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On January 03 2014 13:24 Arkansassy wrote:
For all the "flaws" you might think avilo has, I suggest you look in the mirror. He has never attacked anyone personally and for that matter isn't so rude to go into another persons stream thread and throw insults at them. You should be a shamed of yourselves.
@Lynna, yes, he has to pat himself on the back, because no one else gives him credit. I've seen him do things that other players got credit for. So, if his attitude is a bit exaggerated, it's understandable.
And like I said, if you don't like the guy, it's your option, but to come to HIS stream thread and BM him, is a pretty sad statement and makes you, waffles, less of a person than him.
Oh I'm sorry I thought you were going to stop replying to me? What gives? Truth train hits hard I suppose. The other guy brought this up too, this mentality that no one should be bm yet you support the king of bm himself... can you see the irony in this?
"I find it very strange that Avilo's fanbase emphasizes being nice and discourages BM as a whole while proclaiming that Avilo himself doesn't BM -- that he's the victim. That isn't the case though. I've played Avilo on the ladder, lost, and gotten BM'ed. I didn't snipe him, didn't stream cheat, I lost the game. Usually it was a stomp in the super late game and I still get BM'ed or whined at. It's the same when I watch his stream. He can hardly go a game without making a silly claim about balance or what have you whether it's provoked or not." -Shebuha
I will say this again because it seems you missed my point. His actions and his actions alone have warranted any BM he gets in return. You can't dish shit and not expect to take shit. You can try but you look about as pathetic as you do now, no reason no logic just "avilo good, everything else bad". Thats about how you sound right now.
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On January 03 2014 11:14 Lyyna wrote:
he's trying to brag and give all credits to himself
This is the first I've heard of avilo not giving credit for builds because every other time it has been people (myself included) begging him to stop doing his own style and to start copying Korean pros.
One build he's done that he calls the 4-4-4 he said multiple times he based on something the Korean pro FanTaSy did. Aside from that who does he owe credit to? The typical names that get mentioned as also playing mech don't play it like he does.
On the other hand, everyone amazed last week by TY's use of a sensor tower to counter a blink all-in by herO in Proleague wouldn't have been amazed if they watched avilo because he's been doing it for months.
He wants to point flaws in balance and the overall game, but ends up talking about it every single hour of the day,
As avilo replied, it's hard to avoid the subject when more than every other game is against Protoss.
he himself fuel his haters and make it worse by saying "i don't care lol" even when people just want to help him by pointing what makes him hated by a lot.. for some good reasons
I've tried various suggestions, for example saying "gg" every time to make detractors happy but he prefers to only say it for games he actually feels were good by both players or in tournaments. It's easy to use the lack of gg against avilo and it would be an easy change for him to make, but in a way it's actually a sign of personal integrity.
But at some point, when so many people tells you the same things again and again and again about your flaws, considering what you want to achieve, you should try to improve yourself instead of just ignoring them, blaming them, or acting like it's totally undeserved
Y'know in high school lots of people told me again and again about my flaws and how I should change and act and the opinions I should have and how I should express them in order to be popular so I could sit at the cool kids table. I didn't change and I still had lunch with the cheerleaders every day.
It's funny. Tasteless (and others) get mocked for having lost the passion for SC2. avilo's problem clearly is too much passion. People complain about Blizzard not doing enough about hackers but avilo should never say a word about suspicious play. More and more evidence shows up that Protoss is too safe in the early game and Terran has too few viable builds but avilo should what, limit it to one five minute rant a day as he plays Protoss after Protoss on the ladder? And hate against avilo is okay because 'he started it' is a fine standard, even when he doesn't start it?
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On January 03 2014 13:30 captainwaffles wrote:
Oh I'm sorry I thought you were going to stop replying to me? What gives? Truth train hits hard I suppose.
Or...... it could be that Arkansassy and avilo are two different people. Score one for the home team. And you were feeling so smug and smart and good about yourself, weren't you?
The other guy brought this up too, this mentality that no one should be bm yet you support the king of bm himself... can you see the irony in this?
There is no irony here, Alanis. avilo laughs about the trash talk directed at him. He was treated as a punchline and his response was to stream more, practically every day. The flaw in your logic is that avilo's basic trash talk is returned a hundredfold, often on a personal level.
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On January 03 2014 16:01 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 13:30 captainwaffles wrote:
Oh I'm sorry I thought you were going to stop replying to me? What gives? Truth train hits hard I suppose. Or...... it could be that Arkansassy and avilo are two different people. Score one for the home team. And you were feeling so smug and smart and good about yourself, weren't you? Show nested quote +The other guy brought this up too, this mentality that no one should be bm yet you support the king of bm himself... can you see the irony in this? There is no irony here, Alanis. avilo laughs about the trash talk directed at him. He was treated as a punchline and his response was to stream more, practically every day. The flaw in your logic is that avilo's basic trash talk is returned a hundredfold, often on a personal level.
I got one person to stop responding to me because he knows I'm right and I got the other person to start replying to me again after she said she would stop, I did feel a bit smug about that.
Idk what you're even trying to say in the second part it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. You quoted me and then said something that side stepped what I said.
I have no qualm with you. You're just a misguided fanboy. Enjoy the new year.
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On January 03 2014 12:16 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 09:34 captainwaffles wrote:On January 03 2014 06:58 Shebuha wrote:On January 03 2014 05:49 captainwaffles wrote:On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote:Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature. If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time.  I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him. At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make. Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online. I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust. Wishing you all a better New Year. Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you. I find it very strange that Avilo's fanbase emphasizes being nice and discourages BM as a whole while proclaiming that Avilo himself doesn't BM -- that he's the victim. That isn't the case though. I've played Avilo on the ladder, lost, and gotten BM'ed. I didn't snipe him, didn't stream cheat, I lost the game. Usually it was a stomp in the super late game and I still get BM'ed or whined at. It's the same when I watch his stream. He can hardly go a game without making a silly claim about balance or what have you whether it's provoked or not. He brings it on himself indeed. Theres nothing strange about it, he just a hypocrite. Whats funny about it though is he'll say for example root players "bm him" and pretend to be angels everywhere else and here is doing the same exact thing, bming the fuck out of everyone and then when he gets called out he tries (keyword tries) to spin some kind of BS. Oh you must have seen the game where i played a rootseed player and they thought it was perfectly acceptable to just insta unpause the game because it's "avilo." There are some people that think it's perfectly ok to BM me just because other people in the community do it, then they do it too because it's trendy or some shiot. The difference is if I BM someone on ladder it's usually in fun and i'm just trolling...and i never personally insult them about who they are. I'll call someone bad every now and then, sure. Or gimmicky. I never insult their own person, nor would i want to.
First of all, I saw that game and what happened was you paused without saying anything. Not saying it's wrong or right to unpause immediately though. I personally just wait because I'm in no rush, but players that don't like you, whether it's because of popular opinion like you say, or because they have good reason won't.
Secondly, you called me retarded multiple times in one game when it was unprovoked -- admittedly it wasn't very recent -- but I hear from friends on the ladder that you continue to do shit similar to that, and it isn't fucking cool. Also, bm is bm... I don't understand how anyone can think some forms are okay and others are not. Additionally, if you bm/troll someone on the ladder who you don't know you really can't expect them to take it well every time when you don't know them. It doesn't help that some things are lost in translation due to text.
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@dvorak : Anytime someone does something original he does, you are sure to find something on his twitter at the very least..
It's hard to avoid talking about balance, but there is a difference between talking about balance, and actually never leaving the subject, talking in very negative terms, and attributes all your losses to it
I don't give a frak about gg every game, the problem is the way he talks back to and about people general (even when people deserve it, what's the point of talking worse than them ? And what about random people he doesn't know at all ?), and the fact he can never accept any form of criticism. Look how he responded to my previous post... He himself makes sure that anything good he says (and he says a damn huge amount of right things) is going to get buried under rage and trashtalk
You weren't trying to be a known person in high school while complaining at the same time people are harsh to you and acting like they don't have any reason at all to do so, right ? That's what he's doing, and that's the problem. Asking for respect while keeping doing the exact things that create lack of respect.. ? That's idiotic
@Sassy : he never started personal attacks, but whenever someone dares to say a single bad word towards him, this person automatically become a streamsniper/cheater, a bad player, and deserves every single trashtalk. Honestly, how do you want not to be seen as a jerk when your 'defense" is to basically be a bigger jerk? Being attacked isn't a reason to act like that, especially when after that you talk about how unrespectful people are towards you and wonder why
There is quite a difference, again, between "having some original play before others" and "acting like every single innovation of your race is because of you". A Korean use nukes in lategame ? Brag on twitter, brag on stream, talks about how commentators takes credits away from you because hey praised the korean and not you even if you did the same thing 1.97 weeks and 3 days ago. Heavy raven use lategame ? Acts like you're the one who got copied by koreans. Banshees in mech TvP ? Omg Avilo discovered all of it in HotS and is the first mech terran even to do so !
He acts like he's THE one who does this before anyone else. Well, to take an example.. i use ravens and air switches in any MU since early 2011, and banshees were a big part of the TvP mech style that i made a guide of, back in early 2012. And well, i'm not fucking trying to get any credit for that, even if i can prove with bunchs of replays that i was doing most major innovations in the terran gameplay (switches, hellion/Banshee, mech with air support, w/e...) months or even a full year before any pro did it in a streamed game and made it my standards before avilo even started to try it seriously.
You give it in one word. "Exaggerated". He's going too far every time, when responding to someone who attacks him, when talking about his achievements, when talking about balance, etc.. he's himself creating the situation. Obiously it's good for him because as he said, haters makes him famous, but at some point, he has to chose between starting to deserve this respect he wants, or just dropping the part where he acts like his bad reputation is totally undeserved
I do like Avilo' style and insights and his whole good side, he can be a GREAT person with an insane knowledge and understanding of the game, and i say it again, he can be an absolutely huge and respected part of the community. But for that, he has to stop acting like he's doing right now, because he's just going full Idra at the moment. You want not to be seen as a jerk ? Then stop using any reason you can find to act like one, and stop acting like one.
Or if you really want to stay like this, at least try to assume it, stop asking for more respect/wondering why so much people hates you when you give yourself reasons for them to do so. Act like everyone is a mindless hater and stop acting any hate you get is totally undeserved. BUT.STOP.DOING.BOTH.AT.THE.SAME.TIME.
This is not fucking "hate". This is just me being realistic and trying to open everyone' eyes. Trying to ignore Avilo's flaws isn't helping him at all and only make his "whiner who plays mech and is known because he rages more than Idra and made a couple of funny guides who acts like he's the man who made every single terran metagame evolution happen and sometimes say smart things... covered by a layer of rage" position even worse because some people says he's right no matter what and will make him go further that way. Not everyone giving criticism is a hater, and hardcore fans aren't a good thing, it must be understood...
Dear god, people, including avilo himself, try to turn this into a war with only 2 sides : people who are actively supporting him by not doing anything negative (even when deserved), and absolutely all the others, people who want to burn him right away. A fucking war between terran and protoss, a fucking war between people who only aim at discrediting the other hardert, a fucking war between every single mech terran to get popular, a fucking war with koreans to be crowned as innovative, a fucking retarded war with everyone involved with avilo's playstyle, stream, or reputation. Don't you realize there might be an in-between with people who JUST wants the whole situation to get better by being REALISTIC and trying to make both sides OPEN THEIR EYES?
finished editing everything, i'll just let it like there. Probably will stop responding too, since trying to put everyone in a better position seems a lost cause. I'm really sad because of this, this is absolutely idiotic to ends up in a situation like this just because people...oh well, i don't even know
Good luck for the rest
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I agree with Lyyna. Not everyone who criticizes is a hater. I throughly enjoy Avilo's stream due to his playstyle and genuine enthusiasm, but I still find his condescending attitude annoying. A lot of the hate that's been directed against him over the past few years has been injustified, but that doesn't mean that everyone who comments on his manners is just out to ruin his day just because they can. I like Avilo's style, and I would like it even more if he could tone the rage down and start giving credit to his opponents where credit is due.
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On January 03 2014 20:43 Lyyna wrote:
I don't give a frak about gg every game
But some do. Different people have different standards. I personally don't care for trash talk and it seems you really don't like it but some people do and overall I prefer honest emotional responses to someone always biting their tongue. While I would love to see avilo become a statesman for StarCraft, I can't say it is an ideal role for him.
It's a fine line and I don't expect everyone to make the distinction but I can't recall a single case of avilo's trash talk being a direct attack against anyone. There is an important difference when "This guy is retarded" means 'He has a mental problem' and when it means 'He's doing something in the game that is a bad idea'.
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lol Dvorak, you should become a spokesperson for avilo. Your posts are well-written and right on.
I said it once and I'll say it again...people that have a problem with avilo should simply stay away. You're certainly not welcome in his fan club. Start your own "hate" thread, please.
I have confidence that the TL mods will soon realize that you are not only stalking avilo, but harassing him as well. And you're doing it for the same reason a lot of viewers have, because they were banned from chat for being terribly BM, not regarding his game play, but with personal attacks.
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I dunno, I don't want to join his fanclub or anything but recently I find my self tuning in to catch a game here and there and I always enjoy it. He doesn't seem that bm but I don't really have good sample size to comment. I don't understand the game that well these days and probably can't tell who is good and who is bad (perhaps never could?). But still, is it just me or is Avilo one of the stronger NA players out there? He seems to regularly stomp pretty big names and he seems really passionate. That makes him likeable to me.
Btw there is no guestion toss isn't op right now. But then again hasn't he been complaining about it forever since way back in woL? Toss doesn't fit his style that's for sure.
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On January 04 2014 06:01 d00p wrote:
But still, is it just me or is Avilo one of the stronger NA players out there? He seems to regularly stomp pretty big names
He is regularly in the top 50 GM and could easily be top 10 if he didn't have so many TvPs.
[H]asn't he been complaining about [TvP] forever since way back in woL?
The main problem in TvP for mech players is that the Immortal is too good against the Siege Tank and that still hasn't changed. Changes such as the tank buff where siege no longer needs to be researched isn't a real help because the Mothership Core makes blink all-ins can hit before you can have more than one tank and has the Photon Overcharge spell that outranges siege.
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On January 04 2014 06:01 d00p wrote:
I dunno, I don't want to join his fanclub or anything but recently I find my self tuning in to catch a game here and there and I always enjoy it. He doesn't seem that bm but I don't really have good sample size to comment. I don't understand the game that well these days and probably can't tell who is good and who is bad (perhaps never could?). But still, is it just me or is Avilo one of the stronger NA players out there? He seems to regularly stomp pretty big names and he seems really passionate. That makes him likeable to me.
Btw there is no guestion toss isn't op right now. But then again hasn't he been complaining about it forever since way back in woL? Toss doesn't fit his style that's for sure.
Hey, i appreciate your comments, and thanks for watching  And yes, I do often times beat very good players, and have one of the more consistent mech styles imo. A lot of people underrate me, as well as try to discredit me on a lot of things just because...they don't like my personality lol. Jealousy is quite the bioch it seems.
As for the BM, you're pretty spot on, i'm not that BM. I rage every now and then about the same as any player does. Perhaps more so about TvP in the past months, but i don't think that's too unexpected lol.
I used to rage and whine about TvP a LOT in Wings of Liberty, my TvP was utter trash level. Then I started to learn the game more, defend all-ins, and learned/innovated the ghost/viking + nuke late game style. I stopped complaining, and just got very good at TvP and was even comfortable with the match-up.
Then came HOTS, and suddenly i feel I am losing to players 10x worse than myself, even though i am still practicing hard. My winrate became abysmal, despite all of the hard work and improvements i'd put in...it felt exactly like the brood/infestor era of Wings...and i'd say i was pretty accurate when i called out TvP had issues months ago.
That's really the only time i rage or "whine" nowadays - after TvP games. I will do my best not to when blizzard balances that match-up a bit more...as for TvT and TvZ, i usually criticize and analyze my own mistakes after games i lose, often times berating myself at how idiotic i just played or what dumb mistakes i made if i happened to have succumbed to any.
Just yesterday I played a game and lost to a ling/bane all-in i knew was coming because i didn't evacuate the SCVS at my natural into my main for what would have been a freewin.
There are always trolls in my chat that say i'm making excuses when i do this analysis after the game, but thinking about it...I think people say this because i don't go back into the replay while analyzing why i lost. A lot of people need a visual to go along with the analysis.
I personally can just recap the game inside my head and recognize why i lost instantly...which is why i don't manually open the replay, but perhaps there's a disconnect to some of my stream viewers where they think i'm just simply making excuses when i actually just replayed the entire game and what happened in my brain lol.
I'll try and open the replays more often
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On January 04 2014 08:44 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 06:01 d00p wrote:
I dunno, I don't want to join his fanclub or anything but recently I find my self tuning in to catch a game here and there and I always enjoy it. He doesn't seem that bm but I don't really have good sample size to comment. I don't understand the game that well these days and probably can't tell who is good and who is bad (perhaps never could?). But still, is it just me or is Avilo one of the stronger NA players out there? He seems to regularly stomp pretty big names and he seems really passionate. That makes him likeable to me.
Btw there is no guestion toss isn't op right now. But then again hasn't he been complaining about it forever since way back in woL? Toss doesn't fit his style that's for sure. Hey, i appreciate your comments, and thanks for watching And yes, I do often times beat very good players, and have one of the more consistent mech styles imo. A lot of people underrate me, as well as try to discredit me on a lot of things just because...they don't like my personality lol. Jealousy is quite the bioch it seems. As for the BM, you're pretty spot on, i'm not that BM. I rage every now and then about the same as any player does. Perhaps more so about TvP in the past months, but i don't think that's too unexpected lol. I used to rage and whine about TvP a LOT in Wings of Liberty, my TvP was utter trash level. Then I started to learn the game more, defend all-ins, and learned/innovated the ghost/viking + nuke late game style. I stopped complaining, and just got very good at TvP and was even comfortable with the match-up. Then came HOTS, and suddenly i feel I am losing to players 10x worse than myself, even though i am still practicing hard. My winrate became abysmal, despite all of the hard work and improvements i'd put in...it felt exactly like the brood/infestor era of Wings...and i'd say i was pretty accurate when i called out TvP had issues months ago. That's really the only time i rage or "whine" nowadays - after TvP games. I will do my best not to when blizzard balances that match-up a bit more...as for TvT and TvZ, i usually criticize and analyze my own mistakes after games i lose, often times berating myself at how idiotic i just played or what dumb mistakes i made if i happened to have succumbed to any. Just yesterday I played a game and lost to a ling/bane all-in i knew was coming because i didn't evacuate the SCVS at my natural into my main for what would have been a freewin. There are always trolls in my chat that say i'm making excuses when i do this analysis after the game, but thinking about it...I think people say this because i don't go back into the replay while analyzing why i lost. A lot of people need a visual to go along with the analysis. I personally can just recap the game inside my head and recognize why i lost instantly...which is why i don't manually open the replay, but perhaps there's a disconnect to some of my stream viewers where they think i'm just simply making excuses when i actually just replayed the entire game and what happened in my brain lol. I'll try and open the replays more often
Meant to PM, not post, disregard.
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Please add me to Avilo's fan club. Thank you.
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Will Avilo compete in any of the WCS Qualifiers?
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every time there is a new patchnote or balance change, I find myself looking up avilo's opinion first...
...I guess that makes me a fan.
Sign me up.
lol
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On January 03 2014 20:43 Lyyna wrote:
@dvorak : Anytime someone does something original he does, you are sure to find something on his twitter at the very least..
It's hard to avoid talking about balance, but there is a difference between talking about balance, and actually never leaving the subject, talking in very negative terms, and attributes all your losses to it
I don't give a frak about gg every game, the problem is the way he talks back to and about people general (even when people deserve it, what's the point of talking worse than them ? And what about random people he doesn't know at all ?), and the fact he can never accept any form of criticism. Look how he responded to my previous post... He himself makes sure that anything good he says (and he says a damn huge amount of right things) is going to get buried under rage and trashtalk
You weren't trying to be a known person in high school while complaining at the same time people are harsh to you and acting like they don't have any reason at all to do so, right ? That's what he's doing, and that's the problem. Asking for respect while keeping doing the exact things that create lack of respect.. ? That's idiotic
@Sassy : he never started personal attacks, but whenever someone dares to say a single bad word towards him, this person automatically become a streamsniper/cheater, a bad player, and deserves every single trashtalk. Honestly, how do you want not to be seen as a jerk when your 'defense" is to basically be a bigger jerk? Being attacked isn't a reason to act like that, especially when after that you talk about how unrespectful people are towards you and wonder why
There is quite a difference, again, between "having some original play before others" and "acting like every single innovation of your race is because of you". A Korean use nukes in lategame ? Brag on twitter, brag on stream, talks about how commentators takes credits away from you because hey praised the korean and not you even if you did the same thing 1.97 weeks and 3 days ago. Heavy raven use lategame ? Acts like you're the one who got copied by koreans. Banshees in mech TvP ? Omg Avilo discovered all of it in HotS and is the first mech terran even to do so !
He acts like he's THE one who does this before anyone else. Well, to take an example.. i use ravens and air switches in any MU since early 2011, and banshees were a big part of the TvP mech style that i made a guide of, back in early 2012. And well, i'm not fucking trying to get any credit for that, even if i can prove with bunchs of replays that i was doing most major innovations in the terran gameplay (switches, hellion/Banshee, mech with air support, w/e...) months or even a full year before any pro did it in a streamed game and made it my standards before avilo even started to try it seriously.
You give it in one word. "Exaggerated". He's going too far every time, when responding to someone who attacks him, when talking about his achievements, when talking about balance, etc.. he's himself creating the situation. Obiously it's good for him because as he said, haters makes him famous, but at some point, he has to chose between starting to deserve this respect he wants, or just dropping the part where he acts like his bad reputation is totally undeserved
I do like Avilo' style and insights and his whole good side, he can be a GREAT person with an insane knowledge and understanding of the game, and i say it again, he can be an absolutely huge and respected part of the community. But for that, he has to stop acting like he's doing right now, because he's just going full Idra at the moment. You want not to be seen as a jerk ? Then stop using any reason you can find to act like one, and stop acting like one.
Or if you really want to stay like this, at least try to assume it, stop asking for more respect/wondering why so much people hates you when you give yourself reasons for them to do so. Act like everyone is a mindless hater and stop acting any hate you get is totally undeserved. BUT.STOP.DOING.BOTH.AT.THE.SAME.TIME.
This is not fucking "hate". This is just me being realistic and trying to open everyone' eyes. Trying to ignore Avilo's flaws isn't helping him at all and only make his "whiner who plays mech and is known because he rages more than Idra and made a couple of funny guides who acts like he's the man who made every single terran metagame evolution happen and sometimes say smart things... covered by a layer of rage" position even worse because some people says he's right no matter what and will make him go further that way. Not everyone giving criticism is a hater, and hardcore fans aren't a good thing, it must be understood...
Dear god, people, including avilo himself, try to turn this into a war with only 2 sides : people who are actively supporting him by not doing anything negative (even when deserved), and absolutely all the others, people who want to burn him right away. A fucking war between terran and protoss, a fucking war between people who only aim at discrediting the other hardert, a fucking war between every single mech terran to get popular, a fucking war with koreans to be crowned as innovative, a fucking retarded war with everyone involved with avilo's playstyle, stream, or reputation. Don't you realize there might be an in-between with people who JUST wants the whole situation to get better by being REALISTIC and trying to make both sides OPEN THEIR EYES?
finished editing everything, i'll just let it like there. Probably will stop responding too, since trying to put everyone in a better position seems a lost cause. I'm really sad because of this, this is absolutely idiotic to ends up in a situation like this just because people...oh well, i don't even know
Good luck for the rest
I've been here, just stop it. Nothing to gain, waste of time.
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Avillo is by far the most entertaining stream for me.. His mech style is fun to watch and very different than the current metagame. I find his knowledge of the game to be top notch and while he has some BM from time to time, i don't think it is over the top or unwarranted. Also, I absolutely love the Kung Fu moves after the match.. Huk tried this but couldn't match the intensity of comic factor.. but I did appreciate the effort. I am most definitely an avillo fan and love watching his stream.. stream more, man!
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Honestly, I feel like a part of a terran brotherhood in the avilo stream chat. It just feels so right hanging out with the brovilos while being enlightened on How to best mech it Happen.
Also, I wanted to thank avilo for going over my replay, because I was always really nervous about my 2fac 3cc blueflame opener because I came up with it myself and I wasnt sure if it was just outright bad or not :D
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On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote:Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature. If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him. At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make. Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online. I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust. Wishing you all a better New Year.
Wow you must have a lot of experience playing the victim because you're very good at it. Avilo always instigates discussions, and then plays the victim. He'll be a great fit on eg.
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