why did he go for these cheap allins? 6gate robo, 4gate? really? he won with solid play against bomber. Just lost everytime when he didn't go for it. -_-

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

April 04 2013 13:41 GMT

#884

lame

Shellshock

United States97274 Posts

April 04 2013 13:41 GMT

#885

sigh... He seems kind of lost in the early/midgame of PvT. I think he could have won them if he just pulled it into late game :/

TeeTS

Germany2762 Posts

April 04 2013 13:46 GMT

#886

Don't get me wrong. When you hit that level of multitasking, I don't believe Medivacs can be stopped by Protoss. That might or might not be the reason for all that All-in play. But you don't have to write this after you made several mistakes and a poor strategy choice in the game.

Shellshock

United States97274 Posts

April 04 2013 13:47 GMT

#887

oh I agree. I dont think in game is the place to complain. I could see how maybe he got a little flustered and upset by all the ceremony stuff but he should have just gged and vented later

ragz_gt

9172 Posts

April 04 2013 13:48 GMT

#888

On April 04 2013 22:46 TeeTS wrote:
Don't get me wrong. When you hit that level of multitasking, I don't believe Medivacs can be stopped by Protoss. That might or might not be the reason for all that All-in play. But you don't have to write this after you made several mistakes and a poor strategy choice in the game.

I blame all the in house game he has to play against MKP Maru and ByuN... that can't be good for confidence...

AxionSteel

United States7754 Posts

April 04 2013 13:49 GMT

#889

He certainly looks lost in pvt to me, I've always felt like multitasking wasn't his strongest point, so dealing with all the medivacs etc could be hard and frustrating for him. Whatever balance issues there may or may not be, he needs to step it up in a big way if he wants to be competitive this year. I hope he can.

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

April 04 2013 13:51 GMT

#890

creator is the guy who has positive records against the top 3 PvTers in WoL (polt, bomber, mkp), probably the best consistent PvTer in WoL's history, and now he's so lost ;;

Shellshock

United States97274 Posts

April 04 2013 13:54 GMT

#891

I didn't see Rain vs jjakji but have any of the defensive macro style protosses really had much success yet in HoTS? I know MC was getting some wins but wasn't it off the back of a lot of 2 base play? I guess the style that Creator likes to play hasn't really been figured out yet. I think the new PvZ will be good for him and he's a good PvPer. I expect him to get back into Code S. Just sucks to see him lose 1 game away from the Ro16 2 seasons in a row

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

April 04 2013 13:56 GMT

#892

rain vs. jjakji was a horrible matchup, throws left and right

creator was also 1 game away from ro16 in his first code s season too ;;

AxionSteel

United States7754 Posts

April 04 2013 14:00 GMT

#893

MC's was also a lot of 1 base play, Oracle + 4 gate etc

as well as some 2 base stuff.
PvZ looks absolutely perfect for creator though, this is true.

TeeTS

Germany2762 Posts

April 04 2013 14:02 GMT

#894

I would say between rain and jjakji lie world in terms of actual skill. Just because he beat a totally off being Marineking doesn't make Jjakji that great actually. He showed some abuse of beta imbalance in the MLG qualifier and GSTL pre-season. That he was narrowly beaten by rain doesn't mean a lot in the matchup.

Shellshock

United States97274 Posts

April 04 2013 14:03 GMT

#895

I was more asking because Rain plays a defensive style of PvT. I think it's easier to compare him and Creator than him and MC and I dont think many other top protoss players have played strong terrans from what I remember.

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

April 04 2013 14:06 GMT

#896

well rain got steamrolled by bogus who had pretty bogus TvP back in WoL

Shellshock

United States97274 Posts

April 04 2013 14:08 GMT

#897

oh yeah I forgot that's who Rain played next. I guess Creator will just have to climb back to Code S on the corpses of Zergs and protoss til he figures out his PvT problems

ragz_gt

9172 Posts

April 04 2013 14:11 GMT

#898

The ghost of JYPvT...

Shellshock

United States97274 Posts

April 04 2013 14:13 GMT

#899

On April 04 2013 23:11 ragz_gt wrote:
The ghost of JYPvT...

I'm now expecting JYP to be the PvT HoTS bonjwa to offset the last 2.5 years

Kasaraki

Denmark7115 Posts

April 04 2013 15:41 GMT

#900

Poor Creator, only 1 map away from advancing today. :/ I am surprised, since his PvT used to be so amazingly good, but I guess sometimes if you become so well-trained it can take time to switch away from the old way - and the new early and mid-game is very tricky. Still, assuming the game isn't inherently imbalanced, I think eventually we'll see his iron defense return.