EPTAs an amateur I can still see plenty of faulty play in the GSL games, they are all going to be better. Jeadong, Flash & Bisu might potentially be among the new gods, but I have lots of trust in the new players too. A LosirA might as well become the new Jeadong, and Alicia the new Bisu.
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Gulzt
Netherlands275 Posts
As an amateur I can still see plenty of faulty play in the GSL games, they are all going to be better. Jeadong, Flash & Bisu might potentially be among the new gods, but I have lots of trust in the new players too. A LosirA might as well become the new Jeadong, and Alicia the new Bisu. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
Why aren't you watching MSL Ro8 right now?  | ||
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Eko200
United States101 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:07 TheButtonmen wrote: Well considering SC2 is pulling more new viewers to E-Sports then BW ever did I'm going to have to go out on a limb and say he's completely and utterly wrong. You got evidence to back that statement up? Proleague finals has been watched by hundreds of thousands LIVE at the site, not including TV. The most I have ever seen in a SC2 stream is 55K (TSL3). | ||
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LwReisen
Australia94 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + the wc3 alum have, on an overall basis, outperformed the bw alum. MC is the only one who hasn't flamed out since winning a GSL. | ||
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Zeiryuu
Philippines231 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
I'm not even going into the "it's a diferent game", you just seem bitter then people actually care about SC2 and not your beloved BW.. but you can still watch your gods of gaming play.. instead of actually watching SC2 you can spend your time better and follow BW because those are the best gamers the world has ever seen.. I can't stand this conversation... you are comparing a game that has 10 years of continuous development with a new game and comparing a scene with more then a decade with a scene with not even a year... why and what for? The old BW guys in this site are so bitter about SC2 doing well.. but i can't understant why BW is still strong in korea, just keep following OSL, MSL and proleague and let us noobs(Because SC2 is a lame game that doesn't require any skill) live with sc2.. Your article is well written but i don't like the content and i think it's pointless | ||
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itiswhatitis
United States136 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:13 TheRhox wrote: Question to anyone still wasting their time in this thread Why aren't you watching MSL Ro8 right now? Because the crappy graphics hurt my eyes. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:10 LwReisen wrote: This editorial is just a reminder that TL is two things above all else. 1) TL is a BW community, first and foremost. It will always support the ex-BW players over the people who started out with sc2 and wc3 first up. That's just the way TL is. 2) The TL community is full of Korean fanboys. This article only reinforces this fact; hardcore TLers believe that GSL is the only tournament in the world and pretty much discounts any other tournament, unless it's won by a Korean. You can see this clearly through the grand total of 0 mentions of top tier foreigners. I don't mind this massive troll (sorry, but that's what it is) being on the front page, because it serves as a reminder where TL was first spawned. Admins gave far too much latitude to intrigue, and this article only serves to add gas to the fire. The GSL is by far the best tournament. It has the highest caliber of play at the moment. There is no argument about it. And Koreans playing in other tournaments makes those other tournaments better. Thats why NASL got them. Thats why TSL got them. The problem with those two is that they are online and latency is a factor. Top tier foreigners aren't on the level of top tier Koreans, sorry to burst your bubble. While the gap is nowhere near as big as it was in BW, there is still a gap. What foreigner should be mentioned here? | ||
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DetrA
United States148 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:12 Zerothegreat wrote: Remember when WC3 fans were saying the WC3 "Pros" were going to dominate in SC2? The post sounds just like those same people making that argument and we saw what happened there... Right but what the post says is that exbw pros dominate sc2 now and that they were bad at bw. | ||
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laguu
Finland278 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:13 LwReisen wrote: Oh yeah, and before I forget..... + Show Spoiler + the wc3 alum have, on an overall basis, outperformed the bw alum. MC is the only one who hasn't flamed out since winning a GSL. If you are only comparing the foreign scene you might be correct, but there really were not that many good foreign BW players. Idra, by far the best foreign player, spent 3 years in Korea and never played in a televised league. | ||
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zasda
381 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote: Given the maturity of the SC2 community, I expect about the reaction it got.  This topic seems to be written by a bitter bw fanboy who is mad because sc2 is receiving alot more attention from foreigners than bw ever did and this site's userbase has grown massively because of sc2. So the 'maturity' argument is silly cos this is all about bw elititsts not accepting that their old game is not the main thing in this forum anymore for most users, therefore the "my idols would beat your bad sc2 idols !!11!!!1!11" type arguments. | ||
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:10 TheButtonmen wrote: I said nothing about BW players dominating? My comment was addressed at him calling the scene a farce and describing the games as dull and unenjoyable. The OP said that BW players will raise the skill level if they do transfer, before they transfer, the skill ceiling isn't that high and so he "called the scene a farce and described the games as dull and unenjoyable". Those are related imo. | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:07 Mithrandror wrote: I completely agree 100% with the points OP made and also with the point you are making. However there is one minor flaw in this entire argument namely, Boxer. I think everyone can agree that Boxer is probally the best or one of best in terms of 'brainpower' as you put. Heck even in the time where he fell behind mechanically by such a large margin he was still seldom able to take a game or two from someone way more skilled in that department simply by 'outthinking him'. Enter Starcraft 2: this game is without a doubt easier in the 'mechanic department' and it can be argued that as a consequence brainpower is even more important in this game then in SC1, then why isn't Boxer doing nearly as good as should be expected. One could argue that he is very successfull in the sense that he basically created an entire team which is offcourse a nice feat. However Boxer stated himself that he 'wanted to be in a a spotlight' again. Which sort of proves that Boxer did not 'chose' to create a team but was sort of 'forced' to do so since he realised that he wouldn't be nearly as successfull as he anticipated. Point of this rant is that in my opinion Boxer could potentially be used as an argument to prove the entire 'SC2 is a different game' theory. I personally don't buy it but I understand why alot of people do. I had not considered this, thanks for sharing. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:15 DetrA wrote: Right but what the post says is that exbw pros dominate sc2 now and that they were bad at bw. What he states is that watching MVP and Zergbong duking it out is dull because they weren't cream of the crop and that's somewhat true. | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:09 jmbthirteen wrote: I said a lot, not all. And I didn't take the article that sc2 is a game for crappy players. I took it as the game isn't being played at its highest level right now. Well then do you want to address the complaints that veteran members have brought up about the article instead of sweeping them aside? It's calling the scene a farse, not developing, and it's doing this by calling the players bad. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:10 exalted wrote: Not a fan of this post. The reason Flash plays like that is because the skill levels between the top players are so close that the game needs to be drawn out to maximize Flash's edge (as the better player). Also it plays on the strengths of the Terran race (at least in BW). And the fact that the "turtly" games are probably TvTs, which are going to be long... TvT is probably the most skill intensive matchup as it requires such insane multitasking (complicated base management, convoluted dropship micro) as well as strategy and on-the-fly thinking. It's also the reason why despite as a Terran player, I never played it and simply opted to play PvT or ZvT (which strengthened my understanding of the matchup by playing the other perspective) Going to check out MSL right now! Would be cool if some of you anti-"BW snobs" checked it out. Link is on the right hand side, I'd go with the lovable GTR's stream! I'm not saying why it happened, just that it sounds boring. Maybe (going on what people are saying here) that's partly why SC2 has gotten so much bigger (outside of korea) than BW did. Because there's competition, the games are exciting, and you don't know who is going to win. Being a great spectator experience isn't just about watching someone being very good at something. Otherwise we'd all sit watching chess. I stand by it, from that description that I quoted in my post, Brood War sounds incredibly boring to watch. | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
Also against separating the community but that happens with any new change. Look at the bitter debate every time a new patch is released. | ||
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Hemera
Denmark15 Posts
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