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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8035 Posts
December 28 2015 22:29 GMT
#3321
The main complaint last year was that the list was too NA-centric, so they made an effort to put Europe on there this year. That said, I'm pretty sure the majority of the panelists have no idea how to rank the lesser known European players because they rarely travel overseas.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
December 29 2015 04:00 GMT
#3322
MIOM panelists had to rate (not directly rank!!) like 100-140 players each. I don't think most of them spent more than like a day on it. Most of them probably didn't bother to look up all the relevant results (they were only provided with performance at supermajors), and had to rely on hearsay / gut feeling for players they hadn't personally played against / watched extensively. So lots of people with more established track records got the benefit of the doubt, as did certain Europeans / other people who didn't attend a lot of American tournaments but have good reputations.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 29 2015 08:04 GMT
#3323
gotcha

its not that im not happy to see eu up there but it seems a little high for tekk and over consider, they do have a decent number of set wins over decent players tho

tekk with fuzzyness, eikelmann, android, duck, reaper, amsah, zhu, jeapie, overtriforce

over with Porkchops, reaper, tekk, westballz plus eu's like callew, zgetto etc.

problem is most of their wins are over other eu players but over's resume is super slim t_t

11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
December 31 2015 06:38 GMT
#3324
tbh I think prof and tekk are at ok positions, but over is overrated (ha) this year considering some of his really bad losses (blown out by wizzy in sheik-falcon, loss to inui's dk and schlimmshady's mario) and not a large number of good wins

but over has a pretty good reputation from the past, so panelists probably gave him the benefit of the doubt
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-31 12:27:25
December 31 2015 12:23 GMT
#3325
Pleased to see Prof get a pretty respectable position. I'm salty Fuzzyness doesn't have the fire in Melee anymore. He could definitely get similar placings if he put the same level of work in as Prof has recently, in my opinion, but he is long gone now. Prof is constantly grinding and making a decent living out of winning every small tournament here xD.

Looking forward to a big 2016 of Smash, I hope Melee continues to grow and gain more mainstream acceptance. I also hope Hbox wins a major in the US.

On December 29 2015 17:04 Targe wrote:
gotcha

its not that im not happy to see eu up there but it seems a little high for tekk and over consider, they do have a decent number of set wins over decent players tho

tekk with fuzzyness, eikelmann, android, duck, reaper, amsah, zhu, jeapie, overtriforce

over with Porkchops, reaper, tekk, westballz plus eu's like callew, zgetto etc.

problem is most of their wins are over other eu players but over's resume is super slim t_t



Hey what's your tag in the UK are you in SmashUK? I didn't know there were any other UK Melee guys in TL other than BrTarolg.

Also are you saying Tekk has wins over Fuzzy? Because iirc Fuzzy has a dominant record over Tekk so that shouldn't really count. Fuzz beat him at DH Winter :/.

In fact what I really hope for in 2016 is the return of Fuzzy to the scene .
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-31 13:27:54
December 31 2015 13:24 GMT
#3326
Yeah I'm in smashuk, meleeuk and sws, my tag is LuNa, I barely make it out of pools atm (only done so at my last two, bath2 and kickstart 3) but I'm looking to try and take photos for melee tournaments I go to like I did for BATH2.

BrTarolg is much more notable than me lol

Also yeah if I said tekk beat fuzzy that means I found it on LP, I'll take a look to see what tournament it was. All those I said were set wins btw.

e: he beat fuzzy at heir2
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 31 2015 13:29 GMT
#3327
On December 21 2015 16:04 OnceKing wrote:
Well Wobbles was swagging out LOL
he didn't even try to do blizzard/ice block walls at all, just went and did crazy shit and I got wrecked by sopo last stock and couldn't close it out despite getting him to 130%. Sad times. Don't think I was ever going to win that set.

Forte recap/lessons for me:
1. 9:30 PM pools were ass. Seeding in doubles also kinda suspect. My round 1 doubles match was against another team from the same state. Tournament was very well run otherwise -- shit started on time and people who were late got DQed. It was sweet.
2. Never been so nervous to play before in my life. It's to be expected from my first out of state regional but I had to use the restroom like 3 times in 30 minutes before my pool, I felt so much anxiety. I also really wanted to save Wobbles for last in my pool since in the RR I didn't want to have the pressure to beat everyone else but we had to play our match ASAP. I expect those nerves will fade with time. It was especially annoying though because I was spamming the fuck out of fsmash and just couldn't get myself to stop.
3. Really wish I had pushed for more commentary slots on the TLOC stream. I have a lot to work on in that department but a lot of the people on there were pretty sketchy or said things that were outright wrong.
4. + Show Spoiler +
With Wobbles winning the whole damn thing I really wish I had gotten that game from him in pools. Could have been a potentially awesome point for me.

5. Texas bigger state so more people and more strong players, but also more scrubs. Everyone in my pool played very poorly, it seemed like nobody would DI fthrow/dthrow correctly and would just give me an fsmash out of it.


Was watching some forte vods, two of your pools sets are on the tloc youtube- vs wobbles and vs a falcon https://www.youtube.com/user/TourneyLocator/videos
can i get my estro logo back pls
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
January 03 2016 01:05 GMT
#3328
On December 31 2015 22:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Was watching some forte vods, two of your pools sets are on the tloc youtube- vs wobbles and vs a falcon https://www.youtube.com/user/TourneyLocator/videos

Yup, I've rewatched them. My loss to Wobbles wasn't as bad as I thought it was and my win over Abraxas wasn't as good as I thought it was (I actually looked up that dude on youtube before forte and saw that he plays Sheik, idk why he went Falcon). Took a few other notes about gameplay specific stuff too but yea
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 03 2016 11:18 GMT
#3329
is your tag bonsaiwarrior?

if so you looked pretty solid vs wobbles
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
January 03 2016 19:18 GMT
#3330
That's me, thanks!
There's one ice climbers player in our state so I have a bit of an idea what to do in the matchup but I was playing very nervous during pools and spammed so much more fsmash than I would have liked. Normally I prefer to play more patiently in the matchup but that set also made me realize some things like how valuable rushing them down can be.
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 05 2016 21:41 GMT
#3331
some of these MIOM blurbs are questionably written LOL

http://www.meleeitonme.com/ssbmrank2015p13/
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 05 2016 22:54 GMT
#3332
You may be thinking that I’m trying to make it seem that Axe had a substandard 2015. Axe had an amazing 2015, it was just a bit rockier than past years. Axe had a solid start to 2015.


reads like a bad highschool essay lmao
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
January 07 2016 18:35 GMT
#3333
Almost got top 10 accordingly, but thought Leffen would edge Hbox. Hbox makes sense at 2 tho
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
January 08 2016 01:03 GMT
#3334
On January 06 2016 07:54 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
You may be thinking that I’m trying to make it seem that Axe had a substandard 2015. Axe had an amazing 2015, it was just a bit rockier than past years. Axe had a solid start to 2015.


reads like a bad highschool essay lmao


yea the blurbs were all pretty awful and some of the rankings in the 30s+ are pretty questionable. It's still nice to have a national power ranking though.
can i get my estro logo back pls
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 08 2016 10:01 GMT
#3335
the top 10 is perfect if you swap hbox and leffen
but their two scores are so close the rankings really mean nothing
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8035 Posts
January 08 2016 16:38 GMT
#3336
I think this is the first year I've actually been happy with Silent Wolf's rank.
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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 21:28:38
January 08 2016 21:27 GMT
#3337
I personally thought Lucky would/should edge him, but some big wins + arbitrary perception of skill gave sw the edge :p

For the record I do love sw and his tech videos
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 20 2016 13:25 GMT
#3338
http://www.meleeitonme.com/ssbmrank-2015-full-list/

pretty cool to see those who were shy of 100
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-20 16:15:27
January 20 2016 15:01 GMT
#3339
Personally, I would swap Axe/Westballz and PPMD/M2K (even before Genesis). But still, pretty much spot on.
Plup is becoming like a new Leffen, in the sense he keeps getting scarier and scarier to play against. He is slowly getting the super saiyan aura. And I love it.
Druggedfox, Ice & Swedish Delight, great performances. If they keep it up, they are going to rise even higher on the list and appear more on everybody's radar.
On the other hand, poor performances by Westballz & Shroomed in both drafts and singles. Very poor.
GG everybody.
Die Trying
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 20 2016 15:11 GMT
#3340
including genesis id put axe above west but before that i wouldnt
i hope leffen can get back to the us soon though
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