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On May 11 2013 06:32 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:19 Legio wrote:
Before IdrA, EG didn't have a single winning player. IdrA gave them visibility and a name that sponsors would recognise. One forum post, and hes out the door. No suspension, no nothing. After he'd already moved to San Francisco to be part of the scene there with EG.
And what did IdrA really say? That fans don't care about winning, rather they care about starpower. Was he right or was he wrong?
Now EG is just Stephano, a few koreans that get all killed in proleague and some high priced, mid range westerners that never win anything either.
Always been a fan of EG, but this revolving door policy makes me sick. Who is next? Machine? HuK? I believe the problem was that he said f*** the fans. And that's a big problem because the whole esports scene is based on fan support. I am sure they asked him to apologize, but seeing as that is below IdrA's honor he probably refused to do it and they made him quit. Imo you can't get more professional than that.
Read the thread, Idra posted like 5 minutes before he made that post and it gives it a lot more context
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I don't get why everyone believes Idra and only Idra was powerful enough to make EG what it is today, it's mind blowing. As if it's not a two way street. The commercials with Idra, having him drive the Bugatti for marketing, playing down any bad attitudes by him to salvage and make the most of something dumb he did like leaving the mma game at mlg. It was a two way street, EG put a lot out for Idra also and helped make him what he was and helped glorify his persona to the point where the whole team was practically synonymous with him. He is not the B all end all, and EG deserves some credit for his career as well not just the other way around like most people make it out to be.
It takes a brilliant team that cares about it's players to play down such a dumb prideful moment where he just leaves a won game and turn it into a fun positive with the whole teams collaboration. People were pissed then, but with EG's help they let it slide and really rooted for him again when he came back on top to beat bomber and boxer and went into his booth to encourage him during either the MC game or one of the terran games. It went both ways, they believed in him, the invested in him even after his mistakes because they believed in him, I'm sure his salary was as high as the tournament champions they'd bring in up until the very end even after he stopped giving a flying f*ck a long time ago sadly.
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Netherlands1896 Posts
Massive respect for EG, it must have been a tough decision to make. Glad to see you guys have some standards.
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On May 11 2013 03:05 RaZorwire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:32 Kolya504 wrote:On May 10 2013 08:37 bludragen88 wrote:On May 10 2013 08:26 skylarr wrote:On May 10 2013 08:15 ElPeque.fogata wrote:On May 10 2013 08:12 Whole wrote:
added aLive and took out IdrA from the OP traitor! bye EG. idra was the only reason why i was an eg fan. Exactly this, I bet half, if not more, than EG fans are from idra While half of EG's fans may have been brought to them by idra, I'm sure some of them can see that EG is doing more for the growth of the scene than idra and will continue to support them despite this move (I don't see why you couldn't remain fans of both sides). This could have been the best wakeup call EG could send idra, since nothing else was working. It is hard to remains supportive of both when they treated him like crap on his way out the door. The part of me that likes idra resents that on his behalf. It is a shame when any organization treats anyone that way. I agree that releasing him was very sudden in a weird way, and I also feel like the particular comment he made wasn't bad enough to warrant releasing him. It's worth mentioning, though, that they will continue to support him financially for a transition period, as far as I've heard.
1. Garfield's comments (ie final paragraphs in his post) were unnecesssary and unprofessional; it was genteel character assassination (which is much worse than the vanilla variety).
2. All we've heard on finances is a blip comment from Geoff that was sourced from a brief skypechat while he [Geoff] was emotionally upset. It isn't possible for us to know if the renumeration is substantial. In any event, it doesn't excuse (1) above.
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Idra was by far the most recognizable player they had. Love or or hate him he drew attention to himself and his team. I think they'll come to regret letting him go.
For me at least, with him gone I have no interest in EG. I've never liked Alex, and I've never liked their habit of picking up FotM players. They're a nothing team with a lot of sponsors.
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On May 11 2013 06:37 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 06:32 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:On May 11 2013 03:19 Legio wrote:
Before IdrA, EG didn't have a single winning player. IdrA gave them visibility and a name that sponsors would recognise. One forum post, and hes out the door. No suspension, no nothing. After he'd already moved to San Francisco to be part of the scene there with EG.
And what did IdrA really say? That fans don't care about winning, rather they care about starpower. Was he right or was he wrong?
Now EG is just Stephano, a few koreans that get all killed in proleague and some high priced, mid range westerners that never win anything either.
Always been a fan of EG, but this revolving door policy makes me sick. Who is next? Machine? HuK? I believe the problem was that he said f*** the fans. And that's a big problem because the whole esports scene is based on fan support. I am sure they asked him to apologize, but seeing as that is below IdrA's honor he probably refused to do it and they made him quit. Imo you can't get more professional than that. Read the thread, Idra posted like 5 minutes before he made that post and it gives it a lot more context
yeah sorry. my bad
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Miss Idra already. Hope he comes outa nowhere with amazing WCS gameplay vs Pluck and Huk and smashes them to dust.
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On May 10 2013 08:48 Bagi wrote:Lzgamer also hasn't been on the team for a while now.
any more i missed? XD
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Hearing from incontrol today what EG is doing even after Greg's departure and EG's managements reactions I take back all bad things I might have said about the team!
It is not the same as before without idra, but they do prove that they still care about their players.
Ps.
I completely agree with carmacs statement, the pressrelease the community got invites for an emotional and non-analytical response. Even teamliquid parting with SEA was better constructed.
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Good for EG. I care more about the team now that Idra isn't disgracing them monthly. Thank goodness for Incontrol and the lair! Make the most out of the situation, and stay on top Demuslim.
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EGDragonRC
heard it here first
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On May 11 2013 03:19 Legio wrote:
Before IdrA, EG didn't have a single winning player. IdrA gave them visibility and a name that sponsors would recognise. One forum post, and hes out the door. No suspension, no nothing. After he'd already moved to San Francisco to be part of the scene there with EG.
And what did IdrA really say? That fans don't care about winning, rather they care about starpower. Was he right or was he wrong?
Now EG is just Stephano, a few koreans that get all killed in proleague and some high priced, mid range westerners that never win anything either.
Always been a fan of EG, but this revolving door policy makes me sick. Who is next? Machine? HuK?
Honestly I don't agree with any of that other than the first two sentences. This was far from being the first incident with Idra. He called the fans a bunch of fucks, doesn't matter that he didn't mean it. Also, HuK is always doing fairly well, Suppy looked great in his WCS groups, and Thorzain and Demu are getting back into shape in sc2 it seems like. Also Jaedong is starting to look extremely good but wit one hell of an Achilles heel of ZvP
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With Idra out and Xenocider in, sign me up.
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Such great weekend for EG, nearly perfect.
having an all EG finlas at IEM and Huk in Redbull finals, i guess that korean teamhouse is starting to show results :D (including Snute)
Keep being awesome, GG!
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I freaking love EG! great weekend for them!
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Hey,
I see "EG.Xeno" in the side bar in the stream. Is this a new player ? I don't find him on liquidpedia and there is no threads with his name here. Is this recent ?
The only Xeno i can find is a French protoss, but on the stream it seems it's a chinese terran player. Who is this guy ?
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That´s EG.Xenocider  Recently joined iirc.
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On July 29 2013 19:26 Roybs wrote:That´s EG.Xenocider Recently joined iirc.
Oh ok ! Did not now that. I don't think i ever heard of him. But terran is a good addition for them.
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On July 29 2013 22:57 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 19:28 FFW_Rude wrote:On July 29 2013 19:26 Roybs wrote:That´s EG.Xenocider Recently joined iirc. Oh ok ! Did not now that. I don't think i ever heard of him. But terran is a good addition for them. Heres the artice posted a month ago by EG about Xeno joining the team  http://evilgeniuses.gg/libo-xenocider-chang-added-to-sc2-division/some good insight about why they recruited him and such.
Oh taht was a cool read. Thank you
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