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sneakyfox
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Elentos
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That's some proper awareness. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Guess he no longer prefers those early games. Doesn't bode well for Saturday's morning match when he's been up all night playing war chest team league On August 03 2020 22:59 Elentos wrote: "Guys, just because I suck big time online, you shouldn't count me out in offline events" That's some proper awareness. I wonder what his team captain would say to that  | ||
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BobFossil1
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sneakyfox
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On August 04 2020 14:20 BobFossil1 wrote: TY's analysis (of strategies and living life as a progamer) is always very interesting. I hope we keep seeing more and more of these translated videos. There's a mixture of really insightful things and then random and entertaining analysis about his mindset or something else. And, let's be real, a good amount of TY's very own puzzling statements | ||
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BobFossil1
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And, let's be real, a good amount of TY's very own puzzling statements Of course! | ||
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yubo56
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BobFossil1
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BobFossil1
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BobFossil1
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Game 5 16/17 probes was great but he had overcommitted. He talked about why PartinG's counter against that marauder build didn't work due to him still having the marauders alive and on that short map I think that's what I think he was talking about with what could go wrong. The early shield batteries led to some early losses and blunted the force of that timing. It might have snowballed with him getting more probes and escaping with more army if Stats hadn't have been so careful about his early defences. Perhaps it wasn't the right strategy vs Stats, but after the dust settled he would have been fine if only his tanks had have gotten one or two more shots off vs the deep orange colossi. He'd all but stabilised. It's hard to tell exactly what happened in game 6 when he counter-attacked at one stage before he started being pulled apart by DTs, but if he had have gone through with his idea to drop in Stats main instead of unloading, the robo army was very out of position and I think recall was on cool down. Instead, he never shut down Stat's probes enough and he just didn't react soon enough to what Stats started to do with mass DTs. Maybe he had a timing earlier if he left as soon as the archons went down, before disruptors, but I'm not sure. All credit to Stats. He played fantastically. I really hope he goes on to win it all. I don't think I can be too upset at what TY brought today. It was such a close series. I was pretty worried about TY's TvZ at the moment anyway in a BO7 series, so I'm not sure if he would have had it against Rogue, who was a clear favourite IMO as soon as he dealt with DRG. Going forward, I love TY's aggression in the past couple of seasons, which is helping him dictate the pace of a lot of games, but I'm not sure if he still has the same confidence in his late game. I'd like to see him try to transition into ultimate late-game armies after getting into favourable positions and turtle a bit more while dropping more regularly as well as a change-up play. | ||
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Elentos
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In general it seems to me that TY tried to prepare builds for his opponent while Stats worked on mastering one specific style that's really powerful in the current meta. The bio timings with 1/1, tanks and vikings are increasingly popular and very powerful and Stats was super ready for them with his very fast 3 colossi into disruptors. Stats knew that if he doesn't outright die to such timings, his chances to win go through the roof. On August 08 2020 15:00 BobFossil1 wrote: I'd like to see him try to transition into ultimate late-game armies after getting into favourable positions and turtle a bit more while dropping more regularly as well as a change-up play. This is something TY used to be infamous for. Harassing, harassing, harassing but then going for late game, never ending things and constantly letting his opponents come back into games that Maru or Inno would have ended in under 10 minutes. As fun as that was to watch he's been more successful since he stopped with that. | ||
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BobFossil1
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This is something TY used to be infamous for. Harassing, harassing, harassing but then going for late game, never ending things and constantly letting his opponents come back into games that Maru or Inno would have ended in under 10 minutes. As fun as that was to watch he's been more successful since he stopped with that. Definitely a relevant point and I agree that his style is way superior now (I think he has read what he needs to do to be better and he must be terribly hard to prepare against right now), but it used to be a very normal game for him and now it would be a point of difference. Once in a BO7 only. Maybe even mech into BCs or something. Stats was pulling him apart when he was trying to bring mid-late game aggression then. It might have led to a different style of game where Stats isn't as comfortable when forcing the aggression. Of course, I wouldn't like him to default there if he does higher than expected damage with drops, but I don't see that against Stats, more a situation where his harass keeps Stats on his toes and gives TY time to be greedy and then sure up his defences with turret rings, PFs and full spread of sensor towers. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Still it's a shame TY couldn't play his best. I would like to blame the early time slot, the fact had he stayed up late to play team league, plus David Kim. | ||
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BobFossil1
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Still it's a shame TY couldn't play his best. I would like to blame the early time slot, the fact had he stayed up late to play team league, plus David Kim. A lot of people are saying Terran is in a great spot with the meta ATM--and I do think that their early-mid game has stabilised vs Protoss very well and was always relatively stable against Zerg--but I'm not a huge fan of their late-game options vs either race. That's where he suffered. Because he was actually ahead so much of that series. Things that worked before seem to have been figured out. It often feels like it takes a Terran playing out of their socks to take down a top tier Zerg or Protoss invested in a late game. Certainly, they can do it, but if they play a long set of elongated games (ie Bo7) then it is very hard work. Late game Protoss players have figured out the power of disruptors and blink DTs (finally!) vs. T. It makes their main army so hard to engage and their harassment pretty diabolical. It kills more quickly than drops at lesser cost, with no mass recall shut down. I'm not sure what happened to double PF builds and even more so mass ranged liberators, but I think ghosts have been effected because now the Protoss can kite back after EMPs and Terran can't pursue safely with bio. Zerg players, such as Serral and Reynor, have made Zerg look like such a complete race and just amazing to watch (when it's not a player you really care about on the other side). Lesser Zergs also look hard to stop at times. While I say this, I do not mind the state of balance at all. I think that a lot of this is because Zerg and Protoss playstyles have evolved. I tend to think it will just take some new Terran builds and it can potentially swing back to them, but for right now I see why TY and any other Terran (Maru/Inno) included would struggle with a Stats playing at such a top tier level (it's a credit to him that he is often fantastic when the meta stabilises) right now. I also think that TY at his best potentially defines the meta/shapes it to his style and that's why he's been consistently good for a long time. I'm looking forward to what he brings for the next GSL to compliment what he's done in the last two, since he's shown some pretty killer instinct and early build mastery. | ||
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sneakyfox
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He went 6-4 but 2-0 in ace matches. His losses were against Reynor (on worse ping, a game that any Terran would struggle to win), Rogue (where he won the ace match afterwards), PartinG (the day before his match against Stats), and uThermal. The last one is the one that's really bad imo, but his team actually won anyway. Hope he has a strong showing in the playoffs, especially since he has nothing else to play for at the moment. | ||
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sneakyfox
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BobFossil1
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What I liked about the Solar build was that it was a different style of mech and it just reminds me that TY is such a creative player. If anyone will work out a sustainable mid-late game strategy vs top tier Zerg (Serral, Reynor, Dark, Rogue) then he will. I can't imagine he would be fun to play against atm, because his variety of early game gambits is really strong. Obviously, there's a few things he's still working on, but it gives me hope he can recapture his once brutal late-game play and be as complete and consistent as Serral/Reynor. On a side note, I loved the team league because it featured so many foreigner vs Korean match ups and the gap is as close as it's ever been. I like these games because there are subtle differences in the meta depending on player/server and it's fun to watch TY play against a range of styles. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Really enjoyed watching him play too. Submarine doesn't seem like TY's map in TvT but he brought it home in the end. The Solar game went very well after the blue flame gamble. At the time I thought he was crazy for switching into battle mech with 3-3 almost done but TY obviously knows best. It's good to see that he is still strong. Seems we can look forward to the next Code S season, he should be a contender again, especially if Dark is still not playing his best (only one evil patchzerg to contend with). | ||
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sneakyfox
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sneakyfox
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Also, apparently Afreeca changed the rules in the GSL? TY will hold the top seed for Wednesday's group selections, as he has more GSL points than the defending champion. So he should be able to make a doable group for himself. | ||
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