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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
September 14 2007 10:23 GMT
#21
KTF pull yourself together god damn it!

Is garimto in the PL roster or what??
Broom
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
September 14 2007 10:57 GMT
#22
Garimto is on as captain, but you won't see him play-- if you watched the Seoul tournament's games you'd know why
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Ambergris_sTarTer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines166 Posts
September 14 2007 11:14 GMT
#23
GF and Chojja were strong players! PLEASE!
If there would be a proleague in the Philippines, we from Ambergris will take it!
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
September 14 2007 11:34 GMT
#24
First of all thanks live2win! That's why i come here, to read insider stuff like that. Makes the scene and the teams way more interesting.

Casy. We've seen it on the fotos allready and it's totaly understandabel. I think it's not only important for his redevelopement of his skills, but for his integration in the teams atmosphere too.

KTF. The part where fifo mentioned that ktf tried to trade them off is really interesting. We all knew that something doesn't quite work in KTF. It came up here several times and it's an indicator that ktf know that they have to change things. Sometimes i get the feeling that some players kinda forget their responsebility as progamers. I don't know them of course. But i believe that when good players fall behind it's because a) they have personal problems (family, team atmosphere, etc) or b) they simply let it slide and totaly forget that they are indeed replaceable (over time).
If you worked all your life as a progamer, and you saw how everything blew up around you, it's no wonder when you forget that behind all the nice things like fame and the playerhouse is acctualy tuff ass business with a crapload of money involved.

SKT1. Same here. You just can't have a player around just for the heck of it. Just because you had success back in the day, doesn't mean you can let it slide. I really do hope kingdom finds the strife to renew himself. And not just kingdom. SKT1 struggles, oov showed real power recently but you just have to have more than two (and a half) players who basicaly keep the rest on a moderate level. I believe oov still has the flame. Last season i read a interview where he said he practiced so hard until his hands hurt. I believe there's much more going on in this guys head than just the "i have to win just because i'm a progamer". He's now the captain and i have the feeling he knows what that means. It's good that they reduced his work as a captain but there's still the captain boxer skt1 thing if you know what i mean. He's the big terran now for the team.

CJ Entus. That's fantastic news in my eyes. Not only because it shows that they acknowledge their current form, but also that there is still fire in their eyes. I'm especialy happy for xellos. You allways get the feeling that he's kinda lost now. My respect for both of them. Work hard boys!
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27180 Posts
September 14 2007 11:37 GMT
#25
On September 14 2007 18:43 HonestTea wrote:
I really want Chojja to return to form, and (I can't believe I'm saying this) even more so for GoodFriend.

I never liked either, but they added a lot of color to the progaming scene.


GoodFriend added colour to the pro scene? WTF are you smoking. GF never did anything except lose in one final and lose to one hatch slow hydras. He never made a pimp play, he won the odd TvP with nice two fac play, but other than that, he has ZERO personality and ZERO accomplishments. He is a salary sink and should stop playing.

ChoJJa, he is a champion and manages to be a contender now and then. He also has personality (unlike bad friend). I could manage to see him come back. If not, between the two of them, ChoJJa will be the one to get to a new team, unless GF runs to wemade.

HonestTea, I expect better from you!
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-14 11:52:33
September 14 2007 11:52 GMT
#26
Mani you could argue that GF is so lacking in personality that it's become distinctive and thus he has a personality... one of "boringness."

Nobody is as boring and mediocre as GF. You can even call him the "champion" of mediocrity or the "most boring player in the history of starcraft." Unfortunately that very statement disqualifies him as being boring because he is in fact SO boring that he's not boring anymore.

Our planned LiquiScoop playing card for GF read "If GoodFriend is in play, you must play with your hand face up."
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FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
September 14 2007 12:00 GMT
#27
poor poor goodfriend.. if it's not hallucinated arbiter recall, having all his scv's disappear, losing to godlike july in the final, it's eternal hatred by fans for being boring. i mostly blame it on his retarded initial justin timberlake haircut
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-14 12:12:34
September 14 2007 12:09 GMT
#28
Wow wtf, I haven't been keeping up.

There's B teams now? O_o What exactly does that mean?
Btw, I'll always kinda like goodfriend, cause I thought he played good when I first saw him in the WCG 2003 Korean prelims vs ogogo
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
September 14 2007 12:38 GMT
#29
i always liked goodfriend haha you guys are mean.

just cuz he's a straight up terran thats not cocky like firebathero or chalrenge.. geez..
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
September 14 2007 14:18 GMT
#30
iris now is pretty much identical to goodfriend after ever2005
AUSSIESCUM
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rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
September 14 2007 14:23 GMT
#31
Aw come on RainBOw, get back up to A team man.

This is great news BTW, Live2Win.
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
September 14 2007 14:57 GMT
#32
On September 14 2007 23:18 SoMuchBetter wrote:
iris now is pretty much identical to goodfriend after ever2005


Haha, agreed, I thought I was the only one who thought that.

A standard Terran with no real flair or inspiration, just solid mechanics. I'm siding with Mani here, I've NEVER hid my hatred for GF over the years and don't intend to now. He simply doesn't deserve to be playing in the upper echelon of progaming and he never has. GoodRiddence to GoodFriend.

Mean, yes, but in the business of entertainment and sport there is no room for someone with zero personality, and completely mediocre skills.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
September 14 2007 15:26 GMT
#33
It's sad for chojja who was n°1 Kespa 2 years ago ...
I agree his results has not been very good lately but he's still an impressive gamer so i really hope he could come back quickly.
I just love his style.
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
September 14 2007 15:31 GMT
#34
Pretty sad to see the old-school players go to B teams... But BADFRIEND deserverd it!
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
September 14 2007 15:42 GMT
#35
how can u guys copmare iris to GF??

iris is so much more aggressive and exciting than gf :\
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
September 14 2007 16:02 GMT
#36
B-Team is like the Minors or JV? lolololol.

I really want to see Xellos come back :D
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
September 14 2007 16:56 GMT
#37
On September 14 2007 23:57 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2007 23:18 SoMuchBetter wrote:
iris now is pretty much identical to goodfriend after ever2005


Haha, agreed, I thought I was the only one who thought that.

A standard Terran with no real flair or inspiration, just solid mechanics. I'm siding with Mani here, I've NEVER hid my hatred for GF over the years and don't intend to now. He simply doesn't deserve to be playing in the upper echelon of progaming and he never has. GoodRiddence to GoodFriend.

Mean, yes, but in the business of entertainment and sport there is no room for someone with zero personality, and completely mediocre skills.

iris is standard and has no flair???

=(
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
September 14 2007 17:24 GMT
#38
-_- fighting. Everyone from now on should use "-_-" instead of "CJ"

Iris is the most aggressive Terran ever.
HJLOVE168
Profile Joined September 2007
China7 Posts
September 14 2007 17:41 GMT
#39
Thanks for the news.
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-14 18:42:01
September 14 2007 18:39 GMT
#40
Ok, first of all, I didn't make myself clear enough.

GoodFriend added color to the pro scene precisely because he was one of the best jobbers in the history of Starcraft. I mean... look at his list of memorable losses. You mentioned the Hallucination Recall on Parallel lines, the 1-hatch hydra/ling against Shark on New Cultivation, the schintillating fast tank push loss to July in the OSL finals... not to mention Death by Harassment to Rainbow, the Unusually Potent Mutalistsks of Yellow in OSL, and all the good stuff.

By being a low personality, high efficiency gamer, GoodFriend became a memorable villian (in a different way than Savior is a villian) in the pro scene.

Plus, I think it's unfair to call GoodFriend colorless. He was surely the master of the 2-fac (hmm... Iris?). He was the best at setting up contains since Gundam himself. Steve once said that GoodFriend was the player that terrified you when he was against your favorite player, and I totally agree with that.

I guess I want him back so I can see him spectacularly lose again. Plus his career is slightly underrated.

He is NOT one of the 1-fac/1-rax CC Terrans that have recently sprung up like weeds. (= GOODFRIEND IS NOT BIFROST) GoodFriend is actually an old school Terran who remembers the days before FD, before bunker rushes, before FE. So in a way, he has his own style. Consider him the Silver of Terran.

And Iris has nothing to do with anything. Iris is actually more of an aggressive Xellos in my mind.
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