come on.. if your definition of being competitive means grinding for 12 hours a day I'd rather not be competitive.

I can appreciate Baker hitting lvl 100 for example, he obviously put alot of time and effort into it, but that's kind of my point. In league ladders it's all about the amount of time you put into it, not really about your skill. At least I personally wouldn't use the word "competitive" in such a vague context, where the amount of time spent outweighs the skill required by such a huge factor.

With dual spork and enough time on your hands, the only question really is "do you have enough time to get to 100?" and not "are you good enough to hit lvl 100."

Personally, if anything, it's the fact that totems even exist in this game that ruins the actual game for me. That's part of the reason why I only play races. Because, not only, would I have to put in alot of time to be somewhere near the top, you actually have to play a totem build (preferably dual spork) to guarantee that nothing ever kills you. Put up two totems and chill, that to me personally, defies everything that ARPGs are about. It's in the word itself "action RPG" and not "click two buttons every 10 seconds and just sit behind a totem for the rest of the time RPG".
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 00:39:20
October 13 2013 00:38 GMT
#10159
On October 13 2013 09:33 SlixSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 04:32 zdfgucker wrote:
On October 12 2013 22:16 bluQ wrote:
On October 11 2013 21:56 zdfgucker wrote:
I'm referring to guys like me that grind Lunaris 3. Solo, no multiboxing, no maps, nada. GGG is catering for people who play maps (and they sort of encourage multiboxing) and slap people like me in the face. They should just put a hardcap for overall MF and keep both IIQ and IIR as-is.

@bluQ, let me guess, "high level areas" will be map content? That's probably the case considering the path GGG has chosen.

We don't know yet how they readjust the level of areas.
They emphazize that you should play in partys, so yea if you are looking for a single player game and compare that to the multiplayer part of it, sure you will maybe not "as good" as those dudes playing in partys.
But i never understood why you always need to measure urself with others ... and if you do, why pick a totally different group of people that don't even represent you, to compare yourself to.


Because I'm competitive. I don't want to be forced into one direction and especially not play parties when every-fucking-thing in this game is causing desync and lag. When others with far shittier gear can get better results, something's wrong.

Anyway, I'm pretty pissed about 1.0 . I will have to reroll completely as my build goes through the middle (aka I can only play scion now) and the new leagues are dead to me. Should the IIQ change come to the normal leagues in 4.5 months I will quit the game.


Can you define competitive? Outside of racing there really is no competitive aspect in PoE. Sure you have the league ladders, but come on.. if your definition of being competitive means grinding for 12 hours a day I'd rather not be competitive.

I can appreciate Baker hitting lvl 100 for example, he obviously put alot of time and effort into it, but that's kind of my point. In league ladders it's all about the amount of time you put into it, not really about your skill. At least I personally wouldn't use the word "competitive" in such a vague context, where the amount of time spent outweighs the skill required by such a huge factor.

With dual spork and enough time on your hands, the only question really is "do you have enough time to get to 100?" and not "are you good enough to hit lvl 100."

Personally, if anything, it's the fact that totems even exist in this game that ruins the actual game for me. That's part of the reason why I only play races. Because, not only, would I have to put in alot of time to be somewhere near the top, you actually have to play a totem build (preferably dual spork) to guarantee that nothing ever kills you. Put up two totems and chill, that to me personally, defies everything that ARPGs are about. It's in the word itself "action RPG" and not "click two buttons every 10 seconds and just sit behind a totem for the rest of the time RPG".


I don't mean to be a dick, but...

If you want competitive, SC2/DOTA/LOL is that way ----->

It's absurd to talk about "competitive" for a RPG game. RPG games are about fun.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
October 13 2013 00:44 GMT
#10160
On October 13 2013 09:38 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 09:33 SlixSC wrote:
On October 13 2013 04:32 zdfgucker wrote:
On October 12 2013 22:16 bluQ wrote:
On October 11 2013 21:56 zdfgucker wrote:
I'm referring to guys like me that grind Lunaris 3. Solo, no multiboxing, no maps, nada. GGG is catering for people who play maps (and they sort of encourage multiboxing) and slap people like me in the face. They should just put a hardcap for overall MF and keep both IIQ and IIR as-is.

@bluQ, let me guess, "high level areas" will be map content? That's probably the case considering the path GGG has chosen.

We don't know yet how they readjust the level of areas.
They emphazize that you should play in partys, so yea if you are looking for a single player game and compare that to the multiplayer part of it, sure you will maybe not "as good" as those dudes playing in partys.
But i never understood why you always need to measure urself with others ... and if you do, why pick a totally different group of people that don't even represent you, to compare yourself to.


Because I'm competitive. I don't want to be forced into one direction and especially not play parties when every-fucking-thing in this game is causing desync and lag. When others with far shittier gear can get better results, something's wrong.

Anyway, I'm pretty pissed about 1.0 . I will have to reroll completely as my build goes through the middle (aka I can only play scion now) and the new leagues are dead to me. Should the IIQ change come to the normal leagues in 4.5 months I will quit the game.


Can you define competitive? Outside of racing there really is no competitive aspect in PoE. Sure you have the league ladders, but come on.. if your definition of being competitive means grinding for 12 hours a day I'd rather not be competitive.

I can appreciate Baker hitting lvl 100 for example, he obviously put alot of time and effort into it, but that's kind of my point. In league ladders it's all about the amount of time you put into it, not really about your skill. At least I personally wouldn't use the word "competitive" in such a vague context, where the amount of time spent outweighs the skill required by such a huge factor.

With dual spork and enough time on your hands, the only question really is "do you have enough time to get to 100?" and not "are you good enough to hit lvl 100."

Personally, if anything, it's the fact that totems even exist in this game that ruins the actual game for me. That's part of the reason why I only play races. Because, not only, would I have to put in alot of time to be somewhere near the top, you actually have to play a totem build (preferably dual spork) to guarantee that nothing ever kills you. Put up two totems and chill, that to me personally, defies everything that ARPGs are about. It's in the word itself "action RPG" and not "click two buttons every 10 seconds and just sit behind a totem for the rest of the time RPG".


I don't mean to be a dick, but...

If you want competitive, SC2/DOTA/LOL is that way ----->

It's absurd to talk about "competitive" for a RPG game. RPG games are about fun.


Races are very competitive. You have defined your own argument in such a way that makes it necessarily true. Can't argue with that logic.
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