Zest beat Hero recently and easily beat Pilipili 3-0 in that Land invitational tournament. He just beat Hush in SSl challange.

So yes his PVP is fine.

Sakat

Croatia1599 Posts

July 17 2017 14:23 GMT

#3622

I think his vT is his biggest problem tbh, and there are just too many solid terrans so he can't just avoid them

Rolltide

United States447 Posts

July 17 2017 14:27 GMT

#3623

Did not play bad at all losing to Leenock 3-2. 2nd place in the tournament and another $50 made.

Beat Hades-Hero-Neeb to get that far. Not bad at all.

Am I the only one who doesn't like that fat slob Rifkin?

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Rolltide

United States447 Posts

July 17 2017 14:33 GMT

#3624

I don't want to restart another argument but the last 2 times Zest played Hero he beat him. So how is Hero more deserving of that GSL vs The world tournament? You can say that Hero is better against Zerg and Terran but Hero has always had a problem with the top Toss players.

Zest just beat the top foreign player around in Neeb.

Lil_nooblet

United States459 Posts

July 17 2017 14:45 GMT

#3625

Stupid small mistakes are really hurting him in PvZ like the last game missing the forcefield in the beginning of the game against Leenock and also forgetting to put a pylon at his third on Proxima. At least stuff like that is easily correctable.

Elentos

55571 Posts

July 17 2017 14:49 GMT

#3626

On July 17 2017 23:33 Rolltide wrote:
I don't want to restart another argument but the last 2 times Zest played Hero he beat him. So how is Hero more deserving of that GSL vs The world tournament? You can say that Hero is better against Zerg and Terran but Hero has always had a problem with the top Toss players.

Zest just beat the top foreign player around in Neeb.

He didn't play ROOT herO, he played former Liquid HerO. A much lower level player.

Fango

United Kingdom8987 Posts

July 17 2017 15:15 GMT

#3627

Is Liquid HerO semi retired right now? He must be right?

Zest did beat herO (the former CJ one) 2-1 a few days ago to be fair, that plus gis wins against Classic and Neeb would indicate that his PvP isn't god awful

Rolltide

United States447 Posts

July 17 2017 15:28 GMT

#3628

I saw some of liquid Hero's stream the other day but he was not playing Starcraft. He was playing soldier unknown.

He must be retired he is not in the top 20 in circuit wcs points. Hey a win is a win at this stage for Zest. 2-0 vs Neeb is very impressive.

Rolltide

United States447 Posts

July 17 2017 15:31 GMT

#3629

For those who did not see it Zest dropped a force field behind the sentry and unnecessarily lost the sentry early in game 5 vs Leenock.

Sentries , one of the reasons I like SC2 more than Broodwar.

Rolltide

United States447 Posts

July 19 2017 01:28 GMT

#3630

Zest is playing at the homestory cup in a day and a half. 3 name Koreans are in it, Zest, Byun, Gumiho and some of the top Europeans, Showtime, Drogo, Elazer, TLO, Serral.

Would be a stretch to think Zest could win that but he has a chance.

For those who think Zest could not beat liquid Bunny? You might find out. That Terran Bunny is playing in this tournament.

Olli

Austria24422 Posts

July 19 2017 07:30 GMT

#3631

Let's not kid ourselves. Bunny is essentially retired, Zest would steamroll him. I know he hasn't been performing as of late, but some of you here are ridiculous.

Rolltide

United States447 Posts

July 19 2017 15:17 GMT

#3632

I turned on the belated(They broadcasted 3 hours after to not interfere with GSL) bastradetv tournament just now to find JJakji playing Cure. That means that Zest lost to JJakji in rd 1.

We talk about Zest vs Liquid Bunny. How about Zest vs Demuslim? That is Zest's first match in group tomorrow. My god he has to be able to beat that guy.

Fango

United Kingdom8987 Posts

July 19 2017 16:35 GMT

#3633

I'd expect him to trade maps with jjakji tbh. They're both on that Code A/SSL challenge kinda level

On July 17 2017 23:23 Sakat wrote:
I think his vT is his biggest problem tbh, and there are just too many solid terrans so he can't just avoid them

Everyone is struggling against terran right now. Even the terrans, so few consistant TvTers in korea right now

Lil_nooblet

United States459 Posts

July 19 2017 17:06 GMT

#3634

On July 20 2017 00:17 Rolltide wrote:
I turned on the belated(They broadcasted 3 hours after to not interfere with GSL) bastradetv tournament just now to find JJakji playing Cure. That means that Zest lost to JJakji in rd 1.

We talk about Zest vs Liquid Bunny. How about Zest vs Demuslim? That is Zest's first match in group tomorrow. My god he has to be able to beat that guy.

Zest didn't play in the tournament. He was a walkover since he is travelling to hsc right now.

Fango

United Kingdom8987 Posts

July 19 2017 17:23 GMT

#3635

Lol he wasn't close to getting the protoss vote after all. If this was last year he would have 100% had it

Rolltide

United States447 Posts

July 19 2017 20:06 GMT

#3636

For those who have yet to check the vote totals this is how it went.

Protoss- Hero and Showtime.

Zerg- Dark and Scarlett

Terran- Byun and Kelazar.

Zest got 17% of the vote. SoS was second to Hero for the GSL vote.

So all that complaining about voting was a waste of time. The right people basically got in. You can take some issue with Scarlett but that is about it.

Democracy wins.

Fango

United Kingdom8987 Posts

July 19 2017 23:38 GMT

#3637

Didn't ByuN get the terran vote not gumiho

Vutalisk

United States680 Posts

July 19 2017 23:46 GMT

#3638

On July 20 2017 08:38 Fango wrote:
Didn't ByuN get the terran vote not gumiho

Yah ByuN got the vote. Not sure why the guy above you said GuMiho. That was a mistake.

Also I disagree with "right people got in". GuMiho is out but ByuN is in. That is not right. Scarlett is in but Elazer and Snute are out? That is not right either. So 2 wrong there. ByuN and Scarlett are the consequences of the whole popular fan vote.

Rolltide

United States447 Posts

July 20 2017 06:08 GMT

#3639

The invites were supposed to be based on WCS points at the time. Gumiho had more points than TY. That's a mistake blizzard made.

Points from Valencia would not have mattered since neither played there.

pvsnp

7676 Posts

July 20 2017 06:13 GMT

#3640

On July 20 2017 15:08 Rolltide wrote:
The invites were supposed to be based on WCS points at the time. Gumiho had more points than TY. That's a mistake blizzard made.

Points from Valencia would not have mattered since neither played there.

No, the GSL vs the World announcement explicitly stated:
"Note: invites are based on WCS Korea Standings, excluding IEM Shanghai and GSL Season 3"

Gumiho did have more points than TY, but that was only because Gumiho had 600 points from GSL Season 3 and TY had 200. Since Gumiho played in the very first GSL Ro32 group and TY is in the very last GSL Ro32 group it would be extremely unfair to punish TY for Afreeca's scheduling.

Excluding those points places TY above Gumiho, and hence TY was invited as #4 while Gumiho was not as #5.
There was no mistake from Blizzard.

Source: https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/20890405/GSL-vs.-the-World---Invites-and-Open-Voting/