EPTI think Anytime has a much better late game than Reach though, so we'll see.
Ultimately, I'm still of the opinion that whatever his strengths Anytime just doesn't come off as impressive to me, whereas Nada does.
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
I think Anytime has a much better late game than Reach though, so we'll see. Ultimately, I'm still of the opinion that whatever his strengths Anytime just doesn't come off as impressive to me, whereas Nada does. | ||
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
 I thought score would be at least 3-2 or something | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On November 11 2006 11:42 ManaBlue wrote: Awesome translation as always.  Reach^_^ | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On November 11 2006 18:01 Mortality wrote: Are you kidding? I have already clarified the difference between "right now" and "all-time" so your argument has absolutely zero ground to stand on. Savior has been a more dominant force in progaming than NaDa for almost 2 years. Unless NaDa can prove me otherwise by beating Savior, then Savior is the stronger gamer right now. I don't recall mentioning "right now" in what I said. No matter what happens, NaDa will still be the best all-time gamer, because Savior still does not match up to the accomplishments that NaDa has. I don't care what their status is right now.... they started in different gaming eras. | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On November 11 2006 21:20 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: remember YRTGK finals? YUHHHHHH. remember IOPS semi-finals? i think someone choked quite hard there. the msl finals were bo7 too, which is different from bo5. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
On November 11 2006 04:47 HnR)hT wrote: I'm still giving Anytime a better-than-50% chance of taking the OSL. Not to offend any fans, but Anytime is a much, much smarter player than Reach, and his deep strategy and mindgame-oriented style, coupled with a good-enough micro and macro, is Nada's worst nightmare. Of course anything can happen though... And ANytime is a match oriented player, he performs bad in random games but he's the truely pwnage when it's a big match like semi or finals. It's like a dt, comming out of nowhere and pwns ppl hard. Legend of the fall!!! Btw I hate how reach doesn't get interviewed haha, probably too ashamed. T_T Reach should joint he army or at least become a male model? ^^ | ||
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2dd
Belgium421 Posts
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On November 11 2006 23:25 RivetHead wrote: remember IOPS semi-finals? i think someone choked quite hard there. the msl finals were bo7 too, which is different from bo5. yes...winning a bo7 is indeed different. its even more impressive. im not saying hes better than nada by any means, just bringing up a result since you said no zerg is ever safe from nada in a bo5. a bo7 shouldn't disqualify that result from discussion, since its harder to win than a bo5. | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On November 11 2006 10:49 HnR)hT wrote: Well, when wasn't he? I always insisted that the people who think Pusan is better are wrong. SO1 by sheer coincidence presented an ideal scenario for comparing Anytime and Pusan. Let's have a brief recap. In the challenge league leading up to SO1, Pusan was in playoffs with Rock and Boxer and lost. Anytime won his admittedly easier bracket and then beat Rock in the finals. Then, in the actual starleague, Pusan and Anytime happened to play many of the same players. The results were as follows: Pusan went 0-1 with Xellos, 2-3 with Boxer, and 2-3 with Iloveoov; Anytime went 2-1 with Xellos, 3-2 with Boxer, and 3-2 with Iloveoov (including the game Anytime lost in the group round when it didn't really matter since he was already qualified). The one argument in Pusan's favor (based on actual results and not subjective appraisals like "he has really good macro!!") is that he has since reached top 3 in a starleague (before falling into a slump himself). If you ask me, consecutive #4 and #3 isn't even close to winning the entire thing once. So even if you don't factor this current OSL into account, it is very hard to argue that Pusan is *historically* a better player than Anytime. Now, obviously nobody will seriously argue that Pusan is doing better than Anytime right now so if you want to deny that Anytime is the best "new school toss" you really don't have a lot to go on. that may be true. but the main reason i am a Pusan fan and not really an Anytime fan is because Pusan had lots of replays out before he was pro (a lot of them were vs midas too!). Anytime is much harder to judge in terms of skill because barely any amateur replays were released, and even fewer pro reps. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On November 11 2006 22:06 WhatisProtoss wrote: I don't recall mentioning "right now" in what I said. No matter what happens, NaDa will still be the best all-time gamer, because Savior still does not match up to the accomplishments that NaDa has. I don't care what their status is right now.... they started in different gaming eras. Then why are you quoting me in a post where I am saying that Savior is a stronger gamer at the moment? The purpose of my post was to clarfiy what I believe NaDa must do in order to show us that he's playing "stronger" right now (hence showing he truly is in his greatest shape ever as he has been saying). | ||
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On November 12 2006 11:46 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: yes...winning a bo7 is indeed different. its even more impressive. im not saying hes better than nada by any means, just bringing up a result since you said no zerg is ever safe from nada in a bo5. a bo7 shouldn't disqualify that result from discussion, since its harder to win than a bo5. By saying no zerg is ever safe from Nada i didnt mean he will never ever lose a bo5 (or bo7 i guess) to a zerg. It just means that he is the favorite in the matchup, no matter who the zerg is (except, most would say not me, savior). | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On November 11 2006 10:49 HnR)hT wrote: Well, when wasn't he? I always insisted that the people who think Pusan is better are wrong. SO1 by sheer coincidence presented an ideal scenario for comparing Anytime and Pusan. Let's have a brief recap. In the challenge league leading up to SO1, Pusan was in playoffs with Rock and Boxer and lost. Anytime won his admittedly easier bracket and then beat Rock in the finals. Then, in the actual starleague, Pusan and Anytime happened to play many of the same players. The results were as follows: Pusan went 0-1 with Xellos, 2-3 with Boxer, and 2-3 with Iloveoov; Anytime went 2-1 with Xellos, 3-2 with Boxer, and 3-2 with Iloveoov (including the game Anytime lost in the group round when it didn't really matter since he was already qualified). The one argument in Pusan's favor (based on actual results and not subjective appraisals like "he has really good macro!!") is that he has since reached top 3 in a starleague (before falling into a slump himself). If you ask me, consecutive #4 and #3 isn't even close to winning the entire thing once. So even if you don't factor this current OSL into account, it is very hard to argue that Pusan is *historically* a better player than Anytime. Now, obviously nobody will seriously argue that Pusan is doing better than Anytime right now so if you want to deny that Anytime is the best "new school toss" you really don't have a lot to go on. You misunderstand me. What I'm criticizing is how quickly people change their minds about players, and how certain they are of their judgement. After Anytime won so1, he was the new hope for Protoss, best pvt in the world, etc, etc... When afterwards he went into a (very small) slump, suddenly everyone was saying he was a one-hit wonder, that he'd been lucky, that his fundamentals were lacking, you know what I'm talking about. Now everyone's acting as though they never denied him, as though it was always obvious he was the best of the three new tosses, and I find that annoying. ; ) | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
i want to ask everyone, where is pusan now? where is everyone arguing that his 3rd/4th place was such a great achievement? | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On November 13 2006 00:52 Orome wrote: You misunderstand me. What I'm criticizing is how quickly people change their minds about players, and how certain they are of their judgement. After Anytime won so1, he was the new hope for Protoss, best pvt in the world, etc, etc... When afterwards he went into a (very small) slump, suddenly everyone was saying he was a one-hit wonder, that he'd been lucky, that his fundamentals were lacking, you know what I'm talking about. Now everyone's acting as though they never denied him, as though it was always obvious he was the best of the three new tosses, and I find that annoying. ; ) Well, then I agree and I too found it annoying how so many people switched from an Anytime bandwagon to a Pusan bandwagon in a flash since SO1. Remember that "toss kings" thread? Some people even argued that *Stork* was really where it was at now... But even if you read the live reports for this current OSL, a lot of people still seem to think Anytime was very lucky to beat just about anybody. For example before the Anytime vs Gorush series, someone made a mid-length post essentially making Anytime out to be total trash compared to Gorush (even in light of how the OSL went up till then) and predicting a very one-sided series. When Anytime did win, excuses were made and almost everyone predicted he will be destroyed by Midas. Just maybe, people are feeling guilty for doubting Anytime for nothing because of his "slump" and are now in denial? | ||
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
1. pro replays are not released 2. we don't have a huge database of pro records (or do we?) in english. it's too bad liquibet records are reset every season 3. vods are fine and dandy, but the commentators aren't the best at following actions and can frequently miss the "big picture." e.g. if you have been focusing on oov's micro for last few minutes then you will be surprised when you find out that he has been multitasking the whole time and has made 10000 tanks. | ||
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