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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 12 2012 08:41 GMT
#4641
On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here


What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa.

A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash.

S-class just means you're one of the very best players at the time, like top 10-ish or even less(?).


NADA
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 12 2012 08:42 GMT
#4642
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?


S-Class are the select few elite of the BW scene at a given time. A bonjwa is someone who dominates the scene for a prolonged period of time, being neck and shoulders above all the rest and showcasing a new level of play. While Jaedong and Bisu are S-Class, they're not bonjwas. That title's reserved for the Federers, Jordans and Woods of BW.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Fourn
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Greece227 Posts
January 12 2012 08:45 GMT
#4643
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?
A man chooses, a slave obeys
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
January 12 2012 08:48 GMT
#4644
Since Flash.
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
January 12 2012 08:50 GMT
#4645
On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?

"In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."
Stork protoss legend
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
January 12 2012 08:52 GMT
#4646
On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?

"In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."

You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are?

As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa.
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 09:02:47
January 12 2012 08:59 GMT
#4647
On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?

"In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."

You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are?

As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa.

Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people.

So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious?

Edit: And I don't want to start a debate about definition of bonjwa status.
Stork protoss legend
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 09:02:07
January 12 2012 09:01 GMT
#4648
On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?

"In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."

You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are?

As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa.

Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people.

So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious?

Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject?

There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts.

User was warned for this post
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 12 2012 09:04 GMT
#4649
On January 12 2012 17:41 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here


What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa.

A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash.

S-class just means you're one of the very best players at the time, like top 10-ish or even less(?).


NADA


Sorry, got it messed up. Switch Jaedong for Nada.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
January 12 2012 09:05 GMT
#4650
On January 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?

"In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."

You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are?

As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa.

Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people.

So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious?

Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject?

There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts.


there is a pretty well defined definition of bonjwa: if the koreans call him bonjwa, then he's a bonjwa.
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
January 12 2012 09:06 GMT
#4651
On January 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?

"In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."

You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are?

As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa.

Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people.

So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious?

Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject?

There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts.

Read my Edit.

I am talking about the players that got the Bonjwa status which is accepted in general in Korea, and for fyi the bw community has had this discussion a million of times before. Just look at old bw thread in bw section.

I am not arguing about the general definition of Bonjwa. What do u not understand?
Stork protoss legend
inamorato
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States263 Posts
January 12 2012 09:06 GMT
#4652
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here

This bonjwa talk is ridiculous. The koreans aren't taking the time to discuss this on thisisgame or fomos because Starcraft 2 doesn't have a bonjwa, it may never and it may be a different turn.
BTW Flash is the only bonjwa you mentioned.
The definition is a player who controls the scene for an extended period of time.
You're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan Designed and directed by his red right hand
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 12 2012 09:08 GMT
#4653
On January 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?

"In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."

You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are?

As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa.

Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people.

So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious?

Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject?

There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts.


To me Bonjwa means ice cream. Boxer is no ice cream and is therefor no bonjwa.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
January 12 2012 09:15 GMT
#4654
I was confused for awhile because bonjwa is word used to call yourself in higher status. Oppose to soin, which is lowering yourself. But i think the term used in sc is reserved only for the top dog, for long period of time. Current bonjwa is flash so that leaves out everyone else.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
January 12 2012 09:17 GMT
#4655
On January 12 2012 18:05 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?

"In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."

You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are?

As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa.

Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people.

So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious?

Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject?

There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts.


there is a pretty well defined definition of bonjwa: if the koreans call him bonjwa, then he's a bonjwa.

I dont care what koreans say. Also, there is fallacy argument which addresses the fallacy of believing if majority thinks something therefore its true.
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 09:26:20
January 12 2012 09:19 GMT
#4656
On January 12 2012 18:06 inamorato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here

This bonjwa talk is ridiculous. The koreans aren't taking the time to discuss this on thisisgame or fomos because Starcraft 2 doesn't have a bonjwa, it may never and it may be a different turn.
BTW Flash is the only bonjwa you mentioned.
The definition is a player who controls the scene for an extended period of time.

"oh koreans dont talk about it so it must mean sc2 doesnt have bonjwa"

Your argument of reasoning is astounding sir.

Unless there is governing body of organization like kespa who rules what bonjwa means, the whole word is meaningless. You cant base something on just what majority of people say, because people tend to be stupid. Also there is thing called "loud minority". Do we have any evidence that even majority of koreans dont consider jaedong a bonjwa?
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
January 12 2012 09:26 GMT
#4657
On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here


What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa.

A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash.

edit: InDaHouse explained S-class better.

Jaedong isnt a Bonjwa.

Just like Flash isnt a Bonjwa. because Flash was 2 good for being a Bonjwa. thats why he is god.
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 09:31:03
January 12 2012 09:30 GMT
#4658
On January 12 2012 18:26 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here


What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa.

A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash.

edit: InDaHouse explained S-class better.

Jaedong isnt a Bonjwa.

Just like Flash isnt a Bonjwa. because Flash was 2 good for being a Bonjwa. thats why he is god.

Flash is a Bonjwa. Don't argue with that troll + Show Spoiler +
or retard
...

User was warned for this post
MBCGame HERO FIGHTING!!!~
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 09:32:20
January 12 2012 09:32 GMT
#4659
On January 12 2012 18:30 Tomken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 18:26 rasers wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here


What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa.

A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash.

edit: InDaHouse explained S-class better.

Jaedong isnt a Bonjwa.

Just like Flash isnt a Bonjwa. because Flash was 2 good for being a Bonjwa. thats why he is god.

Flash is a Bonjwa. Don't argue with that troll + Show Spoiler +
or retard
...

Since when questioning a general though of concept, notice; rightfully, has been trolling?
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 12 2012 09:35 GMT
#4660
On January 12 2012 18:19 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 18:06 inamorato wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.

What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition?

S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class.

In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament.

What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?

sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good

Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now..

flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa

no issue here

This bonjwa talk is ridiculous. The koreans aren't taking the time to discuss this on thisisgame or fomos because Starcraft 2 doesn't have a bonjwa, it may never and it may be a different turn.
BTW Flash is the only bonjwa you mentioned.
The definition is a player who controls the scene for an extended period of time.

"oh koreans dont talk about it so it must mean sc2 doesnt have bonjwa"

Your argument of reasoning is astounding sir.

Unless there is governing body of organization like kespa who rules what bonjwa means, the whole word is meaningless. You cant base something on just what majority of people say, because people tend to be stupid.

Of course you can, if someone is considered to be someone by majority it sticks to him, starcraft is also a show after all. If savior/boxer etc play was considered for koreans to be bonjwa-like, and it sticked then its settled. If 1 people invented new word and later it cought and 100000 people start using it and it made sense then its written into dictionary. Because it IS used, so when Saviors domination left a special taste, was considered different then there was made a word that described it, it cought on, made sense hence it is official.

You may not like, find it stupid or nonsensical but if thousands of other people use it is settled.
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