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Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 09:36:40
January 12 2012 09:36 GMT
#4661
People should know that someone is bonjwa when everyone agrees that they are, its not a title given by someone but by all.

Bonjwa died with Savior, no one cares about it anymore; Flash is above it anyway he is god.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 09:40:09
January 12 2012 09:38 GMT
#4662
flash is shinjwa+ Show Spoiler +
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Daniri
Profile Joined May 2007
387 Posts
January 12 2012 09:45 GMT
#4663
On January 12 2012 18:36 Ryps wrote:
People should know that someone is bonjwa when everyone agrees that they are, its not a title given by someone but by all.

Bonjwa died with Savior, no one cares about it anymore; Flash is above it anyway he is god.


Everyone agreeing on something never happens.
"you guys are silly lol thats why i hate you people" berserkboar
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 12 2012 09:46 GMT
#4664
How did this elephant thread turn into a bonjwa thread lol
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
January 12 2012 09:49 GMT
#4665
On January 12 2012 18:36 Ryps wrote:
People should know that someone is bonjwa when everyone agrees that they are, its not a title given by someone but by all.

Bonjwa died with Savior, no one cares about it anymore; Flash is above it anyway he is god.


I would not called him god but he is damn flawless in his playstyle.
Play your best
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
January 12 2012 09:51 GMT
#4666
On January 12 2012 18:35 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 18:19 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 18:06 inamorato wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here

This bonjwa talk is ridiculous. The koreans aren't taking the time to discuss this on thisisgame or fomos because Starcraft 2 doesn't have a bonjwa, it may never and it may be a different turn.
BTW Flash is the only bonjwa you mentioned.
The definition is a player who controls the scene for an extended period of time.

"oh koreans dont talk about it so it must mean sc2 doesnt have bonjwa"

Your argument of reasoning is astounding sir.

Unless there is governing body of organization like kespa who rules what bonjwa means, the whole word is meaningless. You cant base something on just what majority of people say, because people tend to be stupid.

Of course you can, if someone is considered to be someone by majority it sticks to him, starcraft is also a show after all. If savior/boxer etc play was considered for koreans to be bonjwa-like, and it sticked then its settled. If 1 people invented new word and later it cought and 100000 people start using it and it made sense then its written into dictionary. Because it IS used, so when Saviors domination left a special taste, was considered different then there was made a word that described it, it cought on, made sense hence it is official.

You may not like, find it stupid or nonsensical but if thousands of other people use it is settled.

Where is your source for this information?

And anyways, you guys have yet to prove that even majority thinks same way than you. Like I said, there is thing called loud minority.
gn0m
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden302 Posts
January 12 2012 09:55 GMT
#4667
On January 12 2012 18:46 writer22816 wrote:
How did this elephant thread turn into a bonjwa thread lol

Probably around the time Mongolbonjwa stated that S-class is a league of bad players, that Bisu, Jaedong and Flash all are bonjwas and that you must never ever trust Liquipedia. Maybe this guy should read more from Liquipedia because he is a contender for the most inaccurate member on TL.
-_-
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
January 12 2012 09:55 GMT
#4668
On January 12 2012 18:51 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 18:35 bgx wrote:
On January 12 2012 18:19 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 18:06 inamorato wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here

This bonjwa talk is ridiculous. The koreans aren't taking the time to discuss this on thisisgame or fomos because Starcraft 2 doesn't have a bonjwa, it may never and it may be a different turn.
BTW Flash is the only bonjwa you mentioned.
The definition is a player who controls the scene for an extended period of time.

"oh koreans dont talk about it so it must mean sc2 doesnt have bonjwa"

Your argument of reasoning is astounding sir.

Unless there is governing body of organization like kespa who rules what bonjwa means, the whole word is meaningless. You cant base something on just what majority of people say, because people tend to be stupid.

Of course you can, if someone is considered to be someone by majority it sticks to him, starcraft is also a show after all. If savior/boxer etc play was considered for koreans to be bonjwa-like, and it sticked then its settled. If 1 people invented new word and later it cought and 100000 people start using it and it made sense then its written into dictionary. Because it IS used, so when Saviors domination left a special taste, was considered different then there was made a word that described it, it cought on, made sense hence it is official.

You may not like, find it stupid or nonsensical but if thousands of other people use it is settled.

Where is your source for this information?

And anyways, you guys have yet to prove that even majority thinks same way than you. Like I said, there is thing called loud minority.


I don't think there is any source for this information.The Koreans made that up. The so called "bonjwa" was first coined by the Korean fans during Savior 2005-2007 domination in BW.
Play your best
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
January 12 2012 09:57 GMT
#4669
On January 12 2012 18:55 gn0m wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 18:46 writer22816 wrote:
How did this elephant thread turn into a bonjwa thread lol

Probably around the time Mongolbonjwa stated that S-class is a league of bad players, that Bisu, Jaedong and Flash all are bonjwas and that you must never ever trust Liquipedia. Maybe this guy should read more from Liquipedia because he is a contender for the most inaccurate member on TL.

Maybe you can lighten up this matter a bit more?
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 10:00:56
January 12 2012 09:59 GMT
#4670
just re-read the OP, he say there are 300 broodwar A teamers who can come over and dominate.....given recent events that number seems far too high, and i think given more time this post will hold up less and less well. SC2 has grown alot since the OP, the bar is being raised and i don't think the correlation between BW success and sc2 success is as defined as many think. The games are very similar, but not identical and BW pros have alot of sc2 practice hours to make up even if you concede they are more talented. Going forward I would expect young sc2 stars to outperform older BW changeovers, Sc2 provided more opportunities to up and coming talents, like Leenock, so it would makesense that some of the best young talent picked sc2 over bw. ( like mkp)
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
January 12 2012 10:15 GMT
#4671
On January 12 2012 14:45 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 14:28 Talack wrote:
I wish ForGG had smashed the competition so that I wouldn't have to be so ashamed of the comments in this thread.

It's okay. Nestea, MC, and others did. Did you forget they were BW players too?


read OP, they are low level BW player which made SC2 competition a farce
Put quote here for readability
gn0m
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden302 Posts
January 12 2012 10:28 GMT
#4672
On January 12 2012 18:57 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 18:55 gn0m wrote:
On January 12 2012 18:46 writer22816 wrote:
How did this elephant thread turn into a bonjwa thread lol

Probably around the time Mongolbonjwa stated that S-class is a league of bad players, that Bisu, Jaedong and Flash all are bonjwas and that you must never ever trust Liquipedia. Maybe this guy should read more from Liquipedia because he is a contender for the most inaccurate member on TL.

Maybe you can lighten up this matter a bit more?

What?
-_-
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
January 12 2012 10:36 GMT
#4673
How exactly have I been inaccurate?
gn0m
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden302 Posts
January 12 2012 10:42 GMT
#4674
On January 12 2012 19:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
How exactly have I been inaccurate?

For the exact reason I stated, that S-class means a league of bad players, that Bisu/Flash/JD are all bonjwas, as well as bashing Liquipedia which is, albeit slightly outdated at times, highly more accurate than you.
-_-
FranzP
Profile Joined November 2010
France270 Posts
January 12 2012 10:43 GMT
#4675
On January 12 2012 19:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
How exactly have I been inaccurate?


When you said "bisu is a bonjwa", "jaedong is a bonjwa", and "Unless there is governing body of organization like kespa who rules what bonjwa means", you were innacurate. Bisu is not a bonjwa, jaedong is not a bonjwa, and Kespa doesn't rule what bonjwa means. It doesn't mean good it means damn fucking godly.

Source: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa
"Cyberhacking is kind of like masturbation I guess, all countries do it but nobody actually talks about it. China just was accidentally doing it with the door wide open." Newbistic
Mord
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway171 Posts
January 12 2012 10:47 GMT
#4676
There's a whole lot of troll-feed being thrown around in here, seems they were highly successful in completely derailing this thread.
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
January 12 2012 11:02 GMT
#4677
On January 12 2012 19:43 FranzP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 19:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
How exactly have I been inaccurate?


When you said "bisu is a bonjwa", "jaedong is a bonjwa", and "Unless there is governing body of organization like kespa who rules what bonjwa means", you were innacurate. Bisu is not a bonjwa, jaedong is not a bonjwa, and Kespa doesn't rule what bonjwa means. It doesn't mean good it means damn fucking godly.

Source: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa

You are not clever

User was temp banned for this post.
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
January 12 2012 11:33 GMT
#4678
On January 12 2012 19:43 FranzP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 19:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
How exactly have I been inaccurate?


When you said "bisu is a bonjwa", "jaedong is a bonjwa", and "Unless there is governing body of organization like kespa who rules what bonjwa means", you were innacurate. Bisu is not a bonjwa, jaedong is not a bonjwa, and Kespa doesn't rule what bonjwa means. It doesn't mean good it means damn fucking godly.

Source: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa


Is there anywhere I can see Bisu and Jaedongs graph? or others?
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
January 12 2012 13:19 GMT
#4679
I'm totally looking forward to see these player's full potential unwrap in SC2 Hopefully it doesn't show in the form of even more mindgame trickery and instead awesome display of macro, micro and multitasking.
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33357 Posts
January 12 2012 13:22 GMT
#4680
Never miss an opportunity plug myself and clarify Bonjwa for ppl ^_^

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154423#three

There, all you ever need to know about Bonjwa
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
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