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On October 11 2012 19:09 fakgfdgfdh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion. This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! it doesent matter if they favoured amateur parting and naniwa when its so false Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 05:00 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:56 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion. This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! edit: well from your history in this thread it seems like you've been trying to fight for mvp's bonjwa status since he won 3 championships (and right before he lost to mma the next season LOL). Keep fighting the good fight bro. I feel awful having to downplay mvp when he's my favorite gsl player. But god people like you are annoying Technically Mvp has had that 'aura of dominance' already, during 2011 he was HEAVILY favoured against anyone, and any loss was an upset. Just like BoxeR and NaDa were after their peaks, Mvp has peaked, is still very good, but has left behind that aura of dominance. The reason Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa was because Flash overshadowed him so much, it had nothing to do with his trophies, if Flash hadn't been playing he'd obviously be a bonjwa. where as mma topped mvp for a while, then fell off again. he was never better in any way
Yes he was, around October arguably MMA was the better player. Though that is of course a very short time period.
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so what's all this ruckus in our lord's fan club right now? just people arguing whether Mvp should be called a bonjwa or not?
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On October 11 2012 09:26 Entirety wrote:
How ironic that Mvp ends up as the only Terran hope in the end.
To me, he has always been THE terran player for sc2. And he has not failed this point thus far.
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At this point, I'm begging the TeamLiquid writers to write a Life 4-0 Mvp prediction. That will practically guarantee Mvp's victory. 
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On October 11 2012 23:58 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 19:09 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion. This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! it doesent matter if they favoured amateur parting and naniwa when its so false On October 11 2012 05:00 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:56 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:
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Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out.
Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion.
This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! edit: well from your history in this thread it seems like you've been trying to fight for mvp's bonjwa status since he won 3 championships (and right before he lost to mma the next season LOL). Keep fighting the good fight bro. I feel awful having to downplay mvp when he's my favorite gsl player. But god people like you are annoying Technically Mvp has had that 'aura of dominance' already, during 2011 he was HEAVILY favoured against anyone, and any loss was an upset. Just like BoxeR and NaDa were after their peaks, Mvp has peaked, is still very good, but has left behind that aura of dominance. The reason Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa was because Flash overshadowed him so much, it had nothing to do with his trophies, if Flash hadn't been playing he'd obviously be a bonjwa. where as mma topped mvp for a while, then fell off again. he was never better in any way Yes he was, around October arguably MMA was the better player. Though that is of course a very short time period.
There was 1 day between MMA beating MVP in GSL and MVP winning blizzcon. A VERY short time period indeed.
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love seeing mvp fanclub constantly bumped and popping up at the sidebar (:
loving that banner, baller as fuck
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On October 12 2012 02:25 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 23:58 kollin wrote:On October 11 2012 19:09 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion. This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! it doesent matter if they favoured amateur parting and naniwa when its so false On October 11 2012 05:00 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:56 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:
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This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain.
Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means.
Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine
edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! edit: well from your history in this thread it seems like you've been trying to fight for mvp's bonjwa status since he won 3 championships (and right before he lost to mma the next season LOL). Keep fighting the good fight bro. I feel awful having to downplay mvp when he's my favorite gsl player. But god people like you are annoying Technically Mvp has had that 'aura of dominance' already, during 2011 he was HEAVILY favoured against anyone, and any loss was an upset. Just like BoxeR and NaDa were after their peaks, Mvp has peaked, is still very good, but has left behind that aura of dominance. The reason Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa was because Flash overshadowed him so much, it had nothing to do with his trophies, if Flash hadn't been playing he'd obviously be a bonjwa. where as mma topped mvp for a while, then fell off again. he was never better in any way Yes he was, around October arguably MMA was the better player. Though that is of course a very short time period. There was 1 day between MMA beating MVP in GSL and MVP winning blizzcon. A VERY short time period indeed.
Hey, you've got to take it when you can get it.
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On October 12 2012 01:12 Kenny_oro wrote:Good Luck! I'll just leave this here (made by TL User nicopower5000) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xLkAO.jpg) Full Size here: http://i.imgur.com/ObrpR.jpg
It would have been better if Life was closing his mouth and Mvp had his mouth open.
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On October 12 2012 05:59 Entirety wrote:It would have been better if Life was closing his mouth and Mvp had his mouth open.
Mvp only openes his mouth when shit gets serious and I don't think he is impressed by Life. :D
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Ridiculous banter about the term bonjwa. Fuck that word. Who gives a fuck. I hate it as much as that whole mentally retarded 'hwaiting' bullshit. To hell with you.
Let's just use an english word: God.
He is the most successful sc2 player to date by a WIDE margin. Game over fellows. Get off your seats, stand up, bow and salute the man. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. The facts stand.
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On October 12 2012 02:54 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:25 Luepert wrote:On October 11 2012 23:58 kollin wrote:On October 11 2012 19:09 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:
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Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out.
Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion.
This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! it doesent matter if they favoured amateur parting and naniwa when its so false On October 11 2012 05:00 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:56 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:
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Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll.
Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2.
If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title.
Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! edit: well from your history in this thread it seems like you've been trying to fight for mvp's bonjwa status since he won 3 championships (and right before he lost to mma the next season LOL). Keep fighting the good fight bro. I feel awful having to downplay mvp when he's my favorite gsl player. But god people like you are annoying Technically Mvp has had that 'aura of dominance' already, during 2011 he was HEAVILY favoured against anyone, and any loss was an upset. Just like BoxeR and NaDa were after their peaks, Mvp has peaked, is still very good, but has left behind that aura of dominance. The reason Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa was because Flash overshadowed him so much, it had nothing to do with his trophies, if Flash hadn't been playing he'd obviously be a bonjwa. where as mma topped mvp for a while, then fell off again. he was never better in any way Yes he was, around October arguably MMA was the better player. Though that is of course a very short time period. There was 1 day between MMA beating MVP in GSL and MVP winning blizzcon. A VERY short time period indeed. Hey, you've got to take it when you can get it.
It was a little longer than that haha. mma and drg's series in december also? mma was a top top terran for a few months, then fell to oblivion
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On October 12 2012 06:15 Mr.Faces wrote:
Ridiculous banter about the term bonjwa. Fuck that word. Who gives a fuck. I hate it as much as that whole mentally retarded 'hwaiting' bullshit. To hell with you.
Let's just use an english word: God.
He is the most successful sc2 player to date by a WIDE margin. Game over fellows. Get off your seats, stand up, bow and salute the man. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. The facts stand.
We call him the King. God's not very original. Emperor's been taken, Genius Terrans been taken, Tyrant, Revolutionist, all that's been used. But Mvp is the first person to be called "the king"!
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On October 12 2012 01:12 Kenny_oro wrote:Good Luck! I'll just leave this here (made by TL User nicopower5000) Full Size here: http://i.imgur.com/ObrpR.jpg
wow, really nice!
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On October 11 2012 23:58 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 19:09 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion. This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! it doesent matter if they favoured amateur parting and naniwa when its so false On October 11 2012 05:00 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:56 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:
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Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out.
Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion.
This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! edit: well from your history in this thread it seems like you've been trying to fight for mvp's bonjwa status since he won 3 championships (and right before he lost to mma the next season LOL). Keep fighting the good fight bro. I feel awful having to downplay mvp when he's my favorite gsl player. But god people like you are annoying Technically Mvp has had that 'aura of dominance' already, during 2011 he was HEAVILY favoured against anyone, and any loss was an upset. Just like BoxeR and NaDa were after their peaks, Mvp has peaked, is still very good, but has left behind that aura of dominance. The reason Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa was because Flash overshadowed him so much, it had nothing to do with his trophies, if Flash hadn't been playing he'd obviously be a bonjwa. where as mma topped mvp for a while, then fell off again. he was never better in any way Yes he was, around October arguably MMA was the better player. Though that is of course a very short time period.
i guarantee he was never a better player. he was never thef avourite in any match or bigger favourite against any player. people dont randomly increase and decrease in skill
On October 12 2012 02:54 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:25 Luepert wrote:On October 11 2012 23:58 kollin wrote:On October 11 2012 19:09 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:
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Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out.
Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion.
This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! it doesent matter if they favoured amateur parting and naniwa when its so false On October 11 2012 05:00 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:56 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:
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Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll.
Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2.
If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title.
Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! edit: well from your history in this thread it seems like you've been trying to fight for mvp's bonjwa status since he won 3 championships (and right before he lost to mma the next season LOL). Keep fighting the good fight bro. I feel awful having to downplay mvp when he's my favorite gsl player. But god people like you are annoying Technically Mvp has had that 'aura of dominance' already, during 2011 he was HEAVILY favoured against anyone, and any loss was an upset. Just like BoxeR and NaDa were after their peaks, Mvp has peaked, is still very good, but has left behind that aura of dominance. The reason Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa was because Flash overshadowed him so much, it had nothing to do with his trophies, if Flash hadn't been playing he'd obviously be a bonjwa. where as mma topped mvp for a while, then fell off again. he was never better in any way Yes he was, around October arguably MMA was the better player. Though that is of course a very short time period. There was 1 day between MMA beating MVP in GSL and MVP winning blizzcon. A VERY short time period indeed. Hey, you've got to take it when you can get it.
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On October 12 2012 01:12 Kenny_oro wrote:Good Luck! I'll just leave this here (made by TL User nicopower5000) Full Size here: http://i.imgur.com/ObrpR.jpg
mvps chin doesn't look healthy lol. maybe it's because of all the mouthbreathing.
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people dont randomly increase and decrease in skill
I don't wanna chime in on the rest of the debate as I didn't follow it (and to be honest i don't care) but i find this sentence to be completely false. People are not machine and there is bound to be change in performance and execution, even skill through lack of training and other various physical and psychological factors.
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On October 12 2012 07:07 fakgfdgfdh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 23:58 kollin wrote:On October 11 2012 19:09 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:15 redviper wrote:But how many times have we betted agaisnt the guy? We said naniwa would beat him, we said parting would beat him, we said rain would beat him. Who are these mythical "we". I haven't bet against mvp since his victory over mkp in the world championship finals. Even when he is down and looks broken, I know that he can pull out a win. A smart drop, a good run by, incredible patience, a cheese, a hidden base .. whatever it takes. That is what makes mvp a bonjwa in my eyes - you can never ever count him out. Not to mention that everytime there is a new innovation in the meta game for terrans, its mvp leading the way. Did you see how he single handedly changed TvZ at IEM? Now everyone does banshee, thor, tank, hellion. This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain. Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means. Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! it doesent matter if they favoured amateur parting and naniwa when its so false On October 11 2012 05:00 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:56 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:
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This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain.
Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means.
Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine
edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! edit: well from your history in this thread it seems like you've been trying to fight for mvp's bonjwa status since he won 3 championships (and right before he lost to mma the next season LOL). Keep fighting the good fight bro. I feel awful having to downplay mvp when he's my favorite gsl player. But god people like you are annoying Technically Mvp has had that 'aura of dominance' already, during 2011 he was HEAVILY favoured against anyone, and any loss was an upset. Just like BoxeR and NaDa were after their peaks, Mvp has peaked, is still very good, but has left behind that aura of dominance. The reason Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa was because Flash overshadowed him so much, it had nothing to do with his trophies, if Flash hadn't been playing he'd obviously be a bonjwa. where as mma topped mvp for a while, then fell off again. he was never better in any way Yes he was, around October arguably MMA was the better player. Though that is of course a very short time period. i guarantee he was never a better player. he was never thef avourite in any match or bigger favourite against any player. people dont randomly increase and decrease in skill Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:54 kollin wrote:On October 12 2012 02:25 Luepert wrote:On October 11 2012 23:58 kollin wrote:On October 11 2012 19:09 fakgfdgfdh wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:35 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:23 rysecake wrote:
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This "we" is the majority of TL in case you haven't noticed. Check the "head" vs "heart" votes for mvp vs rain.
Mvp is the best palyer in sc2 so far and my favorite non kespa player. But I'm getting pretty sick of this bonjwa bullshit when 90% of the people using it don't even understand what the term means.
Call him the king, call him the greatest sc2 player to date. All fine
edit: well apparently there are more votes for mvp in "head" now than before the games. Fucking cheaters voting after the games so they don't look bad lol Your argument is faulty because you are generalizing based on a selective poll. Worse there is some weird shit going on with the defense of bonjwa. MVP is the bonjwa because you don't own the term. BW doesn't own the term. Why is that word so precious to you bw fans? MVP isn't just the king, he is the God. And he is the only bonjwa in SC2. If he wins this final even the general opinion will place him as a bonjwa. And we can all point out how we knew he was a bonjwa even before he won his fourth title. Oh also MVP is THE bonjwa. Not just a former bonjwa like all the old ones. haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =( Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! it doesent matter if they favoured amateur parting and naniwa when its so false On October 11 2012 05:00 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:56 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 11 2012 04:47 rysecake wrote:On October 11 2012 04:44 redviper wrote:On October 11 2012 04:37 rysecake wrote:
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haha k w.e you say buddy. I've been an mvp fan since he took a game off flash in 2010. I'm even the first person to sign up for this fanclub. But you're just fucking ridiculous lol. You can call him w.e you want. The korean community decides who becomes a bonjwa anyway, so I guess tastosis will let us know when he actually becomes one. cya later
The way you throw around that title I feel awful for Jaedong. Someone who's accomplished 3x as much as mvp, and still isn't a bonjwa. What a poor fellow =(
Really? Jaedong has won 12 GSLs? Damn thats really impressive. Yep. Wanna know what's even more impressive? That the majority of TL favored naniwa, parting, and rain to beat mvp. Man this guy sure seems invincible! edit: well from your history in this thread it seems like you've been trying to fight for mvp's bonjwa status since he won 3 championships (and right before he lost to mma the next season LOL). Keep fighting the good fight bro. I feel awful having to downplay mvp when he's my favorite gsl player. But god people like you are annoying Technically Mvp has had that 'aura of dominance' already, during 2011 he was HEAVILY favoured against anyone, and any loss was an upset. Just like BoxeR and NaDa were after their peaks, Mvp has peaked, is still very good, but has left behind that aura of dominance. The reason Jaedong wasn't a bonjwa was because Flash overshadowed him so much, it had nothing to do with his trophies, if Flash hadn't been playing he'd obviously be a bonjwa. where as mma topped mvp for a while, then fell off again. he was never better in any way Yes he was, around October arguably MMA was the better player. Though that is of course a very short time period. There was 1 day between MMA beating MVP in GSL and MVP winning blizzcon. A VERY short time period indeed. Hey, you've got to take it when you can get it. what
Well traditionally the circle was MMA > MVP > Polt > MMA. At least that was the case in 2011 with their TvTs, maybe not so much now.
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