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On July 03 2013 07:38 NonY wrote:Terrible experience with that WCS tournament. I don't think I'll attempt to play in another one until there's a new system. I ended up waiting around and doing nothing for three hours only to have my opponent advance over me without any games being played. I've never seen a site full of so much irrelevant information. Something like 90% of the links on the WCS AM qualifier tournament page are to things unrelated to the WCS AM qualifiers. Even something as simple as going to http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/wcs/america_2013season2_challenger_qualifier1/ and clicking "Play" is a completely false path. I never found any information on my opponent except his ESL site profile, which didn't show me his b.net info. I went in the b.net chat several times and asked admins how to play my match and never got a response. They weren't afk; they just didn't respond to my questions. Since most players seemed to participate easily, I'm guessing I missed something, but the site is full of so much misdirection that I don't feel bad about it. And I thought the b.net chat would be a fail-safe but it wasn't.
I couldn't even get my battle.net to work.
That site is absolutely AWFUL!
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Oh man that's so brutal 
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their website is fucking gross but ive gotten used to shitty websites i guess. Bigger problem is hitting top 2nd rd lol
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On July 03 2013 09:06 Ochrow wrote:
While the general consensus is correct that the ESL site is trash is completely correct ESL admins asked for Tyler repeatedly in chat, PM'd him multiple times (which did not go through due to DnD mode) and eventually had a text sent to his phone all in an attempt to avoid giving the walkover. Unfortunately after over 2 hours of no response the decision was made to give the walkover. Nobody wanted this to happen, but to blame the system and criticize those who put in the effort to correct something that was not their fault is completely unjust.
I didn't know the guy I was texting with was an admin -- I thought he was just a friend who was following the tournament and trying to help -- but he asked "Play ro128 yet?" and I replied "No lol. Been waiting 3 hours. This site is terrible and admins don't respond to me in bnet chat. Not playing this tournament again "
I went in the chat room again after the text, still no help. Then the next time I checked the bracket, my opponent had advanced. I don't think that constitutes an effort to avoid a walkover. If he really was an admin and had my match ready to go, I think he'd say something like "come back to the chat room and play your Ro128 or you're gonna be eliminated"
Yeah, it's certainly possible that admins tried to contact me via b.net and weren't able to because I wasn't in the chat room for the whole three hours I was waiting. I was coming and going. One time I went in the chat and asked how to play my match and got no response and at another time I asked if an admin could host my match and I got no response. I checked in around five or six times and never got a message from my opponent or an admin saying my match was ready to be played. I think I spent at least an hour in the chat room.
Before the tournament, an admin did pay attention to me enough to tell me that I can't stream. I wish I had used that attention to learn how to identify my opponent and report results but I didn't yet know that I'd have any problem. So it's not like they were completely unresponsive. In fact, admins were chatting with other people when I asked for help. They just never got to me until I gave up waiting and went back to practicing.
The system is shit. The web pages we use (wcs.battle.net and esl.eu) are terrible at clearly communicating the pertinent information for players. ESL's web site is especially inundated with bullshit that is not at all related to my playing in WCS AM and much of it could plausibly be relevant, and therefore misleading. I never imagined that the bracket was full of links for match details when there are so many more natural places to put this most pertinent information and I never imagined that I was on the right track for my opponent's b.net ID and identifier when I found his ESL social network profile ("Here's the date he joined ESL! Oh, you want his b.net ID? That's weird. Click the "gameaccounts" link on the side menu to get to that layer of his profile. What do you mean which side menu? Oh yeah I forgot we've got multiple side menus on every side of the site. It's this one over here on the left, kinda in the middle"). If it weren't for ESL's attempt to be a social network and support multiple games with one profile, the pertinent information would be easy to find because there'd be nothing obscuring it.
My experience with ESL's system: I have to use it for one specific task, to play in a qualifier for a Blizzard tournament, but ESL buries all the info I need from them under multiple click throughs and scrolling so that I get flooded with all their self-advertising for their social network and TV network and amateur tournaments and games I don't play and whatever else they've got going on. If you took all the non-WCS AM qualifier graphics and text that I had to look at and replaced it with google ads, it would be more obvious how absolutely absurd their user interface is. But since it's all just self-advertisement and internal links, it doesn't seem so malicious. They could have literally all the info and services I need to participate in their tournament on one web page. But they are the opposite of that.
In the first place I admitted that I must be at fault because there were other players getting along just fine without any help. A shitty system is still a shitty system and unresponsive admins are still unresponsive admins.
My participation in this qualifier was ruined and I felt like my fans deserved an explanation. Justice doesn't enter into it. I'm not seeking justice here and I'm not sure what led you to believe that. I don't care to figure out where the responsibility lies and what judgment is most fair and whether justice is served. This was just my personal account communicated specifically to my fans. They can take from it what they will. If ESL and WCS care enough, then they can make their explanations to their followers. I don't think anyone cares for that. If I made these posts in SC2 General or Featured Blogs and I was calling for judgements and changes, then you could be concerned with justice. As it is, I think you're out of line here.
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On July 03 2013 07:38 NonY wrote:Terrible experience with that WCS tournament. I don't think I'll attempt to play in another one until there's a new system. I ended up waiting around and doing nothing for three hours only to have my opponent advance over me without any games being played. I've never seen a site full of so much irrelevant information. Something like 90% of the links on the WCS AM qualifier tournament page are to things unrelated to the WCS AM qualifiers. Even something as simple as going to http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/wcs/america_2013season2_challenger_qualifier1/ and clicking "Play" is a completely false path. I never found any information on my opponent except his ESL site profile, which didn't show me his b.net info. I went in the b.net chat several times and asked admins how to play my match and never got a response. They weren't afk; they just didn't respond to my questions. Since most players seemed to participate easily, I'm guessing I missed something, but the site is full of so much misdirection that I don't feel bad about it. And I thought the b.net chat would be a fail-safe but it wasn't.
Shitty. Hope things get worked out because from that alone this sounds very unacceptable from an administration POV.
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On July 03 2013 12:09 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:06 Ochrow wrote:
While the general consensus is correct that the ESL site is trash is completely correct ESL admins asked for Tyler repeatedly in chat, PM'd him multiple times (which did not go through due to DnD mode) and eventually had a text sent to his phone all in an attempt to avoid giving the walkover. Unfortunately after over 2 hours of no response the decision was made to give the walkover. Nobody wanted this to happen, but to blame the system and criticize those who put in the effort to correct something that was not their fault is completely unjust. I didn't know the guy I was texting with was an admin -- I thought he was just a friend who was following the tournament and trying to help -- but he asked "Play ro128 yet?" and I replied "No lol. Been waiting 3 hours. This site is terrible and admins don't respond to me in bnet chat. Not playing this tournament again " I went in the chat room again after the text, still no help. Then the next time I checked the bracket, my opponent had advanced. I don't think that constitutes an effort to avoid a walkover. If he really was an admin and had my match ready to go, I think he'd say something like "come back to the chat room and play your Ro128 or you're gonna be eliminated" Yeah, it's certainly possible that admins tried to contact me via b.net and weren't able to because I wasn't in the chat room for the whole three hours I was waiting. I was coming and going. One time I went in the chat and asked how to play my match and got no response and at another time I asked if an admin could host my match and I got no response. I checked in around five or six times and never got a message from my opponent or an admin saying my match was ready to be played. I think I spent at least an hour in the chat room. Before the tournament, an admin did pay attention to me enough to tell me that I can't stream. I wish I had used that attention to learn how to identify my opponent and report results but I didn't yet know that I'd have any problem. So it's not like they were completely unresponsive. In fact, admins were chatting with other people when I asked for help. They just never got to me until I gave up waiting and went back to practicing. The system is shit. The web pages we use (wcs.battle.net and esl.eu) are terrible at clearly communicating the pertinent information for players. ESL's web site is especially inundated with bullshit that is not at all related to my playing in WCS AM and much of it could plausibly be relevant, and therefore misleading. I never imagined that the bracket was full of links for match details when there are so many more natural places to put this most pertinent information and I never imagined that I was on the right track for my opponent's b.net ID and identifier when I found his ESL social network profile ("Here's the date he joined ESL! Oh, you want his b.net ID? That's weird. Click the "gameaccounts" link on the side menu to get to that layer of his profile. What do you mean which side menu? Oh yeah I forgot we've got multiple side menus on every side of the site. It's this one over here on the left, kinda in the middle"). If it weren't for ESL's attempt to be a social network and support multiple games with one profile, the pertinent information would be easy to find because there'd be nothing obscuring it. My experience with ESL's system: I have to use it for one specific task, to play in a qualifier for a Blizzard tournament, but ESL buries all the info I need from them under multiple click throughs and scrolling so that I get flooded with all their self-advertising for their social network and TV network and amateur tournaments and games I don't play and whatever else they've got going on. If you took all the non-WCS AM qualifier graphics and text that I had to look at and replaced it with google ads, it would be more obvious how absolutely absurd their user interface is. But since it's all just self-advertisement and internal links, it doesn't seem so malicious. They could have literally all the info and services I need to participate in their tournament on one web page. But they are the opposite of that. In the first place I admitted that I must be at fault because there were other players getting along just fine without any help. A shitty system is still a shitty system and unresponsive admins are still unresponsive admins. My participation in this qualifier was ruined and I felt like my fans deserved an explanation. Justice doesn't enter into it. I'm not seeking justice here and I'm not sure what led you to believe that. I don't care to figure out where the responsibility lies and what judgment is most fair and whether justice is served. This was just my personal account communicated specifically to my fans. They can take from it what they will. If ESL and WCS care enough, then they can make their explanations to their followers. I don't think anyone cares for that. If I made these posts in SC2 General or Featured Blogs and I was calling for judgements and changes, then you could be concerned with justice. As it is, I think you're out of line here.
i wonder what the admin was thinking sending a text like that with no context and other info
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Seems rather silly that they haven't learned after last season...
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Yo Tyler, what happened to the twitter?
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On July 04 2013 12:43 TechNoTrance wrote:
Yo Tyler, what happened to the twitter?
he was hacked, his stream as well.
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Am I understanding this right? WCS NA is full of Koreans and the Americans get a death loose because they get no support? Blizzard wtf? Or is it really Blizzards fault? Something needs to be done with this WCS system asap.
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On July 04 2013 16:04 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 12:43 TechNoTrance wrote:
Yo Tyler, what happened to the twitter? he was hacked, his stream as well.
Has there been any updates? Haven't seen him stream and his Twitter is still missing...
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Nony's Twitter is back hopefully that is a sign that everything is ok.
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On July 07 2013 08:18 Asterious wrote:
Nony's Twitter is back hopefully that is a sign that everything is ok.
Really? I can't even search for @chilltoss anymore. Nothing comes up now when before it came up on the search but it lead to an error page...
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I can get to it. Go to http://www.twitter.com/chilltoss and, if it's still not working, try ctrl+F5 to force refresh. (Forces the browser to re-download the page entirely, no cache)
I saw him stream a bit more, but I'm curious if it was really him. He kept saying a lot of rather silly things, like "Well, my 3 game quota is done." right before he shut it all down. I can see the "doesn't care what people think", etc arguments...but everything about it still felt weird, down to the strange mouse movement that didn't correlate to the screen again. No camera or voice at all the entire time, though the play did look considerably more NonY-esq.
Not certain either way, but it all still feels...weird.
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Nony: making maphacking so obvuious liek rofl :D
Also, Nony likes Ott and I like Ott so naturally I must like Nony
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NonYyyyyyyy...
Please send your mother home so you can stream again.
I miss you.
-Gofarman
PS- Are you liking the direction that HPMOR is heading? or was the death of your beloved to hard to handle?
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agmrtklrtömnspkbms.dbsfl
comeback Nony
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Nony streaming!
And he's got some hardcore setup
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Remind me why I play this race sir.
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