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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 28 2012 16:19 GMT
#4681
i already claimed all stage 5 grey haired boss (+eirin)

idk why you guys fighting over 46
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 00:12:46
June 28 2012 18:35 GMT
#4682
On June 28 2012 14:15 Chronopolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 13:55 Archas wrote:
Okay, I gave in to temptation and read that chapter.

What. The. Fuck.

Ctrl-fff O_SHIT THAT POST. tbh I almost forgot about that post, the story is very long and there is much more to come... Damn, you're not far enough in, I can't even make a witty comment without potentially spoiling something.

I'm getting there, mang!

On June 28 2012 14:15 Chronopolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 13:45 Archas wrote:
the strange thing is, every other story I've (tried to) read that is written like that gets an automatic "pretentious asshole" rating from me.

The author, the MC, both?

The author. A character is an extension of the author, so you can't really fault him or her for sounding like a pretentious asshole. My point was that most amateur writers I see that break out the thesaurus for every fourth word tend to lose my interest quickly. Owen seems to be an exception, I guess.

Also, I just got to the point where + Show Spoiler +
the E-Card prize is revealed
, and... holy jumping fucking shit balls. It was sorta-kinda-maybe-possibly anticipated, given how + Show Spoiler +
the dinner with Remilia went and how the whole joke routine completely destroyed China's life
, but... really? Gonna take a break from reading for now... though I'm not sure if I want to continue if this is the route the story's gonna take.

As a side note, + Show Spoiler +
I loved how Meiling called Cirno a twat so matter-of-factly. Had me laughing for a good while. :D


EDIT: + Show Spoiler [Thoughts re: current chapter] +
Remilia is a fucking cumdumpster. Why would ANYONE do that shit? Respect level dropping drastically. ._. She's definitely turning into an untrustworthy figure.

Hell, I might as well throw Nathaniel and Sakuya onto the "Do not trust" wagon while I'm at it. Nathaniel has serious issues, Creator or not, and Sakuya clearly has some sort of agenda that may or may not coincide with Remi's wishes.


+ Show Spoiler [List of questions I have at the moment] +
+ Show Spoiler [This is just a running list] +
+ Show Spoiler [Don't answer any of them, please] +
  • Who or what is speaking to Farmer through his dreams, and why? Is this entity an ally, a foe, or an enigma playing both strings for some unknown purpose?
  • What is the three-key ring for? One of them is a modern key... is it meant to unlock some item originating from outside Gensokyo?
  • What's in the envelope, and why should it only be opened when "thy need arises"?
  • How did Farmer get thrown into Gensokyo in the first place? Are the residents of the SDM supposed to know English? If so, why don't they know what England is?
  • Why did Sakuya use The World during the E-Card game? For that matter, why do the spectacles react to her at all? What ARE those spectacles, anyway?
  • Why is Nathaniel at the SDM, if not to fix that watch? What is that "justice" he raged about, and why is the silver key important enough to kill for if he doesn't intend to use it?
  • Where have Farmer's supplies gone?
  • What's the deal with Meiling? She's obviously been treated cruelly by Remilia, but why is she going along with the sex slave shit? Does she actually have feelings for Farmer, or is her psyche just incredibly fragile? What happens if/when she snaps?
  • Arguably the most mysterious resident of the mansion, Patchouli, is also the least suspicious of the lot. Why is Nathaniel spending so much time around her? Could she, too, have some sort of agenda? Farmer hasn't entered Voile yet, which would explain why Koakuma has thus far made no appearance, but she hasn't even been mentioned, not even in passing. Is Nathaniel somehow connected with the succubus?
  • Remilia gave the silver key to Farmer after only one day. She obviously intends for him to stumble across something within the mansion, but what, and for what purpose? I doubt it's Flandre
  • Cirno, but no Daiyousei? Sure, Daiyousei and Cirno being best buds is a product of fanon, but in a fanfiction, that shouldn't be an issue. Where is she?
  • Did Flandre... escape?
  • Why is Rich Uncle Pennybags so fucking scary? QQ
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 04:39:40
June 29 2012 04:16 GMT
#4683
Yes, I think it's best for me not to comment on the story before you are done. I'm guilty of this as well, but too often distracting circumstansial signs have been given by people who have finished watching/reading media to those who are still in progress.

On authors and writing, my impressions are that Yukari is by far the most commonly badly dialogued characters in fanfiction. Voicing a character (besides a MC or OC)'s thoughts decently is also easy to screw up. Gotta keep things in character.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 05:29:10
June 29 2012 05:08 GMT
#4684
I'm at the chapter where Farmer meets + Show Spoiler +
the Nameless Prisoner, who just caused our first Bad End.
I'm almost certain that this character is + Show Spoiler +
NOT Flandre
, but if that's the case, + Show Spoiler +
what the hell is it? It's clearly vampiric, considering the Bad End and Patchouli's quote at the end, but what's it doing in Bedroom 101? Is it one of Remilia's past victims cursed into vampirism? Some previously unknown youkai? The voice in Farmer's dreams?


EDIT: + Show Spoiler +
FUCKING SHIT IT'S FLANDRE

Wait...

... is it? I'm not so sure anymore. Flandre's ability to (the extent of) allow the destruction of anything would most likely keep her from being chained unwillingly. For a beast as blood-starved as this, the chains would not be a deterrent if he/she/it wanted Farmer's blood. And if this is Flandre, who was the being stalking Farmer earlier?

But... Big Sister? Who is this abberation's big sister? Is the being too crazed to trust whatsoever? And the "salvation" it speaks of... what does that entail?

Goddamn, this story is like an episode of Lost. I start an episode with four questions, and end it with nine, and none of the previous ones were answered.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 05:50:16
June 29 2012 05:39 GMT
#4685
On June 29 2012 14:08 Archas wrote:
I'm at the chapter where Farmer meets + Show Spoiler +
the Nameless Prisoner, who just caused our first Bad End.
I'm almost certain that this character is + Show Spoiler +
NOT Flandre
, but if that's the case, + Show Spoiler +
what the hell is it? It's clearly vampiric, considering the Bad End and Patchouli's quote at the end, but what's it doing in Bedroom 101? Is it one of Remilia's past victims cursed into vampirism? Some previously unknown youkai? The voice in Farmer's dreams?


EDIT: + Show Spoiler +
FUCKING SHIT IT'S FLANDRE

Wait...

... is it? I'm not so sure anymore. Flandre's ability to (the extent of) allow the destruction of anything would most likely keep her from being chained unwillingly. For a beast as blood-starved as this, the chains would not be a deterrent if he/she/it wanted Farmer's blood. And if this is Flandre, who was the being stalking Farmer earlier?

But... Big Sister? Who is this abberation's big sister? Is the being too crazed to trust whatsoever? And the "salvation" it speaks of... what does that entail?

Goddamn, this story is like an episode of Lost. I start an episode with four questions, and end it with nine, and none of the previous ones were answered.

I liked that scene A LOT. + Show Spoiler +
Got chills the whole time from when he was descending into the basement. The post picture just adds to the sense of paranoia. Ah, I remember those twin brackets between double posts...
. I won't put any specific spoilers or discussion on past what you've read, in spoilers boxes, just discussion. If I did, I'd specially mark the spoiler box and perhaps nest it.
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 05:47:12
June 29 2012 05:41 GMT
#4686
quote instead of edit
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
June 29 2012 16:17 GMT
#4687
mumu tiem~

if/when I have time, I'll need to give some of those fanfics a read
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 29 2012 21:43 GMT
#4688
Checkpoint!

I've reached the end of the Second Day. Lotta stuff happened to Farmer between meeting + Show Spoiler +
The Nameless Prisoner
and + Show Spoiler +
obtaining magic
.

+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts on transpired events] +
  • So, Meiling was playing along the whole time? I guess Remilia is (somewhat) redeemed in my eyes; when you've lived as long as she has, you have to spice up visits somehow. Still, either China is a brilliant actress (unlikely, given her innocent, naïve demeanor), or she truly is mentally unstable. She may have gone along with Remi's plan willingly, but she still seems very fragile.

    Also, Remilia fucking earned that verbal bitchslap from Farmer.

  • I was definitely expecting those three cards from the envelope to be spell cards... but I guess Farmer will be learning magic anyway, so there'd be no need for emergency danmaku from those cards. Speaking of magic, I really liked how U. N. Owen set up the system for the character to be aligned with a certain school of magic based on the choices made previously during the story. The Moon makes sense, but I would have liked to see Water being taught as an alternate school instead of Wood. Yeah, farmer = nature and all that, but Water fits Farmer's personality more than Wood does. Wood is just a reflection of his occupation, after all.

    Actually, thinking about it more, I think Earth would be a more apt choice.

    The sign of Earth. Foundation and constancy. Steadfastness and reserve. Like the pebble which becomes the towering mountain, this magic is firm as the will is firm, carrying the great power of the land.


    Combined with Moon, I think this combination best represents the character Farmer. Cautious, aware of danger and seeking to subvert and avoid it whenever he can, yet also firm, a bastion of willpower, unbowed before far greater powers like the residents of the mansion. I guess I'll just have to wait for what happens with Wood, though; it probably allows for healing magic and the ability to manipulate plants and animals. I'm not sure what use that could have in the mansion, considering there are no animals and few plants... but we'll see.

  • That cache of items in the basement bedroom (not 101) intrigues me, particularly the dragon sword and the vial. I can't identify some of the items, though. Chrono, if any of the items I'll list here are not important to the story, would you mind explaining what they are if you can? I'm really confused.

    "A strange black tube about the size of a small log. There’s a seam in the center."
    "An odd contraption that looks like a metal glove combined with a conical drill."
    "A strangely-shaped weapon that looks like a cross between a rifle and a crossbow."


+ Show Spoiler [New questions + puzzling over them] +
+ Show Spoiler [Remember, no answers please] +
  • Who owns the bedroom that Farmer finds in the basement? It's possible that Flandre owns it, or at least has used it before, due to the insane rants written, and the children's books and stuff. In any case, the room has been used recently, as shown by the disturbed bedsheets, but there are precious few individuals who might own it. Remilia probably doesn't live in the basement, and would definitely have some sort of security measure apart from a locked door (Sakuya would be all over unauthorized entrants in a second). Sakuya almost definitely doesn't stay there (despite the cache of throwing knives and lockpicks), Meiling is guarding the gate all the time, and Patchouli sleeps in the library. That leaves Nathaniel (unlikely), Koakuma (highly unlikely), Flandre (best guess), or some unknown character.

  • The time inconsistency is a little unsettling at this point. Why are there books on the shelves written decades after Farmer's assumed time period? If this story wasn't so serious and grand in scale, I'd probably chalk it off to Yukari fooling around again... but given how many questions I still have, I have a feeling that the answer to this one isn't so simple as a rogue boundary youkai goofing off.

  • What is the meaning of the sword? The phrase "Equitas" is engraved upon the sheath, which is a mystery in itself. Equitas means "You ride on horseback", but it's possible that U. N. Owen meant to use the term "Aequitas", which means "justice", "equality", or "conformity". Owen rarely makes errors, so it's most likely the former, but it doesn't make sense then. Even putting that aside, why is the phrase familiar to Farmer at all? Could it be a red herring?

  • Speaking of the items found, what is the vial for? Is it the Hourai Elixir? If so, why does Remilia possess it? She's said that she wants no part of it, so why is a vial of it kept within the mansion? It's supposedly the third batch of a specific substance from the good Doctor back in Eientei; the batch number seems to be flavor text, but the Lovecraft quote on the note may be indicative of the vial's contents, and lends support to the Hourai Elixir theory. However, in canon, the Elixir is not a liquid at all, and Owen has stated that he/she strives to keep to canon whenever he/she can...

  • Has Nathaniel been tested by Remilia the way Farmer has? Did he succeed or fail?

  • Who is the entity who attempted to track down Farmer as he left the basement? Her voice seemed like Remilia's at first, but then morphed into some... cat creature? None of the three feline-based youkai in Gensokyo have any business being in or near the SDM, so perhaps this is a character of Owen's creation, like Nathaniel? The hand that seizes Farmer is described as "delicate", so if the cat part is thrown out (or attributed just as a game or idle fancy), then the best guess as to the being's identity would be Flandre Scarlet. But again, if that's Flandre, who is the Nameless Prisoner?

  • A danmaku battle with Cirno? Tomorrow? Unless Sakuya timehax to allow adequate time, Cirno is still far more powerful than a human, even a human from Gensokyo... and Farmer is clearly not from Gensokyo. Is this another test from Remilia? Who's to say that Cirno won't assrape Farmer like last time?

  • Most importantly, WHY IS FARMER CARRYING FUCKING DYNAMITE WITH HIM??? DOES HE NOT REALIZE THIS WILL CAUSE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE DAMAGE??!!
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
June 30 2012 03:45 GMT
#4689
how do i soku
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
June 30 2012 17:54 GMT
#4690
+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler [3 misc items] +
I don't recall that those items are really significant, but they have done something in the story, not sure. The rifle-crossbow is what it looks like, the strange black tube is a silencer? (I don't know why that comes to mind), the glove/drill I have no idea.

Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 18:02:14
June 30 2012 18:01 GMT
#4691
On June 30 2012 12:45 dkpl wrote:
how do i soku

After you find and download it:
http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Config for unlocking characters
http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Netplay for netplay.
Proceed to mash buttons furiously.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 30 2012 18:04 GMT
#4692
On July 01 2012 02:54 Chronopolis wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler [3 misc items] +
I don't recall that those items are really significant, but they have done something in the story, not sure. The rifle-crossbow is what it looks like, the strange black tube is a silencer? (I don't know why that comes to mind), the glove/drill I have no idea.


+ Show Spoiler +
U. N. Owen said that the black tube is definitely not a suppressor. He/she said the dimensions were something like 30 centimeters long/14 wide, which is too large for a suppressor. As for the rifle/crossbow, the only thing I can think of is... a bigger crossbow? >_>
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
June 30 2012 19:27 GMT
#4693
On July 01 2012 03:01 Chronopolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 12:45 dkpl wrote:
how do i soku

After you find and download it:
http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Config for unlocking characters
http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Netplay for netplay.
Proceed to mash buttons furiously.


I've already done 1 and 3. Not interested in netplay, just gonna be a bunch of ppl in our living room who dunno what touhou is mashing buttons lol. But really, I understand nothing. Dun even know what the card system is for.
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 30 2012 20:13 GMT
#4694
+ Show Spoiler [Time for some music!] +
+ Show Spoiler [Cinderella Cage] +


By xi-on.

I couldn't believe this hadn't been uploaded to YouTube yet, so I did it myself! Recently, xi-on's arrangements seem to be getting heavier and heavier; while I don't particularly mind, I do miss those sexy jazz arrangements from previous albums. A headbangin' bunny is fine too, though.

+ Show Spoiler [Faint Dream ~ Inanimate Dream] +


By Yuuhei Satellite.

I don't know how I missed this track. It's Yuuka, and there isn't enough of that done, so insta-awesome. A bit repetitive, and a biiiit too much voice distortion, but I'm a fan overall.

+ Show Spoiler [Voile, the Magic Library] +


By Tomoya, the uploader of the video.

This is definitely a darker take on Voile (with a bit of Locked Girl thrown in there), and I'm really liking how it turned out. It gives an air of suspense and impending conflict, compared to the generally more uplifting arrangements seen by other circles. The haunted library...

+ Show Spoiler [Civilization of Magic] +


By Alstroemeria Records.

One of the best ZUN tracks ever, and yet there are so few arrangements. This makes me sad.

+ Show Spoiler [Beautiful Lies] +


By IZMIZM.

This is a mashup of Voyage 1969 and B-Complex's Beautiful Lies (unrelated to Touhou, but a very good DnB artist). DnB is quickly becoming one of my favorite genres, thanks to IZMIZM, N-tone, and Dust_Box_49. d-(^_^)

+ Show Spoiler [Dark Side of Fate] +


By Studio FE and Aleile.

If this is what misfortune sounds like, then by all means, curse me!
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 30 2012 20:34 GMT
#4695
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349308

LET'S DO THIS GUYS

RAWK ONNNNNNN!
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
June 30 2012 22:57 GMT
#4696
There's actually a TL_Soku online community (albeit a small one)

We are on a Comodo Unite server after the Hamachi armageddon (server cap became 5)
Anyways the server info is:
Name: TL_Soku
pass: funtimes

Feel free to join us!
dkpl
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada1485 Posts
June 30 2012 23:23 GMT
#4697
I think netplay would be a prety bad (albeit hilarious) idea right now, with the amount of button mashing going on.
Anopob: also, in between the most familiar parts, necrofantasy is like kekeke and necrofantasia is like bum b um bum
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
July 01 2012 00:26 GMT
#4698
On July 01 2012 07:57 Abenson wrote:
There's actually a TL_Soku online community (albeit a small one)

We are on a Comodo Unite server after the Hamachi armageddon (server cap became 5)
Anyways the server info is:
Name: TL_Soku
pass: funtimes

Feel free to join us!

well this is helpful now that I have a controller

hey dkpl wanna do some matches/learn the game/rage furiously together?
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
July 01 2012 00:56 GMT
#4699
On July 01 2012 05:13 Archas wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Time for some music!] +
+ Show Spoiler [Cinderella Cage] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfr0_BKasg4

By xi-on.

I couldn't believe this hadn't been uploaded to YouTube yet, so I did it myself! Recently, xi-on's arrangements seem to be getting heavier and heavier; while I don't particularly mind, I do miss those sexy jazz arrangements from previous albums. A headbangin' bunny is fine too, though.

+ Show Spoiler [Faint Dream ~ Inanimate Dream] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn99BzSPEaI

By Yuuhei Satellite.

I don't know how I missed this track. It's Yuuka, and there isn't enough of that done, so insta-awesome. A bit repetitive, and a biiiit too much voice distortion, but I'm a fan overall.

+ Show Spoiler [Voile, the Magic Library] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tZoTg5Ors8

By Tomoya, the uploader of the video.

This is definitely a darker take on Voile (with a bit of Locked Girl thrown in there), and I'm really liking how it turned out. It gives an air of suspense and impending conflict, compared to the generally more uplifting arrangements seen by other circles. The haunted library...

+ Show Spoiler [Civilization of Magic] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PC5jquXoKQ

By Alstroemeria Records.

One of the best ZUN tracks ever, and yet there are so few arrangements. This makes me sad.

+ Show Spoiler [Beautiful Lies] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8FqFAcAYIg

By IZMIZM.

This is a mashup of Voyage 1969 and B-Complex's Beautiful Lies (unrelated to Touhou, but a very good DnB artist). DnB is quickly becoming one of my favorite genres, thanks to IZMIZM, N-tone, and Dust_Box_49. d-(^_^)

+ Show Spoiler [Dark Side of Fate] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4mfq9lSzg

By Studio FE and Aleile.

If this is what misfortune sounds like, then by all means, curse me!


I really like that voile one. (Actually I posted that here like a year ago kekek).

When it finally gets to the dun dun, dun-dun-dun! dun dun dun dun-dun-dun part (if you know what i mean lol) it sounds so awesome.


Actually he shows his sheet music on his website. Which is awesome. Except he somehow lost the sheet music for that one ;; he took it down or lost the upload or something like that. In google translate the note there says something like "I will put the sheets back up if I can fix this"
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 01:01:18
July 01 2012 00:58 GMT
#4700

Fucking awesome!
I think I finally feel some interest for UFO and TEN DESIRES. I do like how they used uncommon songs for the bg music, but arranged so they blend in/have the same tone. I mean Tabula Rasa ~ Empty Girl was used, and you'd heardly notice it.
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