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On July 31 2017 16:13 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2017 17:33 Sakat wrote:
Is it just me, or does TY lose to cheese all the time? most macro-orientated players tend to lose to cheese Scarlett and Bly vs Neeb; Rogue vs Rain in 2015 GSL Season 1 and 3 Ro16; Life vs Taeja in 2014 Blizzcon and Life vs Lilbow and Inno in 2015 Blizzcon; Classic quadruple cannon rushing vs soO in Frost in 2014 GSL Season 2; sOs vs herO every time they play against each other Has cannon rush vs Jaedong on King sejong station and mass oracles this year and vs violet at IEM Shanghai last year; and the list goes on...
Sometime they lose, and sometime they won. I saw multiple games which the cheese player go all - in just to die by a counter attack.
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sometimes TY is super solid vs cheese like in the blink era or blizzconn vs elazer and sometimes he is super bad vs it
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On July 31 2017 16:13 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2017 17:33 Sakat wrote:
Is it just me, or does TY lose to cheese all the time? most macro-orientated players tend to lose to cheese Scarlett and Bly vs Neeb; Rogue vs Rain in 2015 GSL Season 1 and 3 Ro16; Life vs Taeja in 2014 Blizzcon and Life vs Lilbow and Inno in 2015 Blizzcon; Classic quadruple cannon rushing vs soO in Frost in 2014 GSL Season 2; sOs vs herO every time they play against each other Has cannon rush vs Jaedong on King sejong station and mass oracles this year and vs violet at IEM Shanghai last year; and the list goes on...
Lol sOs and herO macro oriented players lol.
Tbh given the number of games they play/win, I'd be suprised if TY, Inno, Rain etc winrates against cheese were lower than the average player. It's more the fact that they tend to win every "standard" game, and so when they do lose, it's normally to cheese.
It's not like you just cheese them and win, it's more you have no chance at winning if you play macro, and a decent chance if you cheese it.
(although there are some players it seems you can just cheese and get an easy win because they hate scouting. Namely Classic and herO)
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well his tvz vs scarlett was brutal
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Yeah stomped her even harder than expected.
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Yeah I gave her decent odds to at least win a game, but TY just went full 'Nope' mode.
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More evidence that his TvZ is really back in form. Drops and liberator harass en masse. Good to see.
Will be interesting to see him go up against soo/Dark in a Bo5 if he beats Neeb as expected.
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His TvZ was never out of form. His last loss offline loss in a series was in GSL S1
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On August 04 2017 23:00 Fango wrote:
His TvZ was never out of form. His last loss offline loss in a series was in GSL S1
Looking at the stats, his winrate is actually at 81% (offline) and has only lost to soO (2-3) and ByuL (0-1) after the big patch last winter. I'm a bit suprised.
I still think he looks stronger now than he did in the beginning of the year. But, yeah, 'out of form' is not really what to call it.
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TY just for the longest time didn't play against many Zergs. The biggest offline match he lost, and his online appearances generally weren't spectacular. He won IEM and WESG this year and the best Zerg he played offline to do it was Stephano.
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Honestly TY and Inno are just looking unbeatable in TvZ right now. I can only see them losing to Dark or Solar, and even then they're still favoured.
(Then again both of them look like they will win every tournament and then choke to someone)
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That looked like the quintessential TY reverse-sweep... First, a game where he is a bit off and loses a fairly close game. Then, an absolutely stupid game. And finally, losing to the worst of dirty strats (phoenix-adept).
But Neeb pushing to heavily gave him an opportunity, and he woke up. Thank god man, that would just have been too much.
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He just got it together. Honestly, his play in the games he won was so good and well thought out that it's hard to believe he almost went 2-0 into 2-3 again.
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TY had better not allow the reverse-sweep again *bites nails*
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Finals here we come. TvT vs Inno.
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That could be the best TvT of the year or a wild disappointment. I'm pumped.
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Will be interesting, basically 50-50 with a slight edge for TY i think
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TY is generally ahead of Inno in TvT. But Inno looked so strong against Maru
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Hope it will be sick. Definitely two best terrans.
Very hard to call since Innovation is in excellent shape and seems to have improved his TvT.
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TY has always been monstrous in TvT but INnoVation has improved his own TvT a lot lately. Really hard to call
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EPT
