• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:08
CET 23:08
KST 07:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview11Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)38
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 KSL Week 85 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open!
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? BW General Discussion [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Let's Get Creative–Video Gam…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1839 users

Smash Bros. Melee General Discussion - Page 80

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 78 79 80 81 82 188 Next
We have created an irc channel (#tl-smash on Quakenet) for people to find others to play with on Dolphin or just to chat about Smash. Feel free to join!
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 03:39:54
April 17 2014 03:34 GMT
#1581
On April 17 2014 12:26 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 08:11 Zoler wrote:
My opinions as a high level player:

Falcon is really good. Obviously he is at a great disadvantage vs characters like fox and falco but at this point in the meta game the disadvantages isn't big enough to make him nonviable. In the future this might be the case, if people always get perfect punishes all the time and never gets hit by falcon.

Puff is really good vs every character but has a hard time on stages like FD and PS vs a Fox that decides to play really campy. The matchup is almost even if the Fox player never lasers.

Luigi is underrated. Jabreset into up-b is like playing puff.

Marth is secretly amazing (as in top 2 in the game amazing).

Never listen to anything M2K says regarding matchups.


I know there is a questions thread, but seeing as you alluded to it, what exactly is a jab reset? Or, say, a double jump cancel (I've heard it talked about with Ness).

Speaking of which, I really like Ness. It's a shame the consensus is that he's shit. I'm sure it's the case, but he's fun to play with and who doesn't love PK Thunder and his bat?


When someone has missed their tech and is lying flat on the ground after being hit, you can "reset" them with a weak move, often a jab but doable with things like Falco lasers. When that happens you can either get a true jab reset, which forces the character to stand up in place after being hit, or ... well I dunno what the other one is called, I guess fraud jab reset lol. Anyway the other one makes them get up or roll whatever way their control stick currently is. It's dependent on the strength of the "jab" and the percentages.
^ i'm not 100% sure on this information but i think that's how it works. it might just be everything is percent dependent and has nothing to do with true/fraudulent jab resets though, lol

Double jump cancel is doable by Ness, Peach, Mewtwo, and Yoshi. During these characters' double jumps they sort of dip lower in altitude briefly before actually going higher. If you attack during this dip they'll fall downward and rapidly change aerial momentum. If you do it after the dip it cancels some or all of the remaining altitude you could have gotten had you not attacked. Except for in Mewtwo's special case where there's a few frames near the peak of his jump where doing a move actually gives you extra altitude (this is why Taj/M2K bair or uair for no reason at the peaks of their jumps).
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 17 2014 19:09 GMT
#1582
Samox (guy who made the doc) is planning on making a feature length film of Armada. Not bad.

Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
April 17 2014 20:29 GMT
#1583
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eastpointpictures/the-smash-brothers-armada
This is our town, scrub
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
April 17 2014 20:40 GMT
#1584
already gave $25 Armada #1

(though hmm I'd rather have PP #1; gotta have that NC pride. luckily this funds a PP episode as well)
Writer
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-18 03:02:38
April 18 2014 00:31 GMT
#1585
Curse picks up Hungrybox :0

JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
April 18 2014 00:37 GMT
#1586
On April 18 2014 05:40 ]343[ wrote:
already gave $25 Armada #1

(though hmm I'd rather have PP #1; gotta have that NC pride. luckily this funds a PP episode as well)

oh man imagine that..

the smash brothers
DR. PEEPEE
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
April 18 2014 00:49 GMT
#1587
Dayum Curse with Hungry Box and Chillindude. I like liquid entering the scene like they did in dota 2 with people who already had tl ties, but I'm kind of hoping they pick up a couple more players.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
sambo400
Profile Joined March 2011
United States378 Posts
April 18 2014 04:08 GMT
#1588
Idra was pretty much right about all the sc2 balance whining he did. When the game came out, zerg was not playable on the initial maps, and he was still beating players like MVP and making GSLs.

Melee players don't whine about the game in a serious tone. We all know it's not going to change lol.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 18 2014 06:11 GMT
#1589
I just picked up Melee for the first time in 4-5 years. I used to play super casually and suck but it is really cool to read all this stuff about the competitive scene and actually try to play well. Currently settling on who to play and I've been rotating Sheik/Marth/Captain Falcon. It's good fun! I've been playing with the guys that run Smash tourneys here at Temple and getting rekt but I am learning.

Sorry this post has no point but Smash is awesome :D
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Reuental
Profile Joined July 2009
United States457 Posts
April 18 2014 06:14 GMT
#1590
On April 18 2014 13:08 sambo400 wrote:
Idra was pretty much right about all the sc2 balance whining he did. When the game came out, zerg was not playable on the initial maps, and he was still beating players like MVP and making GSLs.

Melee players don't whine about the game in a serious tone. We all know it's not going to change lol.


I believe most of us are referring to the silly stuff he said about BW, his TvP rants/remarks are quite infamous, and TvP in BW was the non mirror matchup with the least 'issues'.
I'm a Crab made of men.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19192 Posts
April 18 2014 12:38 GMT
#1591
are you kidding me? dragoons op
arbiters op
zealots op
1a2a3a bs
dts op
reavers op
probes op
+ Show Spoiler +
i am joking+ Show Spoiler +
but seriously, protoss op
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
TyrionSC2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States411 Posts
April 18 2014 14:06 GMT
#1592
Mango not joining Curse confirmed
Reuental
Profile Joined July 2009
United States457 Posts
April 18 2014 16:11 GMT
#1593
On April 18 2014 21:38 tofucake wrote:
are you kidding me? dragoons op
arbiters op
zealots op
1a2a3a bs
dts op
reavers op
probes op
+ Show Spoiler +
i am joking+ Show Spoiler +
but seriously, protoss op


How can you forget the most OP bullshit of all? + Show Spoiler +
carriers
I'm a Crab made of men.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
April 18 2014 17:09 GMT
#1594
Falco is protoss, 1a2a3a aka shinedairshinedairshinedair
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19192 Posts
April 18 2014 17:21 GMT
#1595
he's clearly zerg
billions of lasers = billions of zerglings
dunk with some muta pillars
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 18 2014 18:14 GMT
#1596
Going to play against actual people for the first time since I started playing four weeks ago

Let's see if the hyperbolic time training pays off at all.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 18 2014 18:15 GMT
#1597
Should I drive 3 hours to go to Fight PItt IV tomorrow, y/n?
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 18 2014 18:55 GMT
#1598
On April 19 2014 03:14 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Going to play against actual people for the first time since I started playing four weeks ago

Let's see if the hyperbolic time training pays off at all.

Trust me from experience, it won't. I've been playing for 9 months and I still get bodied regularly.
Writer@WriterYamato
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 18 2014 21:28 GMT
#1599
On April 19 2014 03:55 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 03:14 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Going to play against actual people for the first time since I started playing four weeks ago

Let's see if the hyperbolic time training pays off at all.

Trust me from experience, it won't. I've been playing for 9 months and I still get bodied regularly.

I mean being good enough to learn. Of course I'm not winning any tournaments here, but hopefully I'm good enough to where I know why I lost ^_^
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
April 19 2014 00:29 GMT
#1600
On April 19 2014 03:14 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Going to play against actual people for the first time since I started playing four weeks ago

Let's see if the hyperbolic time training pays off at all.

hyperbolic time chamber for 4 weeks :O thats like... 28 years of training! I THINK YOU GOT THIS.
Prev 1 78 79 80 81 82 188 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
12:00
Day 3
Clem vs ShoWTimE
TaKeTV5236
ComeBackTV 1871
IndyStarCraft 484
TaKeSeN 407
CosmosSc2 111
EnkiAlexander 82
Rex78
3DClanTV 72
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 484
ProTech132
CosmosSc2 111
Livibee 107
Rex 78
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2071
EffOrt 376
Mini 330
Shuttle 246
Dewaltoss 108
ggaemo 97
NaDa 14
Dota 2
Gorgc7490
febbydoto18
League of Legends
JimRising 335
Counter-Strike
fl0m3758
byalli638
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor403
Other Games
tarik_tv9794
FrodaN7237
gofns6060
Grubby3423
Liquid`RaSZi2623
Mlord765
B2W.Neo761
Liquid`Hasu257
KnowMe198
ToD136
QueenE95
ArmadaUGS21
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1532
gamesdonequick1282
BasetradeTV60
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 60
• Hupsaiya 42
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 21
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV471
• masondota2318
League of Legends
• Doublelift4405
• imaqtpie2891
• TFBlade1334
Other Games
• Shiphtur217
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 53m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Wardi Open
1d 13h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-31
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.