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On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.
What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition? S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class. In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament. What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa? sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now.. flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa no issue here What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa. A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash. S-class just means you're one of the very best players at the time, like top 10-ish or even less(?).
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On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.
What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition? S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class. In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament. What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa?
S-Class are the select few elite of the BW scene at a given time. A bonjwa is someone who dominates the scene for a prolonged period of time, being neck and shoulders above all the rest and showcasing a new level of play. While Jaedong and Bisu are S-Class, they're not bonjwas. That title's reserved for the Federers, Jordans and Woods of BW.
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Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?
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On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa?
"In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."
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On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa? "In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status."
You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are?
As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa.
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On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa? "In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status." You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are? As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa.
Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people.
So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious?
Edit: And I don't want to start a debate about definition of bonjwa status.
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On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa? "In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status." You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are? As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa. Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people. So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious?
Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject?
There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts.
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On January 12 2012 17:41 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.
What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition? S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class. In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament. What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa? sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now.. flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa no issue here What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa. A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash. S-class just means you're one of the very best players at the time, like top 10-ish or even less(?). NADA
Sorry, got it messed up. Switch Jaedong for Nada.
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On January 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa? "In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status." You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are? As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa. Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people. So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious? Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject? There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts.
there is a pretty well defined definition of bonjwa: if the koreans call him bonjwa, then he's a bonjwa.
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On January 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa? "In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status." You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are? As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa. Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people. So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious? Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject? There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts.
Read my Edit.
I am talking about the players that got the Bonjwa status which is accepted in general in Korea, and for fyi the bw community has had this discussion a million of times before. Just look at old bw thread in bw section.
I am not arguing about the general definition of Bonjwa. What do u not understand?
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On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.
What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition? S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class. In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament. What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa? sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now.. flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa no issue here
This bonjwa talk is ridiculous. The koreans aren't taking the time to discuss this on thisisgame or fomos because Starcraft 2 doesn't have a bonjwa, it may never and it may be a different turn.
BTW Flash is the only bonjwa you mentioned.
The definition is a player who controls the scene for an extended period of time.
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On January 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa? "In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status." You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are? As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa. Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people. So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious? Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject? There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts.
To me Bonjwa means ice cream. Boxer is no ice cream and is therefor no bonjwa.
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I was confused for awhile because bonjwa is word used to call yourself in higher status. Oppose to soin, which is lowering yourself. But i think the term used in sc is reserved only for the top dog, for long period of time. Current bonjwa is flash so that leaves out everyone else.
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On January 12 2012 18:05 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:59 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:50 InDaHouse wrote:On January 12 2012 17:45 Fourn wrote:
Whoa, since when Is Jaedong not a bonjwa? "In the current era of Starcraft there have been two near-bonjwa status players: Jaedong and Bisu. Both made their own impact on the scene, but neither stayed completely dominant for a long enough time to attain Bonjwa status." You realize that you just quoted liquipedia right? And since when liquipedia was the official announcer of how things are? As far as I know, there is no official definition for bonjwa. Yes, I used quote signs. I was replying to that Jaedong and Bisu has never got Bonjwa status, but alot of newbies like you seems to think that and spreading that as fact to other people. So u don't think Liquipedia being reliable? Are u being serious? Where do you base your reliance for liquipedia? Since when liquipedia has been The auctoritative subject? There is no "fact" regarding what bonjwa really means. There might be somekind of consensus among big crowd of people but no facts. there is a pretty well defined definition of bonjwa: if the koreans call him bonjwa, then he's a bonjwa.
I dont care what koreans say. Also, there is fallacy argument which addresses the fallacy of believing if majority thinks something therefore its true.
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On January 12 2012 18:06 inamorato wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.
What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition? S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class. In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament. What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa? sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now.. flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa no issue here This bonjwa talk is ridiculous. The koreans aren't taking the time to discuss this on thisisgame or fomos because Starcraft 2 doesn't have a bonjwa, it may never and it may be a different turn. BTW Flash is the only bonjwa you mentioned. The definition is a player who controls the scene for an extended period of time.
"oh koreans dont talk about it so it must mean sc2 doesnt have bonjwa"
Your argument of reasoning is astounding sir.
Unless there is governing body of organization like kespa who rules what bonjwa means, the whole word is meaningless. You cant base something on just what majority of people say, because people tend to be stupid. Also there is thing called "loud minority". Do we have any evidence that even majority of koreans dont consider jaedong a bonjwa?
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On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.
What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition? S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class. In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament. What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa? sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now.. flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa no issue here What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa. A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash. edit: InDaHouse explained S-class better.
Jaedong isnt a Bonjwa.
Just like Flash isnt a Bonjwa. because Flash was 2 good for being a Bonjwa. thats why he is god.
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On January 12 2012 18:26 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.
What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition? S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class. In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament. What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa? sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now.. flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa no issue here What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa. A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash. edit: InDaHouse explained S-class better. Jaedong isnt a Bonjwa. Just like Flash isnt a Bonjwa. because Flash was 2 good for being a Bonjwa. thats why he is god.
Flash is a Bonjwa. Don't argue with that troll + Show Spoiler +...
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On January 12 2012 18:30 Tomken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 18:26 rasers wrote:On January 12 2012 17:40 Longshank wrote:On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.
What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition? S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class. In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament. What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa? sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now.. flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa no issue here What? Bisu was never considered a bonjwa. A bonjwa is a player who dominated the competition for a period of time. As far as I know, the only bonjwas are Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, iloveoov and Flash. edit: InDaHouse explained S-class better. Jaedong isnt a Bonjwa. Just like Flash isnt a Bonjwa. because Flash was 2 good for being a Bonjwa. thats why he is god. Flash is a Bonjwa. Don't argue with that troll + Show Spoiler +...
Since when questioning a general though of concept, notice; rightfully, has been trolling?
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On January 12 2012 18:19 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 18:06 inamorato wrote:On January 12 2012 17:30 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:28 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 17:25 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 12 2012 17:24 Inori wrote:On January 12 2012 15:10 Azzur wrote:On January 12 2012 15:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Guys, let me bother you for a second with a stupid question.
What is definition of "s-class"? I mean, the real, the official, the undeniable definition? S-class is a BW-term and is an unofficial term to denote the highest level BW-player. Players such as Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are S-class. The term is very exclusive and is not given to just any good player - for example, some ppl don't consider Fantasy S-class. In contrast, in SC2, Code S just means the players in that particular tournament. What's the difference between "S-class" and bonjwa? sclass is league of bad players, and bonjwa means good Wait, so Flash, Jaedong and Bisu are bad players? I'm confused now.. flash is bonjwa, jaedong is bonjwa, bisu is bonjwa no issue here This bonjwa talk is ridiculous. The koreans aren't taking the time to discuss this on thisisgame or fomos because Starcraft 2 doesn't have a bonjwa, it may never and it may be a different turn. BTW Flash is the only bonjwa you mentioned. The definition is a player who controls the scene for an extended period of time. "oh koreans dont talk about it so it must mean sc2 doesnt have bonjwa" Your argument of reasoning is astounding sir. Unless there is governing body of organization like kespa who rules what bonjwa means, the whole word is meaningless. You cant base something on just what majority of people say, because people tend to be stupid.
Of course you can, if someone is considered to be someone by majority it sticks to him, starcraft is also a show after all. If savior/boxer etc play was considered for koreans to be bonjwa-like, and it sticked then its settled. If 1 people invented new word and later it cought and 100000 people start using it and it made sense then its written into dictionary. Because it IS used, so when Saviors domination left a special taste, was considered different then there was made a word that described it, it cought on, made sense hence it is official.
You may not like, find it stupid or nonsensical but if thousands of other people use it is settled.
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