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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 06 2012 12:25 GMT
#4241
I'm not trying to completely downplay Hyun's qualification (I mean, he qualified for Code A in his first attempt!) but he faced arguably the easiest bracket to Code A. That being said, 2 months of training into Code A is still pretty darn good.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
January 10 2012 10:01 GMT
#4242
Poor elephant.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
January 10 2012 10:03 GMT
#4243
Can't resist posting in this thread... anyways, i'm really sad forGG lost as a terran fanboy but at least the elephant took some damage
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 10:05:48
January 10 2012 10:05 GMT
#4244
Lawl, Leenock was also a BW player ;].

(wasn't progamer though but A on iccup, which is more than enough for anyone to succeed in sc2)
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 10 2012 10:05 GMT
#4245
Are you guys going to bump this everytime a ex BW Pro gets beaten? ._.

Impending 1000 pages.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
January 10 2012 10:06 GMT
#4246
i wish this post was locked for good so it won't get pumped every freaking time some bw guy wins or loses
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
January 10 2012 10:07 GMT
#4247
On January 10 2012 19:05 StarStruck wrote:
Are you guys going to bump this everytime a ex BW Pro gets beaten? ._.

Impending 1000 pages.


Given people bump it everytime an ex BW pro wins I'm sure it'll happen the other way around too, it's obviously an issue that gets people passionate one way or another heh.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33650 Posts
January 10 2012 10:07 GMT
#4248
On January 10 2012 19:05 StarStruck wrote:
Are you guys going to bump this everytime a ex BW Pro gets beaten? ._.

Impending 1000 pages.


well, the TL staff bumps it whenever an ex BW pro wins, so I guess it's only fair D:
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
omegaslast
Profile Joined May 2011
223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 10:09:09
January 10 2012 10:07 GMT
#4249
On May 12 2011 23:58 omegaslast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 23:33 EnderCraft wrote:
On May 12 2011 23:30 omegaslast wrote:
On May 12 2011 23:27 EnderCraft wrote:
On May 12 2011 23:22 omegaslast wrote:
On May 12 2011 13:52 Zrana wrote:
You say that there are hundreds of players who could come in and dominate SC2 at any moment. Well why haven't they? There's nothing to stop them taking the GSL, TSL and NASL prize pools. More than enough incentive.
The answer is that SC2 is still being figured out, and it takes a different sort of player to excel at a young game than a game where the rules have already been written.


Excellent point. Apparently out of the hundred of BW pros that would "sweep" the sc2 scene, not a single one has heard of the huge prize pools of NASL and GSL. Are they too stupid to capitalize on it? or perhaps it isnt as clear cut as the OP.

within a month and a half they could make it through code A, and be in code S making boatloads of money. They could also be participating in NASL at the same time. They would be making as much as flash at that point (about $300k-$400k per year at this rate).

Flash, jaedong, bisu, im not talking about them. Im talking about the hundreds of BW pros mentioned in the OP that could apparently do this... they certainly arent making a lot of money in BW, yet they are almost "guaranteed" to if they just moved to SC2

Why play a game where you have to win 300k, when you can make 200k on salary plus winnings from tournaments your going to dominate anyway? I really don't understand thins argument.


hundreds of BW players are not getting a 200k salary plus winnings. youre insane to think that. Im going to go out on a limb and say you didnt even fully read my post.

Just keep in mind these guys have a definite income when it comes to broodwar. A lot higher than any team would offer in SC2. Also, the OP's point has yet to be proven, so they don't even know if they'd dominate. BW is just a very sound spot for many Korean progamers to be in right now.


"These guys" refer to a lot less than a couple of hundred. The OP has a point, hes just completely overestimated how many BW players would dominate at SC2. I think the amount of BW pros that could switch over and dominate are around 20-30. Like you said they have a high enough salary to keep them comfortable and dont really have much motivation to switch over.

Ill let the OP speak for himself

Show nested quote +

Low level players in Brood War make little or nothing on proteams. They help more successful players practice, and otherwise spend their time desperately clawing their way up in-house rankings for a shot at Proleague. There is no respect or fame, only the daily grind to maybe get better, maybe move up to A-team, and maybe maybe play a televised game.


Show nested quote +


I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.


300 current pros? many of which are making crap money right now, but apparently could be crushing the competition!

300 pros is a total hyperbole, and i think the OP wants that number to be huge so he can justify his belief that any sc2 competition right now is just "high school football"


LOL wut, guess i should edit my original post from 8 months ago. one of the top 30 sc1 pro gamers just lost to leenock. Doh... OP is just a huge troll who was trying to be all elitist and hating on the SC2 community.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 10 2012 10:09 GMT
#4250
On January 10 2012 19:07 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 19:05 StarStruck wrote:
Are you guys going to bump this everytime a ex BW Pro gets beaten? ._.

Impending 1000 pages.


well, the TL staff bumps it whenever an ex BW pro wins, so I guess it's only fair D:


<3 Waxy

Yeah, it won't get closed either because it is a staff article.

Just got to deal with it. BD
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 10:10:13
January 10 2012 10:09 GMT
#4251
I say this every time but apparently no one ever sees it.

The problem with this article isn't the prediction that BW pros will dominate when they switch over, it's calling the competition thus far a farce. Unless there's cheating involved, it's not a farce. GSL could be full of bronze leaguers and it wouldn't be a farce.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 10 2012 10:33 GMT
#4252
On January 10 2012 19:09 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I say this every time but apparently no one ever sees it.

The problem with this article isn't the prediction that BW pros will dominate when they switch over, it's calling the competition thus far a farce. Unless there's cheating involved, it's not a farce. GSL could be full of bronze leaguers and it wouldn't be a farce.


After a completely well reasoned post that leaves no doubt of the author's intentions or stance on the subject, you choose to take offence over semantics? Getting upset over a minor word choice when both you and I have no doubt of what riptide is really trying to say is not missing the forest for the trees, but for the twigs.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 10:41:26
January 10 2012 10:40 GMT
#4253
On January 10 2012 19:33 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 19:09 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I say this every time but apparently no one ever sees it.

The problem with this article isn't the prediction that BW pros will dominate when they switch over, it's calling the competition thus far a farce. Unless there's cheating involved, it's not a farce. GSL could be full of bronze leaguers and it wouldn't be a farce.


After a completely well reasoned post that leaves no doubt of the author's intentions or stance on the subject, you choose to take offence over semantics? Getting upset over a minor word choice when both you and I have no doubt of what riptide is really trying to say is not missing the forest for the trees, but for the twigs.

Well, I agree that Flash/Jaedong, etc will own when they switch over. He should have said "The competition has not been the highest level possible" or something. The impression I get from that opening statement is that GSL, NASL, MLG and the like are not legitimate competitions.

And I'm not upset...I'm making a post. You have a sad face in your post, not me!
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
January 10 2012 10:42 GMT
#4254
16 year old sc2 player beats OSL champion


the colossus in the room
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Exempt.
Profile Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
January 10 2012 10:44 GMT
#4255
i dont get it, fin played godly vs leenock. how did game one reflect poorly on BW players. It just doesnt mean you instantly beat the best ZvTer in sc2 though. Still have hope for fin I think he'll outdo tired mc and a supernova
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 10:50:15
January 10 2012 10:49 GMT
#4256
On January 10 2012 19:44 Exempt. wrote:
i dont get it, fin played godly vs leenock. how did game one reflect poorly on BW players. It just doesnt mean you instantly beat the best ZvTer in sc2 though. Still have hope for fin I think he'll outdo tired mc and a supernova

If you see a lot of posts, they claimed that exact thing...
Some people say that Fin is already on MMA/MVP lvl.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
January 10 2012 10:49 GMT
#4257
On January 10 2012 19:44 Exempt. wrote:
i dont get it, fin played godly vs leenock. how did game one reflect poorly on BW players. It just doesnt mean you instantly beat the best ZvTer in sc2 though. Still have hope for fin I think he'll outdo tired mc and a supernova

Godly? He didn't do any harassement or drops in two games vs a zerg. The first game was ok but in the second he got outclassed hard.
He played good but nothing more.
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
January 10 2012 11:02 GMT
#4258
On January 10 2012 19:42 Kira__ wrote:
16 year old sc2 BW ICCUP player beats OSL champion


the colossus in the room


Fixed

Iccup fighting!
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 11:08:02
January 10 2012 11:07 GMT
#4259
On January 10 2012 19:42 Kira__ wrote:
16 year old sc2 BW ICCUP player beats OSL MSL champion

the colossus in the room


On January 10 2012 20:02 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Fixed

Iccup fighting!


Ehm...
NOW its fixed
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 11:13:01
January 10 2012 11:12 GMT
#4260
On January 10 2012 19:07 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 19:05 StarStruck wrote:
Are you guys going to bump this everytime a ex BW Pro gets beaten? ._.

Impending 1000 pages.


well, the TL staff bumps it whenever an ex BW pro wins, so I guess it's only fair D:

<3
I personally hated almost everything about the article in question, but it does result in good discussion, and exBW vs SC2 makes for amazing games (Which Leenock won like a boss my I add)
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