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KMARTRULES2
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia149 Posts
January 10 2012 12:42 GMT
#4281
ForGG was a BW pro and has been playing sc2 for months, can't play with the big boys in code S.
Tippereth
Profile Joined December 2009
United States252 Posts
January 10 2012 12:43 GMT
#4282
On January 10 2012 21:36 steff wrote:
This article was stupid and lacking balance when it was written its still stupid


Whoa buddy, your opinion doesn't seem very balanced. And opinions needing to show journalistic objectivity is important, apparently.
VL-Orion
Profile Joined April 2011
Indonesia78 Posts
January 10 2012 12:45 GMT
#4283
So much for the BW player will dominate, forgg looked like a mid tier code S player at best today despite playing the game for 8 months
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 10 2012 12:46 GMT
#4284
After almost a year of practice the best BW pro to switch so far wasn't quite good enough to stay in Code S. Unless there were 300 better BW players than ForGG a year ago I'm glad we can now conclude that this article was a stinking pile of hyperbole horse crap.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 12:47:29
January 10 2012 12:46 GMT
#4285
On January 10 2012 21:45 VL-Orion wrote:
So much for the BW player will dominate, forgg looked like a mid tier code S player at best today despite playing the game for 8 months


Yeah mid tier code S is awful...

edit: rofl
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
January 10 2012 12:48 GMT
#4286
excellent article, didn't know this had been written but i'm glad it was
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 12:49:56
January 10 2012 12:49 GMT
#4287
On January 10 2012 21:37 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 19:42 Kira__ wrote:
16 year old sc2 player beats OSL champion


the colossus in the room

Firstly, MSL =\= OSL.

Second... 3-time OSL champion and 2-time OSL champion fail to make R16.
Oh wait I was talking about July and Boxer.
Oh did you forget they're past their prime?
Oh did you forget that ForGG won his MSL in 2008? 4 YEARS AGO?

the colossus in the room was just a halluc by Huk.

Fin was also the best - of all those who transferred to SC2 - upon time of transfer. Dominance was thus expected.

fourGGs later, I am increasingly saddened because, frankly, I expected dominance. One-sided smashings are really more entertaining than one would expect.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
January 10 2012 12:50 GMT
#4288
On January 10 2012 21:46 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 21:45 VL-Orion wrote:
So much for the BW player will dominate, forgg looked like a mid tier code S player at best today despite playing the game for 8 months


Yeah mid tier code S is awful...

edit: rofl


Um, losing an scv to a probe and forgetting conc shells. Amazing bw history really shining!

He didn't play amazing, as this article would lead people to believe.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
January 10 2012 12:51 GMT
#4289
On January 10 2012 21:50 -TesteR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 21:46 Linwelin wrote:
On January 10 2012 21:45 VL-Orion wrote:
So much for the BW player will dominate, forgg looked like a mid tier code S player at best today despite playing the game for 8 months


Yeah mid tier code S is awful...

edit: rofl


Um, losing an scv to a probe and forgetting conc shells. Amazing bw history really shining!

He didn't play amazing, as this article would lead people to believe.


You're right. Losing an scv to a probe and forgetting an upgrade automatically dismisses the whole article

I also never said he played amazing.
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
January 10 2012 12:52 GMT
#4290
Lol the top of sc2 is still dominated by former broodwar pros. People who smirk and want to see forgg fail are just delusional. It's not even a competition between the games as it's the same group of players in both.

Not to mention he's in a group that could be the quarter finals or the semis.

#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 12:56:30
January 10 2012 12:54 GMT
#4291
On January 10 2012 21:41 steff wrote:
Cue forGG getting a difficult code A group and never getting back to code S totally nullifying this thread/first post



So wrong. Not only is ForGG really good and will breeze Code A but ForGG is not Flash. If Flash, Jaedong and Bisu switch and totally fail then you may have a point.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
January 10 2012 12:55 GMT
#4292
aren't the other people in forgg and leenock's group also former bw pros? sair and iron, right? is there really anybody who thinks that flash and bisu, or even like reality and snow, for example, wouldn't be hyped to be better than them if they switched today?
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 10 2012 12:57 GMT
#4293
On January 10 2012 21:52 Subversive wrote:
Lol the top of sc2 is still dominated by former broodwar pros. People who smirk and want to see forgg fail are just delusional. It's not even a competition between the games as it's the same group of players in both.

Not to mention he's in a group that could be the quarter finals or the semis.



You should really read the article, it's not about about what game the players came from.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 13:01:03
January 10 2012 12:57 GMT
#4294
On January 10 2012 21:45 VL-Orion wrote:
So much for the BW player will dominate, forgg looked like a mid tier code S player at best today despite playing the game for 8 months


Err most of the code s players played bw your point?
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
January 10 2012 12:57 GMT
#4295
forgg established himself in the sc2 proscene, which is an impressive feat in and itself, but he did not prove sc2 competition to be a farce, i think both sides of the argument can be content with what they got.
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 13:00:30
January 10 2012 12:59 GMT
#4296
On January 10 2012 21:55 o[twist] wrote:
aren't the other people in forgg and leenock's group also former bw pros? sair and iron, right? is there really anybody who thinks that flash and bisu, or even like reality and snow, for example, wouldn't be hyped to be better than them if they switched today?

SaiR and Iron were B-Teamers. They are elephants as much as IdrA or Ret were BW Pros.

Which is to say that they were, but the entire thesis of the article is that they shouldn't be winning things. And, uh, they are.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 10 2012 12:59 GMT
#4297
On January 10 2012 21:55 o[twist] wrote:
aren't the other people in forgg and leenock's group also former bw pros? sair and iron, right? is there really anybody who thinks that flash and bisu, or even like reality and snow, for example, wouldn't be hyped to be better than them if they switched today?


Yes they were bw pros, and targeted(MC) in the article if you would have bothered to read it.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
January 10 2012 13:01 GMT
#4298
--- Nuked ---
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 10 2012 13:02 GMT
#4299
Oh thank god people realized bw players has no skill. I believe that also so i preffer those players to continue playing bw

At least those "flash plox come sc2" will stop.

<wink>
Stork[gm]
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 10 2012 13:02 GMT
#4300
On January 10 2012 21:55 o[twist] wrote:
aren't the other people in forgg and leenock's group also former bw pros? sair and iron, right? is there really anybody who thinks that flash and bisu, or even like reality and snow, for example, wouldn't be hyped to be better than them if they switched today?


yup, because I think if they switched today and played against any Code S player tomorrow, they would just get destroyed.
SC2 needs a ton of specific SC2-practice and as long as they don't have that, they will lose. If they "are better" because they will be better after practicing SC2 hardcore... well then we can extend this argument to every person that is not practicing like a pro on the entire world and the Whale in the room would be: "John Anyone is the best Brood War player on this planet... Sadly he doesn't play it."
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