On November 11 2013 10:34 PanN wrote: Be careful who you're calling cheaters man. Your stream has a lot of viewers and with that comes some sort of responsibility yo. I hear you call people cheaters a lot, and yeah, they may have sniped you, but it doesn't mean they're cheating.
Can you read what I just wrote then? Dude calls out multiple people as cheaters without having concrete evidence. He has an innate responsibility when it comes to spreading information, and calling people out as cheaters when they simply sniped him is not fair to those people.
He's a streamer, a popular one, he's going to get sniped often, it doesn't mean they're cheaters. I was watching last night and he called out someone as a cheater, when they weren't showing any signs of it what so ever, no involvement in the chat, and no comments in game. Pretend this guy gets called a cheater often now because of how avilo called him out, how exactly is that fair to the individual? It's not fair, it's not fair at all.
I get it though, I understand that he gets frustrated, I understand that he plays a lot of cheating assholes, but that doesn't change a single thing that I said. He should be careful as a popular streamer as to who he calls out.
Actually, many people would disagree with you there. Many people consider stream sniping to be cheating on it's own, even if you close the stream immediately. You're cheating the matchmaking system, which is designed to match you up with a RANDOM OPPONENT, i.e. not one who tried to get matched up with you.
i dont get why people support a player whos only toxic to the community. Making hate speeches to entire races flames other pro players and then loses like shit to miniguns terran. He cant even make his point about protoss being broken ( i can make it into masters in 1day---> 2days later diamond) he loses to minigun and that not even close no but 4-1 if its so broken then freakin abuse all the broken shit but i guess its not only a move. Back when he played beastyqt and beasty flamed him about his style i actually was on avilos side or when he was on state of the game and idra flamed him for no apparent reason but now hes abusing his viewer count to make the community like him a toxic trashtalker who doesnt even want to improve.
On November 11 2013 10:34 PanN wrote: Be careful who you're calling cheaters man. Your stream has a lot of viewers and with that comes some sort of responsibility yo. I hear you call people cheaters a lot, and yeah, they may have sniped you, but it doesn't mean they're cheating.
Can you read what I just wrote then? Dude calls out multiple people as cheaters without having concrete evidence. He has an innate responsibility when it comes to spreading information, and calling people out as cheaters when they simply sniped him is not fair to those people.
He's a streamer, a popular one, he's going to get sniped often, it doesn't mean they're cheaters. I was watching last night and he called out someone as a cheater, when they weren't showing any signs of it what so ever, no involvement in the chat, and no comments in game. Pretend this guy gets called a cheater often now because of how avilo called him out, how exactly is that fair to the individual? It's not fair, it's not fair at all.
I get it though, I understand that he gets frustrated, I understand that he plays a lot of cheating assholes, but that doesn't change a single thing that I said. He should be careful as a popular streamer as to who he calls out.
Actually, many people would disagree with you there. Many people consider stream sniping to be cheating on it's own, even if you close the stream immediately. You're cheating the matchmaking system, which is designed to match you up with a RANDOM OPPONENT, i.e. not one who tried to get matched up with you.
I really doubt avilo was calling people out for cheating the system when I was talking about this. Your entire post is just unnecessary and I get what you're saying, but if you read my post and picked up on the context of me discussing cheaters, you clearly would have understood that I was talking about people committing the act of looking at his stream hence stream cheating. Why nit pick about something so silly, I agree that in a sense its cheating the system, but thats clearly not what I was discussing, and I'm pretty sure avilo wasn't saying in his head "grr these guys sniped me! they went around the original match making system to get matched vs me, these cheaters!" I'm pretty sure it was more along the lines of "oh this guy got matched vs me again, he sniped me and now he's going to watch my stream while we play this whole match essentially map hacking."
This is why there is stream cheating, and stream sniping. Both different, i was discussing them and the way avilo talked about it. Not that I even care anymore I haven't heard him do it in a long time which is awesome. Also you responded to a post of mine from november 12. If it was that interesting just pm me or something, not discussing it anymore.
On November 11 2013 10:34 PanN wrote: Be careful who you're calling cheaters man. Your stream has a lot of viewers and with that comes some sort of responsibility yo. I hear you call people cheaters a lot, and yeah, they may have sniped you, but it doesn't mean they're cheating.
Can you read what I just wrote then? Dude calls out multiple people as cheaters without having concrete evidence. He has an innate responsibility when it comes to spreading information, and calling people out as cheaters when they simply sniped him is not fair to those people.
He's a streamer, a popular one, he's going to get sniped often, it doesn't mean they're cheaters. I was watching last night and he called out someone as a cheater, when they weren't showing any signs of it what so ever, no involvement in the chat, and no comments in game. Pretend this guy gets called a cheater often now because of how avilo called him out, how exactly is that fair to the individual? It's not fair, it's not fair at all.
I get it though, I understand that he gets frustrated, I understand that he plays a lot of cheating assholes, but that doesn't change a single thing that I said. He should be careful as a popular streamer as to who he calls out.
Actually, many people would disagree with you there. Many people consider stream sniping to be cheating on it's own, even if you close the stream immediately. You're cheating the matchmaking system, which is designed to match you up with a RANDOM OPPONENT, i.e. not one who tried to get matched up with you.
I really doubt avilo was calling people out for cheating the system when I was talking about this. Your entire post is just unnecessary and I get what you're saying, but if you read my post and picked up on the context of me discussing cheaters, you clearly would have understood that I was talking about people committing the act of looking at his stream hence stream cheating. Why nit pick about something so silly, I agree that in a sense its cheating the system, but thats clearly not what I was discussing, and I'm pretty sure avilo wasn't saying in his head "grr these guys sniped me! they went around the original match making system to get matched vs me, these cheaters!" I'm pretty sure it was more along the lines of "oh this guy got matched vs me again, he sniped me and now he's going to watch my stream while we play this whole match essentially map hacking."
This is why there is stream cheating, and stream sniping. Both different, i was discussing them and the way avilo talked about it. Not that I even care anymore I haven't heard him do it in a long time which is awesome. Also you responded to a post of mine from november 12. If it was that interesting just pm me or something, not discussing it anymore.
He still does it all the time. Just 1-2 days ago he accused minigun (who was on a barcode) of map hacking/stream cheating and both of them were streaming when he got rolled.
On November 11 2013 10:34 PanN wrote: Be careful who you're calling cheaters man. Your stream has a lot of viewers and with that comes some sort of responsibility yo. I hear you call people cheaters a lot, and yeah, they may have sniped you, but it doesn't mean they're cheating.
Can you read what I just wrote then? Dude calls out multiple people as cheaters without having concrete evidence. He has an innate responsibility when it comes to spreading information, and calling people out as cheaters when they simply sniped him is not fair to those people.
He's a streamer, a popular one, he's going to get sniped often, it doesn't mean they're cheaters. I was watching last night and he called out someone as a cheater, when they weren't showing any signs of it what so ever, no involvement in the chat, and no comments in game. Pretend this guy gets called a cheater often now because of how avilo called him out, how exactly is that fair to the individual? It's not fair, it's not fair at all.
I get it though, I understand that he gets frustrated, I understand that he plays a lot of cheating assholes, but that doesn't change a single thing that I said. He should be careful as a popular streamer as to who he calls out.
Actually, many people would disagree with you there. Many people consider stream sniping to be cheating on it's own, even if you close the stream immediately. You're cheating the matchmaking system, which is designed to match you up with a RANDOM OPPONENT, i.e. not one who tried to get matched up with you.
I really doubt avilo was calling people out for cheating the system when I was talking about this. Your entire post is just unnecessary and I get what you're saying, but if you read my post and picked up on the context of me discussing cheaters, you clearly would have understood that I was talking about people committing the act of looking at his stream hence stream cheating. Why nit pick about something so silly, I agree that in a sense its cheating the system, but thats clearly not what I was discussing, and I'm pretty sure avilo wasn't saying in his head "grr these guys sniped me! they went around the original match making system to get matched vs me, these cheaters!" I'm pretty sure it was more along the lines of "oh this guy got matched vs me again, he sniped me and now he's going to watch my stream while we play this whole match essentially map hacking."
This is why there is stream cheating, and stream sniping. Both different, i was discussing them and the way avilo talked about it. Not that I even care anymore I haven't heard him do it in a long time which is awesome. Also you responded to a post of mine from november 12. If it was that interesting just pm me or something, not discussing it anymore.
He still does it all the time. Just 1-2 days ago he accused minigun (who was on a barcode) of map hacking/stream cheating and both of them were streaming when he got rolled.
Haha, always a 1 sided story from the avilo haters.
The amount of stream snipers i have gotten in the past is ridiculous. There are also a few known "pros" that have sniped me as well, of course metagaming the shit out of me while on their barcode when i have no idea who they are, and to any objective viewer it would look like they were stream sniping/cheating, when in actuality they were on my stream prior waiting for me to queue up and then they just metagame me.
I've had a few known players do that to me - and then they have the audacity to get in my chat and act like an innoncent angel and be like, "omg how could you accuse me of cheating dude!" Because of course people then will do what you are trying to do and start up the hate bandwagon.
soo you say minigun stream sniped so even tho he was just normally queing after the game before ? I understand that as a known streamer you get a lot sniped but in this case it was just silly.
Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
I find it very strange that Avilo's fanbase emphasizes being nice and discourages BM as a whole while proclaiming that Avilo himself doesn't BM -- that he's the victim. That isn't the case though. I've played Avilo on the ladder, lost, and gotten BM'ed. I didn't snipe him, didn't stream cheat, I lost the game. Usually it was a stomp in the super late game and I still get BM'ed or whined at. It's the same when I watch his stream. He can hardly go a game without making a silly claim about balance or what have you whether it's provoked or not.
Didn't Avilo play a barcode the other day and complained to Minigun about something? But that barcode was Minigun, and the only way he could've known it was Minigun was by watching his stream?
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
I find it very strange that Avilo's fanbase emphasizes being nice and discourages BM as a whole while proclaiming that Avilo himself doesn't BM -- that he's the victim. That isn't the case though. I've played Avilo on the ladder, lost, and gotten BM'ed. I didn't snipe him, didn't stream cheat, I lost the game. Usually it was a stomp in the super late game and I still get BM'ed or whined at. It's the same when I watch his stream. He can hardly go a game without making a silly claim about balance or what have you whether it's provoked or not.
He brings it on himself indeed.
Theres nothing strange about it, he just a hypocrite. Whats funny about it though is he'll say for example root players "bm him" and pretend to be angels everywhere else and here is doing the same exact thing, bming the fuck out of everyone and then when he gets called out he tries (keyword tries) to spin some kind of BS.
The problem with Avilo is that his goals are right, but the ways he's trying to achieve them are awful... he wants to help terrans to get better with guides and tips and analysis and innovative play, but he's trying to brag and give all credits to himself (may be ironical or not... but what matters is how it is perceived by most people, and this is affected by his overall behavior) whenever someone else does something similar, be it fellow foreigners streamers, or koreans pro in streamed tournaments He wants to point flaws in balance and the overall game, but ends up talking about it every single hour of the day, tries to prove his ideas with whatever (sometimes unrelated) things he can get his hands on and attributes a lot of his losses to this He's denouncing the terrible attitude some people have about him, but ends up being as much as a jerk than these people, and making it even worse by often raging and yelling at some random people for whatever reasons He's trying to get respected and known, but he himself fuel his haters and make it worse by saying "i don't care lol" even when people just want to help him by pointing what makes him hated by a lot.. for some good reasons
You know me Sassy, i have often been on his stream, never offensive or whatever, i'm not an hardcore fan who'll follow him until death, i'm not an hater wanting to burn him right now, i could be considered a rival because i'm in the same "niche" of spreading mech in the community, but well, i'm really just the average guy enjoying the original play of one of the few remaining terran streamers, and i just want to give a realistic insight about this. Avilo could be a really great part of the community : he's someone who dares to try stuff, to speak freely, and who is ok with sharing his knowledge and advices. But for that, he has to shut down his "cocky non-caring-about-criticism bitchy" side, or he'll just be remembered like "that whiner who plays mech and is known because he rages more than Idra and made a couple of funny guides who acts like he's the man who made every single terran metagame evolution happen and sometimes say smart things... covered by a layer of rage"
Take it as you want obviously... Just wanting to help everyone, you, your fans, the community.. But at some point, when so many people tells you the same things again and again and again about your flaws, considering what you want to achieve, you should try to improve yourself instead of just ignoring them, blaming them, or acting like it's totally undeserved
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
I find it very strange that Avilo's fanbase emphasizes being nice and discourages BM as a whole while proclaiming that Avilo himself doesn't BM -- that he's the victim. That isn't the case though. I've played Avilo on the ladder, lost, and gotten BM'ed. I didn't snipe him, didn't stream cheat, I lost the game. Usually it was a stomp in the super late game and I still get BM'ed or whined at. It's the same when I watch his stream. He can hardly go a game without making a silly claim about balance or what have you whether it's provoked or not.
He brings it on himself indeed.
Theres nothing strange about it, he just a hypocrite. Whats funny about it though is he'll say for example root players "bm him" and pretend to be angels everywhere else and here is doing the same exact thing, bming the fuck out of everyone and then when he gets called out he tries (keyword tries) to spin some kind of BS.
Oh you must have seen the game where i played a rootseed player and they thought it was perfectly acceptable to just insta unpause the game because it's "avilo." There are some people that think it's perfectly ok to BM me just because other people in the community do it, then they do it too because it's trendy or some shiot.
The difference is if I BM someone on ladder it's usually in fun and i'm just trolling...and i never personally insult them about who they are. I'll call someone bad every now and then, sure. Or gimmicky. I never insult their own person, nor would i want to.
On January 03 2014 11:14 Lyyna wrote: The problem with Avilo is that his goals are right, but the ways he's trying to achieve them are awful... he wants to help terrans to get better with guides and tips and analysis and innovative play, but he's trying to brag and give all credits to himself (may be ironical or not... but what matters is how it is perceived by most people, and this is affected by his overall behavior) whenever someone else does something similar, be it fellow foreigners streamers, or koreans pro in streamed tournaments He wants to point flaws in balance and the overall game, but ends up talking about it every single hour of the day, tries to prove his ideas with whatever (sometimes unrelated) things he can get his hands on and attributes a lot of his losses to this He's denouncing the terrible attitude some people have about him, but ends up being as much as a jerk than these people, and making it even worse by often raging and yelling at some random people for whatever reasons He's trying to get respected and known, but he himself fuel his haters and make it worse by saying "i don't care lol" even when people just want to help him by pointing what makes him hated by a lot.. for some good reasons
You know me Sassy, i have often been on his stream, never offensive or whatever, i'm not an hardcore fan who'll follow him until death, i'm not an hater wanting to burn him right now, i could be considered a rival because i'm in the same "niche" of spreading mech in the community, but well, i'm really just the average guy enjoying the original play of one of the few remaining terran streamers, and i just want to give a realistic insight about this. Avilo could be a really great part of the community : he's someone who dares to try stuff, to speak freely, and who is ok with sharing his knowledge and advices. But for that, he has to shut down his "cocky non-caring-about-criticism bitchy" side, or he'll just be remembered like "that whiner who plays mech and is known because he rages more than Idra and made a couple of funny guides who acts like he's the man who made every single terran metagame evolution happen and sometimes say smart things... covered by a layer of rage"
Take it as you want obviously... Just wanting to help everyone, you, your fans, the community.. But at some point, when so many people tells you the same things again and again and again about your flaws, considering what you want to achieve, you should try to improve yourself instead of just ignoring them, blaming them, or acting like it's totally undeserved
When the majority of games on ladder you end up playing end up being vs Protoss every game abusing all-ins and nexus cannon...it's a bit unavoidable to discuss balance at that point.
On January 03 2014 09:23 darthfoley wrote: Avilo is an odd character.
I was also apparently one of the people who should die because in my head, I pronouced it aveelo.
lmao :D never would i wish such a thing upon you for mispronouncing my username haha. Thanks for watching the stream
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
You are one of the most dedicated avilo haters of late. Get it straight. I do not accuse known pros of stream cheating/hacking ever. You and other little haters continue this BS with no context to the situation.
I have played known players before that were on barcodes metagaming the fuck out of me, and to any outside observer it would look like the guy was stream sniping in some way, and possibly stream cheating. Not my fault i didn't know some d00d sniping me was on a barcode.
If you honestly think i ever accuse known players of cheating, something is wrong with you. I never would.
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
I find it very strange that Avilo's fanbase emphasizes being nice and discourages BM as a whole while proclaiming that Avilo himself doesn't BM -- that he's the victim. That isn't the case though. I've played Avilo on the ladder, lost, and gotten BM'ed. I didn't snipe him, didn't stream cheat, I lost the game. Usually it was a stomp in the super late game and I still get BM'ed or whined at. It's the same when I watch his stream. He can hardly go a game without making a silly claim about balance or what have you whether it's provoked or not.
He brings it on himself indeed.
Theres nothing strange about it, he just a hypocrite. Whats funny about it though is he'll say for example root players "bm him" and pretend to be angels everywhere else and here is doing the same exact thing, bming the fuck out of everyone and then when he gets called out he tries (keyword tries) to spin some kind of BS.
Oh you must have seen the game where i played a rootseed player and they thought it was perfectly acceptable to just insta unpause the game because it's "avilo." There are some people that think it's perfectly ok to BM me just because other people in the community do it, then they do it too because it's trendy or some shiot.
The difference is if I BM someone on ladder it's usually in fun and i'm just trolling...and i never personally insult them about who they are. I'll call someone bad every now and then, sure. Or gimmicky. I never insult their own person, nor would i want to.
On January 03 2014 11:14 Lyyna wrote: The problem with Avilo is that his goals are right, but the ways he's trying to achieve them are awful... he wants to help terrans to get better with guides and tips and analysis and innovative play, but he's trying to brag and give all credits to himself (may be ironical or not... but what matters is how it is perceived by most people, and this is affected by his overall behavior) whenever someone else does something similar, be it fellow foreigners streamers, or koreans pro in streamed tournaments He wants to point flaws in balance and the overall game, but ends up talking about it every single hour of the day, tries to prove his ideas with whatever (sometimes unrelated) things he can get his hands on and attributes a lot of his losses to this He's denouncing the terrible attitude some people have about him, but ends up being as much as a jerk than these people, and making it even worse by often raging and yelling at some random people for whatever reasons He's trying to get respected and known, but he himself fuel his haters and make it worse by saying "i don't care lol" even when people just want to help him by pointing what makes him hated by a lot.. for some good reasons
You know me Sassy, i have often been on his stream, never offensive or whatever, i'm not an hardcore fan who'll follow him until death, i'm not an hater wanting to burn him right now, i could be considered a rival because i'm in the same "niche" of spreading mech in the community, but well, i'm really just the average guy enjoying the original play of one of the few remaining terran streamers, and i just want to give a realistic insight about this. Avilo could be a really great part of the community : he's someone who dares to try stuff, to speak freely, and who is ok with sharing his knowledge and advices. But for that, he has to shut down his "cocky non-caring-about-criticism bitchy" side, or he'll just be remembered like "that whiner who plays mech and is known because he rages more than Idra and made a couple of funny guides who acts like he's the man who made every single terran metagame evolution happen and sometimes say smart things... covered by a layer of rage"
Take it as you want obviously... Just wanting to help everyone, you, your fans, the community.. But at some point, when so many people tells you the same things again and again and again about your flaws, considering what you want to achieve, you should try to improve yourself instead of just ignoring them, blaming them, or acting like it's totally undeserved
When the majority of games on ladder you end up playing end up being vs Protoss every game abusing all-ins and nexus cannon...it's a bit unavoidable to discuss balance at that point.
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
You are one of the most dedicated avilo haters of late. Get it straight. I do not accuse known pros of stream cheating/hacking ever. You and other little haters continue this BS with no context to the situation.
I have played known players before that were on barcodes metagaming the fuck out of me, and to any outside observer it would look like the guy was stream sniping in some way, and possibly stream cheating. Not my fault i didn't know some d00d sniping me was on a barcode.
If you honestly think i ever accuse known players of cheating, something is wrong with you. I never would.
This is what me and Lynna were talking about lol. Why would you even quote lynna if you're just going to ignore his constructive criticisms? Unlike me he still thinks theres hope for you I think this post of yours will show him that you are hopeless to become a positive in the scene
You really don't get it you do? I can't believe how dense you are. Your actions alone have warranted any negative actions people do onto you. Simple as that, look in the mirror if you want to find out why people would bm you.
You accuse everyone (Known players, random masters players, etc) of cheating all the time If you're gonna put your head in the sand and deny it and go la la la thats fine don't expect me to put any effort into pulling up examples with timestamps from your VODs.
Tbh I think Kane said it best:
"you have to understand he's not a mentally stable individual. it's completely obvious he has some sort of disability (i.e. autism, aspergers, etc.). You can't take anything he says seriously; no healthy individual would say half the stuff he says."
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
I find it very strange that Avilo's fanbase emphasizes being nice and discourages BM as a whole while proclaiming that Avilo himself doesn't BM -- that he's the victim. That isn't the case though. I've played Avilo on the ladder, lost, and gotten BM'ed. I didn't snipe him, didn't stream cheat, I lost the game. Usually it was a stomp in the super late game and I still get BM'ed or whined at. It's the same when I watch his stream. He can hardly go a game without making a silly claim about balance or what have you whether it's provoked or not.
He brings it on himself indeed.
Theres nothing strange about it, he just a hypocrite. Whats funny about it though is he'll say for example root players "bm him" and pretend to be angels everywhere else and here is doing the same exact thing, bming the fuck out of everyone and then when he gets called out he tries (keyword tries) to spin some kind of BS.
Oh you must have seen the game where i played a rootseed player and they thought it was perfectly acceptable to just insta unpause the game because it's "avilo." There are some people that think it's perfectly ok to BM me just because other people in the community do it, then they do it too because it's trendy or some shiot.
The difference is if I BM someone on ladder it's usually in fun and i'm just trolling...and i never personally insult them about who they are. I'll call someone bad every now and then, sure. Or gimmicky. I never insult their own person, nor would i want to.
On January 03 2014 11:14 Lyyna wrote: The problem with Avilo is that his goals are right, but the ways he's trying to achieve them are awful... he wants to help terrans to get better with guides and tips and analysis and innovative play, but he's trying to brag and give all credits to himself (may be ironical or not... but what matters is how it is perceived by most people, and this is affected by his overall behavior) whenever someone else does something similar, be it fellow foreigners streamers, or koreans pro in streamed tournaments He wants to point flaws in balance and the overall game, but ends up talking about it every single hour of the day, tries to prove his ideas with whatever (sometimes unrelated) things he can get his hands on and attributes a lot of his losses to this He's denouncing the terrible attitude some people have about him, but ends up being as much as a jerk than these people, and making it even worse by often raging and yelling at some random people for whatever reasons He's trying to get respected and known, but he himself fuel his haters and make it worse by saying "i don't care lol" even when people just want to help him by pointing what makes him hated by a lot.. for some good reasons
You know me Sassy, i have often been on his stream, never offensive or whatever, i'm not an hardcore fan who'll follow him until death, i'm not an hater wanting to burn him right now, i could be considered a rival because i'm in the same "niche" of spreading mech in the community, but well, i'm really just the average guy enjoying the original play of one of the few remaining terran streamers, and i just want to give a realistic insight about this. Avilo could be a really great part of the community : he's someone who dares to try stuff, to speak freely, and who is ok with sharing his knowledge and advices. But for that, he has to shut down his "cocky non-caring-about-criticism bitchy" side, or he'll just be remembered like "that whiner who plays mech and is known because he rages more than Idra and made a couple of funny guides who acts like he's the man who made every single terran metagame evolution happen and sometimes say smart things... covered by a layer of rage"
Take it as you want obviously... Just wanting to help everyone, you, your fans, the community.. But at some point, when so many people tells you the same things again and again and again about your flaws, considering what you want to achieve, you should try to improve yourself instead of just ignoring them, blaming them, or acting like it's totally undeserved
When the majority of games on ladder you end up playing end up being vs Protoss every game abusing all-ins and nexus cannon...it's a bit unavoidable to discuss balance at that point.
On January 03 2014 09:23 darthfoley wrote: Avilo is an odd character.
I was also apparently one of the people who should die because in my head, I pronouced it aveelo.
lmao :D never would i wish such a thing upon you for mispronouncing my username haha. Thanks for watching the stream
On January 03 2014 05:49 captainwaffles wrote:
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
You are one of the most dedicated avilo haters of late. Get it straight. I do not accuse known pros of stream cheating/hacking ever. You and other little haters continue this BS with no context to the situation.
I have played known players before that were on barcodes metagaming the fuck out of me, and to any outside observer it would look like the guy was stream sniping in some way, and possibly stream cheating. Not my fault i didn't know some d00d sniping me was on a barcode.
If you honestly think i ever accuse known players of cheating, something is wrong with you. I never would.
This is what me and Lynna were talking about lol. Why would you even quote lynna if you're just going to ignore his constructive criticisms? Unlike me he still thinks theres hope for you I think this post of yours will show him that you are hopeless to become a positive in the scene
You really don't get it you do? I can't believe how dense you are. Your actions alone have warranted any negative actions people do onto you. Simple as that, look in the mirror if you want to find out why people would bm you.
You accuse everyone (Known players, random masters players, etc) of cheating all the time If you're gonna put your head in the sand and deny it and go la la la thats fine don't expect me to put any effort into pulling up examples with timestamps from your VODs.
Tbh I think Kane said it best:
"you have to understand he's not a mentally stable individual. it's completely obvious he has some sort of disability (i.e. autism, aspergers, etc.). You can't take anything he says seriously; no healthy individual would say half the stuff he says."
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
I find it very strange that Avilo's fanbase emphasizes being nice and discourages BM as a whole while proclaiming that Avilo himself doesn't BM -- that he's the victim. That isn't the case though. I've played Avilo on the ladder, lost, and gotten BM'ed. I didn't snipe him, didn't stream cheat, I lost the game. Usually it was a stomp in the super late game and I still get BM'ed or whined at. It's the same when I watch his stream. He can hardly go a game without making a silly claim about balance or what have you whether it's provoked or not.
He brings it on himself indeed.
Theres nothing strange about it, he just a hypocrite. Whats funny about it though is he'll say for example root players "bm him" and pretend to be angels everywhere else and here is doing the same exact thing, bming the fuck out of everyone and then when he gets called out he tries (keyword tries) to spin some kind of BS.
Oh you must have seen the game where i played a rootseed player and they thought it was perfectly acceptable to just insta unpause the game because it's "avilo." There are some people that think it's perfectly ok to BM me just because other people in the community do it, then they do it too because it's trendy or some shiot.
The difference is if I BM someone on ladder it's usually in fun and i'm just trolling...and i never personally insult them about who they are. I'll call someone bad every now and then, sure. Or gimmicky. I never insult their own person, nor would i want to.
On January 03 2014 11:14 Lyyna wrote: The problem with Avilo is that his goals are right, but the ways he's trying to achieve them are awful... he wants to help terrans to get better with guides and tips and analysis and innovative play, but he's trying to brag and give all credits to himself (may be ironical or not... but what matters is how it is perceived by most people, and this is affected by his overall behavior) whenever someone else does something similar, be it fellow foreigners streamers, or koreans pro in streamed tournaments He wants to point flaws in balance and the overall game, but ends up talking about it every single hour of the day, tries to prove his ideas with whatever (sometimes unrelated) things he can get his hands on and attributes a lot of his losses to this He's denouncing the terrible attitude some people have about him, but ends up being as much as a jerk than these people, and making it even worse by often raging and yelling at some random people for whatever reasons He's trying to get respected and known, but he himself fuel his haters and make it worse by saying "i don't care lol" even when people just want to help him by pointing what makes him hated by a lot.. for some good reasons
You know me Sassy, i have often been on his stream, never offensive or whatever, i'm not an hardcore fan who'll follow him until death, i'm not an hater wanting to burn him right now, i could be considered a rival because i'm in the same "niche" of spreading mech in the community, but well, i'm really just the average guy enjoying the original play of one of the few remaining terran streamers, and i just want to give a realistic insight about this. Avilo could be a really great part of the community : he's someone who dares to try stuff, to speak freely, and who is ok with sharing his knowledge and advices. But for that, he has to shut down his "cocky non-caring-about-criticism bitchy" side, or he'll just be remembered like "that whiner who plays mech and is known because he rages more than Idra and made a couple of funny guides who acts like he's the man who made every single terran metagame evolution happen and sometimes say smart things... covered by a layer of rage"
Take it as you want obviously... Just wanting to help everyone, you, your fans, the community.. But at some point, when so many people tells you the same things again and again and again about your flaws, considering what you want to achieve, you should try to improve yourself instead of just ignoring them, blaming them, or acting like it's totally undeserved
When the majority of games on ladder you end up playing end up being vs Protoss every game abusing all-ins and nexus cannon...it's a bit unavoidable to discuss balance at that point.
On January 03 2014 09:23 darthfoley wrote: Avilo is an odd character.
I was also apparently one of the people who should die because in my head, I pronouced it aveelo.
lmao :D never would i wish such a thing upon you for mispronouncing my username haha. Thanks for watching the stream
On January 03 2014 05:49 captainwaffles wrote:
On January 03 2014 01:46 Arkansassy wrote: Other than the fact that the members of Root (with the exception of perhaps two of their members) have obviously sniped avilo (too much of a coincidence imo to be matched up with a Root member more than 4-5 times in a row) they are just plain hateful toward avilo for no good reason other than the fact they don't like him. Of course, if I don't like someone, I just avoid him/her - maybe that's too mature.
If I had been with avilo the night he did the showmatch v minigun, I would have vehemently discouraged his decision.Too many times, he has played Root members who were reported to be in Skype with the opponent and on avilo's stream at the same time. I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him.
At one time I had had hopes for the SC Community, because there are a lot of nice people involved, but it seems the haters always win out and that's a sad statement to make.
Avilo's chat was one of the nicest, most fun places to be and viewers enjoyed it, because the mods protected viewers against BM. The haters have tried to ruin it for us and even though people keep telling me that "the more viewers, the more trolls" I don't understand why that has to be. Surely, parents have brought they're kids up better and would be mortified if they knew how extremely rude and repulsive they're kids are online.
I'm hoping that this New Year will bring more compassion and caring for others - both online and off. Cheating on ladder proves nothing. Hateful trolling, in part, is some misguided kid, who is angry and disappointed with his/her own life and has to vent for their own well being, albeit in a very destructive way. They need to feel a part of something and it's much easier to jump on the haters bandwagon than to stand up and fight for those upon whom the hate is thrust.
Wishing you all a better New Year.
Yeah it wouldn't have anything to do with his constant BM, balance whine, inability to take shit which he himself dishes out everyday, accusing well known pros of stream cheating/map hacking after every loss. This isn't anything that hasn't been mentioned before so I'll keep this short with a simple sentence: Any "hate" avilo gets he brought on himself if you honestly think its undeserved then Idk what to tell you.
You are one of the most dedicated avilo haters of late. Get it straight. I do not accuse known pros of stream cheating/hacking ever. You and other little haters continue this BS with no context to the situation.
I have played known players before that were on barcodes metagaming the fuck out of me, and to any outside observer it would look like the guy was stream sniping in some way, and possibly stream cheating. Not my fault i didn't know some d00d sniping me was on a barcode.
If you honestly think i ever accuse known players of cheating, something is wrong with you. I never would.
This is what me and Lynna were talking about lol. Why would you even quote lynna if you're just going to ignore his constructive criticisms? Unlike me he still thinks theres hope for you I think this post of yours will show him that you are hopeless to become a positive in the scene
You really don't get it you do? I can't believe how dense you are. Your actions alone have warranted any negative actions people do onto you. Simple as that, look in the mirror if you want to find out why people would bm you.
You accuse everyone (Known players, random masters players, etc) of cheating all the time If you're gonna put your head in the sand and deny it and go la la la thats fine don't expect me to put any effort into pulling up examples with timestamps from your VODs.
Tbh I think Kane said it best:
"you have to understand he's not a mentally stable individual. it's completely obvious he has some sort of disability (i.e. autism, aspergers, etc.). You can't take anything he says seriously; no healthy individual would say half the stuff he says."
Not going to respond to you anymore, except with: You need to go to jelly school, immediately.
Lynna addressed that as well,
"But for that, he has to shut down his "cocky non-caring-about-criticism bitchy" side, or he'll just be remembered like "that whiner who plays mech and is known because he rages more than Idra and made a couple of funny guides who acts like he's the man who made every single terran metagame evolution happen and sometimes say smart things... covered by a layer of rage"
Actually he said it pretty well I don't think I can say it any better.
So is this your version of conceding? You know I'm right so now you'll just pretend I don't exist and hope I go away? Your 12 year old self called he wants his maturity level back.
For all the "flaws" you might think avilo has, I suggest you look in the mirror. He has never attacked anyone personally and for that matter isn't so rude to go into another persons stream thread and throw insults at them. You should be a shamed of yourselves.
@Lynna, yes, he has to pat himself on the back, because no one else gives him credit. I've seen him do things that other players got credit for. So, if his attitude is a bit exaggerated, it's understandable.
And like I said, if you don't like the guy, it's your option, but to come to HIS stream thread and BM him, is a pretty sad statement and makes you, waffles, less of a person than you perceive him to be.
P.S. @ Waffles...let me know when Kane gets his degree in psychiatry.
EPT
I'm not saying that this was the case that night, but my decision would have been based on the fact that avilo was off his game earlier and was extremely tired when I left him. 
