[Superfight Interview] Nada vs Reach

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mdominik86

Canada142 Posts

November 12 2006 22:11 GMT

#61

how old is nada. that guy looks like he has benn 15 years old all of his life.

pyrogenetix

China5098 Posts

November 12 2006 22:25 GMT

#62

wtf mantoss got owned 3-0 T_T

jtan

Sweden5891 Posts

November 13 2006 04:26 GMT

#63

gJ Nada! I really hope he beats anytime too

Mortality

United States4790 Posts

November 13 2006 05:00 GMT

#64

On November 13 2006 06:06 Jathin wrote:

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On November 13 2006 03:45 HnR)hT wrote:

On November 13 2006 00:52 Orome wrote:

On November 11 2006 10:49 HnR)hT wrote:

On November 11 2006 09:15 Orome wrote:
Suddenly Anytime's the best new school toss again. ; )

Well, when wasn't he? I always insisted that the people who think Pusan is better are wrong. SO1 by sheer coincidence presented an ideal scenario for comparing Anytime and Pusan. Let's have a brief recap. In the challenge league leading up to SO1, Pusan was in playoffs with Rock and Boxer and lost. Anytime won his admittedly easier bracket and then beat Rock in the finals. Then, in the actual starleague, Pusan and Anytime happened to play many of the same players. The results were as follows: Pusan went 0-1 with Xellos, 2-3 with Boxer, and 2-3 with Iloveoov; Anytime went 2-1 with Xellos, 3-2 with Boxer, and 3-2 with Iloveoov (including the game Anytime lost in the group round when it didn't really matter since he was already qualified).

The one argument in Pusan's favor (based on actual results and not subjective appraisals like "he has really good macro!!") is that he has since reached top 3 in a starleague (before falling into a slump himself). If you ask me, consecutive #4 and #3 isn't even close to winning the entire thing once. So even if you don't factor this current OSL into account, it is very hard to argue that Pusan is *historically* a better player than Anytime.

Now, obviously nobody will seriously argue that Pusan is doing better than Anytime right now so if you want to deny that Anytime is the best "new school toss" you really don't have a lot to go on.

You misunderstand me. What I'm criticizing is how quickly people change their minds about players, and how certain they are of their judgement.

After Anytime won so1, he was the new hope for Protoss, best pvt in the world, etc, etc... When afterwards he went into a (very small) slump, suddenly everyone was saying he was a one-hit wonder, that he'd been lucky, that his fundamentals were lacking, you know what I'm talking about.
Now everyone's acting as though they never denied him, as though it was always obvious he was the best of the three new tosses, and I find that annoying. ; )

Well, then I agree and I too found it annoying how so many people switched from an Anytime bandwagon to a Pusan bandwagon in a flash since SO1. Remember that "toss kings" thread? Some people even argued that *Stork* was really where it was at now... But even if you read the live reports for this current OSL, a lot of people still seem to think Anytime was very lucky to beat just about anybody. For example before the Anytime vs Gorush series, someone made a mid-length post essentially making Anytime out to be total trash compared to Gorush (even in light of how the OSL went up till then) and predicting a very one-sided series. When Anytime did win, excuses were made and almost everyone predicted he will be destroyed by Midas. Just maybe, people are feeling guilty for doubting Anytime for nothing because of his "slump" and are now in denial?

Anytime's slump wasn't a slump at all. The OSL after So1, ShinHan-1, was a fucking ghost-town when it came to P's. Cultivation Period in particular was the most imba piece of shit map ever. Throughout Anytime's apparent 'slump', he was still rocking proleagues but no one paid attention to his performance there.

He's the most consistent P I've seen in this game yet.

LOL? For Cult to have fucked up Anytime it would have been necessary for him to lose to a Zerg on it. I seem to recall instead that he was in a group with Pusan, Xellos and Casy and he beat Pusan on Cult then got his ass trounced on by both Casy (on 815, a Protoss favoring map) and Xellos (on RoV, a very balanced PvT map). Then he failed to qualify to the next OSL losing 1-2 in his ODT R2 group and then in the special Boxer's 24 groups he again lost 1-2 so was not a part of the 24 man OSL that followed Shinhan 1.

Lately I'd say Ra has been the most consistent. People are just hard on him because he keeps losing to Savior, but who the fuck doesn't lose to Savior? Back to back top 4 in MSL. Ra is a machine.

Anytime has been on fire for this OSL, but if you look at his record over the more long term, you will see that it's actually quite erratic, which is half the reason I thought he was dead. The other half is that I kept seeing too many games where he would mass suicide units Pusan style without Pusan level macro to back it up. Lately he's been much more careful not to slip up. Even so, his win over Midas can be more accounted to Midas' lack of strategic diversity than to Anytime's mechanics. The only reason I think Anytime will walk over NaDa (and he will wlak over NaDa) is because NaDa is going to be too predictable for Anytime.

[X]Ken_D

United States4653 Posts

November 14 2006 03:26 GMT

#65

.. back to the Reach vs Nada part..

Reach threw away his victory in almost all 3 games. He had a big lead when he stop Nada's initial push and the ones following it. Eventually Reach's attempt to stop Nada's push wasn't doing the right amount of damage for the cost yet he kepting trying then GG.

Reach's storm was precise and damaging enough to give him a bigg lead with a so-so army. When Nada started EMP-ing Reach's Aribiters & High Templars, Reach should had spread those units better.

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