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kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
August 11 2011 01:10 GMT
#181
USA USA! Let's see what this German coach can do!
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
August 11 2011 11:25 GMT
#182
Nasri on the way out in the next couple hours supposedly, Arsenal so fucked this season

Reminder since the season starts this weekend, I've set up a fantasy league on www.premierleague.com and the code is 268378-275428, the league isn't looking particularly packed at the moment and I would've expected more people so come on!
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
August 11 2011 11:37 GMT
#183
Seems like La Liga will start 2 weeks late since there's possible a 2 week strike going on by players.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
August 11 2011 12:59 GMT
#184
On August 11 2011 20:25 Lyter wrote:
Nasri on the way out in the next couple hours supposedly, Arsenal so fucked this season

Reminder since the season starts this weekend, I've set up a fantasy league on www.premierleague.com and the code is 268378-275428, the league isn't looking particularly packed at the moment and I would've expected more people so come on!

ask a mod to add this info to the OP
Tx3Fate
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States15 Posts
August 11 2011 14:43 GMT
#185
The US looked terrible in the first half, but definitely bounced back in the second. Shea was the pleasant surprise of the night, although with his recent form in MLS I shouldn't have been too surprised. And Klinsmann is going to be great for us... the energy he brings to the game is contagious, especially compared to BB. I can't wait to see what he does this qualifying cycle!
"As these guys always tell me, you can take the boy out of Jersey but you can’t take Jersey out of the boy" -Peter Vermes
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
August 11 2011 17:31 GMT
#186
Wegner is seriously considering Kagawa for Arsenal, but going from Dortmund to Arsenal is a serious step down at this point.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
August 11 2011 21:06 GMT
#187
Cesc to Barcelona seems like a done deal for 40M. In the other hand seems like Nasri wants out after just 1 year? thats just disrispectful he should show respect for the club that bought him and gave him the exposure and to mature
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 21:16:31
August 11 2011 21:15 GMT
#188
On August 12 2011 06:06 ilj.psa wrote:
Cesc to Barcelona seems like a done deal for 40M. In the other hand seems like Nasri wants out after just 1 year? thats just disrispectful he should show respect for the club that bought him and gave him the exposure and to mature

Well technically Nasri has been at Arsenal for 3 years, but his reputation has only really been high after last season. In the end, it all comes down to money - Man City will offer him much higher wages and given that the two teams are roughly even in strength, he wants to move to Man City (allegedly). In the end, like Assou-Ekotto said, footballers are just professionals trying to get the best for themselves. Most aren't too concerned with the notion of club loyalty if they can double their pay elsewhere.

Speaking about ridiculous amounts of money, the Russian team Anzhi also seem to be looking for huge transfer deals. Having already bought Zhirkov from Chelsea for £13.2 million (which probably overvalued him given his relative lack of playing time), there are intense rumors that Eto'o will be moving there as well with possible wages of £300,000 a month. Not sure how true these rumors are, but seeing them across multiple sources shows there is at least a hint of truth that Anzhi contacted Eto'o.
Freaky[x]
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada995 Posts
August 11 2011 21:48 GMT
#189
In Nasri's case, it's not only about money. There are multiple problems. One of the biggest ones is his agent hates wenger because of the fact that wenger brought him down in france ~18 years ago in a match fixing scandel there. A lot of people respect wenger but nasri's agent must hate him.

Also Nasri got offered a very good contract extension at arsenal (allegedly around 115k pounds/week) but declined it until he sees the teams "ambition" in the market place. The problem is that Arsenal were bound by both Nasri and Cesc's situation and are getting fucked.

No offense to fabregas, but he basically fucked over arsenal financially if he is gone for less than 45-50M pounds (not euros... ). They say he asked to be transfered directly to Barcelona without handing in a transfer request. Now Arsenal unfortunately are not assholes and EVEN though has still has 4 years on his contract, they didn't force him to ask for a transfer request.

The reason this would be advantageous for Arsenal is because it would start a bidding war and FORCE Barcelona to shell out what he's really worth. I mean I'm sure Inter and Real wouldn't mind spilling ~50-55 M euros on somebody of Fabregas's stature.

Also, this is a HUGE problem for arsenal. Fabregas wasn't really training with the team until recently in preseason, but the entire preseason has been somewhat lost (minus fitness level). The chemistry and w/e it is is truly lost now. There is nothing to keep the group together. And what's even worse is that the eventual replacement of these two are bound to come from an outside source which doesn't help because it takes time for teammates to "gel"

Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 22:52:31
August 11 2011 22:50 GMT
#190
yep, i agree with freaky. fabrecunt is being such a vagine, "whaaaaaaa whaaaaa i wanna go home". was he crying to go home in 2004 when barca were dogshit?

EDIT: And he's fucking over the entire arsenal team by leaving so late in the transfer window. the 4-3-3 arsenal system is based around him for fucks sake. That's why arsenal's 2nd string team look so shite, because they're playing a system that brings the most out of fabregas, without fabregas!
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
August 11 2011 23:00 GMT
#191
On August 11 2011 20:37 Zhiroo wrote:
Seems like La Liga will start 2 weeks late since there's possible a 2 week strike going on by players.


I hope not, I wan't to see the 2 candidates at the title soon to see how things shape up, also if either Madrid or Barça make it far in the UCL, La Liga and UCL will be in the middle of action at the same time with no clear winner yet, and will take lot of physical endurance by both teams, lets hope it starts in time.
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 11 2011 23:25 GMT
#192
I'd like to see Diaby leave too, him, Denilson, and Bendtner never should've made it to the first team. With Song/Ramsey/Wilshire Arsenal will still have a nice midfield core after Fabregas and Nasri leave. I do hope they actually use the money to buy some big names instead of keep promising signings. Funny to see Aguero reject Chelsea during winter time but bolt to City the first chance he gets. City will never win any silverware no matter how much money they spend.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 11 2011 23:37 GMT
#193
On August 12 2011 07:50 Vin{MBL} wrote:
yep, i agree with freaky. fabrecunt is being such a vagine, "whaaaaaaa whaaaaa i wanna go home". was he crying to go home in 2004 when barca were dogshit?

EDIT: And he's fucking over the entire arsenal team by leaving so late in the transfer window. the 4-3-3 arsenal system is based around him for fucks sake. That's why arsenal's 2nd string team look so shite, because they're playing a system that brings the most out of fabregas, without fabregas!


I think it's more Barca being complete douches refusing to pay Arsenal what Fabregas is worth, knowing they have the upperhand and can just keep unsettling Fabregas more and more until Arsenal gives in. Compared to C.Ronaldo's transfer to Real, both players were heavily courted over the course of multiple seasons, but Real was somewhat more respectful and came up with the money without whining about the price tag everyday. Looks like even the very best English teams can only buy from France/Holland/Portugal, or outcasts from similar stature European teams. No one leaves Barca/Real unless they're not wanted, the premiership has become a feeder league.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
August 12 2011 01:41 GMT
#194
Arsenal should go for Eriksen , or even Hazard to replace Fabregas. I can't believe with fabregas leaving Arsenal didn't bid for Ander Herrera , he cost Athetic just like 3M and he's as good as fabregas was at 19 imo.
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
August 12 2011 02:11 GMT
#195
To be honest, Wegner's managing style has backfired on him. He has a tendency to get rid of older players all at once, while bringing in the youth all at the same time. I recall Fabregas having an interview where he said that he really valued learning from the veterans like Henry, Viera, but now he's the leader and he doesn't have anyone to rely on (at only 24 years old). You compare that to United, which had a more staggered release of older players, and you have guys like Rooney seek guidance from the old guard (Giggs, Scholes). If both Fabregas and Nasri leave, Wegner is going to have a team of infants with no leadership at all
Freaky[x]
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada995 Posts
August 12 2011 02:21 GMT
#196
that's what happens when you move to a new stadium and you don't have the backing of the board (through Dein) like you used to = lack of funds.

Also, last year, you can clearly see that the supporters at home sucked balls after the birmingham disaster =\
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 12 2011 02:56 GMT
#197
On August 12 2011 06:48 Freaky[x] wrote:


The reason this would be advantageous for Arsenal is because it would start a bidding war and FORCE Barcelona to shell out what he's really worth. I mean I'm sure Inter and Real wouldn't mind spilling ~50-55 M euros on somebody of Fabregas's stature.



Inter doesnt have any money, they are selling etoo and trying to get rid of sneider.. theyre actually also struggling to make fair play..

Real Madrid might have the money but they are not stupid.. they already have way more depth than they need. They do not need Fabregas.

If he was ever going to go anywhere it was going to be Barcelona.. for how much and when was the only issue.. and frankly Barcelona dont need him desperately.. they just want him desperately.. it almost seems silly but seems like closure is finally around the corner..
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 12 2011 03:02 GMT
#198
On August 12 2011 08:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 07:50 Vin{MBL} wrote:
yep, i agree with freaky. fabrecunt is being such a vagine, "whaaaaaaa whaaaaa i wanna go home". was he crying to go home in 2004 when barca were dogshit?

EDIT: And he's fucking over the entire arsenal team by leaving so late in the transfer window. the 4-3-3 arsenal system is based around him for fucks sake. That's why arsenal's 2nd string team look so shite, because they're playing a system that brings the most out of fabregas, without fabregas!


I think it's more Barca being complete douches refusing to pay Arsenal what Fabregas is worth, knowing they have the upperhand and can just keep unsettling Fabregas more and more until Arsenal gives in. Compared to C.Ronaldo's transfer to Real, both players were heavily courted over the course of multiple seasons, but Real was somewhat more respectful and came up with the money without whining about the price tag everyday. Looks like even the very best English teams can only buy from France/Holland/Portugal, or outcasts from similar stature European teams. No one leaves Barca/Real unless they're not wanted, the premiership has become a feeder league.


Ronaldo at the time was the best player in the world and by quite a bit.. everyone needs that.. Fabregas is not, again reiterating if they needed him desperately theyd have paid, but why shouldnt they haggle for someone that they could do without for another couple of years ? What does Arsenals situation have to do with them ? Is it their problem that they havent won diddly squat and disillusioned their players ?

He wants to go to a team that wants him but at a price they can pay realistically without making it a problem for themselves.. the markets are so inflated why shouldnt they be prudent or try to be ?
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 12 2011 05:04 GMT
#199
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 12 2011 10:11 GMT
#200
lol wenger: "I expect no one to leave." Why call a press conference at all
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