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IVN
534 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote: Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? | ||
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Mr.SoloDolo
American Samoa90 Posts
On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote: My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? I guess that makes MC a 3rd grade Korean by your logic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ P.S. NesTea has won the most GSL's and hes not a terran. | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
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NGrNecris
New Zealand855 Posts
On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote: My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? Guess Flash isn't that great if he practices with a 2nd grade korean... oh wait | ||
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IVN
534 Posts
On August 22 2011 08:17 Mr.SoloDolo wrote: I guess that makes MC a 3rd grade Korean by your logic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ P.S. NesTea has won the most GSL's and hes not a terran. 1. MC ist obviously a 1st grade player. Puma is a scrub, if we compare his and MC's achievements. 2. He should switch to Terran, because the learning curve and the macro is more similar to Protoss. On August 22 2011 08:27 NGrNecris wrote: Guess Flash isn't that great if he practices with a 2nd grade korean... oh wait Where does that urban legend come from? Seriously, LOL? The only evidence we have from Puma's skill (from the BW days), were his games vs Nal_Ra (in the Old Boy series). And even there, he wasnt top of the crop, just better than Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for like 3 years and decided to practice for 3 months and take a shot at a league. | ||
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Carny
Croatia284 Posts
On August 22 2011 08:17 Mr.SoloDolo wrote: I guess that makes MC a 3rd grade Korean by your logic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ P.S. NesTea has won the most GSL's and hes not a terran. Well NesTea doesn't have to teal with PvT and their 1-1-1 or does he? | ||
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DNA61289
United States665 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote: My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? ... Are you for real? This second grade Korean was FlasH's first choice in practice partners and could run circles around MC in Broodwar. You might say this is not BW. Yes you are right. In SC2, PuMa is 7-3 in major tournament championships against MC (NASL and IEM). Only two of those wins is this elleged 1-1-1 build. I'm an MC fanboy as much as the next guy, but seriously, let us atleast be accurate if we are to insult a player that beat MC. | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
will MC ever be able to take down Puma or will he have to soon had over his title as the best Korean player??? one great storyline evolving. ^_^ which is good cause it something i felt Koreans have lacked over foreigners. | ||
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oblong9
United States14 Posts
1. MC ist obviously a 1st grade player. Puma is a scrub, if we compare his and MC's achievements. 2. He should switch to Terran, because the learning curve and the macro is more similar to Protoss. Where does that urban legend come from? Seriously, LOL? The only evidence we have from Puma's skill (from the BW days), were his games vs Nal_Ra (in the Old Boy series). And even there, he wasnt top of the crop, just better than Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for like 3 years and decided to practice for 3 months and take a shot at a league. urban legend? what teh fuck are you talking about it is a complete fact that puma was flash's favorite and most common practice partner you cant call people scrubs because they get cheesed out of code b and get unlucky, mc takes enormous risks in almost all of his games and doesnt play a safe style hardly ever looks like his risks paid off amirite | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:20 oblong9 wrote: it is a complete fact that puma was flash's favorite and most common practice partner wat. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:20 oblong9 wrote: it is a complete fact that puma was flash's favorite and most common practice partner Show me evidence and I will believe you. Puma couldn't beat any good names on Brood War. Look at his BW record. He could beat no names but couldn't beat anyone worth mentioning. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
Even someone like  Hyuk with his stellar 30% win ZvT is a practice house bonjwa but fails hard when he gets to the televised games.Even if he doesn't have any notable wins on TV he can still play amazing practice games. Bad players can still be good practice partners. | ||
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bubl100500
Ukraine538 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:20 oblong9 wrote: urban legend? what teh fuck are you talking about it is a complete fact that puma was flash's favorite and most common practice partner you cant call people scrubs because they get cheesed out of code b and get unlucky, mc takes enormous risks in almost all of his games and doesnt play a safe style hardly ever looks like his risks paid off amirite I don't understand how being Flash's favorite practice partner makes Puma that great of a player, he has zero accomplishments in Brood war. You can't just blame nerves on that. And as for sc2 he is obviously good but so are tons of other terrans, and he is not zerg or protoss to have problems getting into GSL... And MC didn't played greedy in their last games, 1 gate fe is the most optimal build against 111, so this "looks like his risks paid off amirite" is irrelevant. | ||
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Zombie_Velociraptor
274 Posts
Being a good practice partner requires completely different mind and skillset than being a pro player. Sure, some of it is transferrable - but at the end of day, a great deal of amazing players are horrendous practice partners, and even more players who are great in practice are terrible in tournament play. It's not even about 'choking on TV' or whatever, it's just a different skillset. It's like, I don't know, claiming a quality assurance guy should be an amazing player, because y'know, he spends days upon days testing video games. It's not the same, at all. That said, PuMa is a good player, quite likely on par with the good but not too accomplished terran players like Ganzi, Taeja, Noblesse, aLive or whatever, but the bullshit claims about him being 'the best Terran in the world' are getting fucking old - he's NOWHERE CLOSE to MVP, at least right at this point. As for the retarded 'MC plays risky in all his games' sentiment, I don't even know what to think of anyone who says that. MC is THE ONLY FUCKING PROTOSS IN THE WORLD who even has the balls to do anything apart from the textbook standard 2base plays which are more of a gamble than a slot machine these days. Find me a single other Protoss player out there who has more variance in his play, who actually at least TRIED to play macro games instead of flipping coins with VR allins or 7gate bullshit against top tier Terran players (and no, NA ladder doesn't really count). Does that make him stupid? I don't know, maybe, seeing as it doesn't seem to work very well. But at least MC is actually trying to be a better player, rather than hope his all-in doesn't get scanned or blind countered by lolol bunkers. | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:39 SnowFantasy wrote: You do understand that you don't need to be good on TV to play well in a practice environment right? Even someone like Hyuk with his stellar 30% win ZvT is a practice house bonjwa but fails hard when he gets to the televised games.Even if he doesn't have any notable wins on TV he can still play amazing practice games. Bad players can still be good practice partners. hyuk is awesome he defeated jd in pl finals, eliminated flash from bachus osl(to give his teammate a chance to stay) and all killed stx on their tourney in the final match. more than average if you ask me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125281 | ||
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quaffle
United States249 Posts
You make Protoss look easy, Even though the Terrans are a little cheesy. The Zergs scream IMBA! IMBA! IMBA! While you end their pathetic cries. And when it comes time to face a toss, You show that choobo who's boss. As time passes, you grow stronger, But delay no longer. Go fly like a butterfly and sting like a bee, For this is the Age of oGsMC! | ||
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untilMay
Korea (South)190 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:35 BlazeFury01 wrote: Show me evidence and I will believe you. Puma couldn't beat any good names on Brood War. Look at his BW record. He could beat no names but couldn't beat anyone worth mentioning. There is no "proof" I doubt anyone would save screenshots of PRIVATE practice games. The fact of the matter is, Artosis once said it and now everyone believes it. We don't know how Artosis knew this but because he rarely lies we believed him. Also, what would you be looking for for proof? A video? Screenshot? because those things wouldn't be available. I doubt Flash would've wanted his TvT strats released when he practiced vs. PuMa.... | ||
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IVN
534 Posts
On August 22 2011 09:13 mprs wrote: ... Are you for real? This second grade Korean was FlasH's first choice in practice partners and could run circles around MC in Broodwar. You might say this is not BW. Yes you are right. In SC2, PuMa is 7-3 in major tournament championships against MC (NASL and IEM). Only two of those wins is this elleged 1-1-1 build. I'm an MC fanboy as much as the next guy, but seriously, let us atleast be accurate if we are to insult a player that beat MC. Honestly, I've heard Tastosis say that a number of times, but I dont believe everything those two crazy guys say. Where is the evidence? On August 22 2011 10:06 untilMay wrote: There is no "proof" I doubt anyone would save screenshots of PRIVATE practice games. The fact of the matter is, Artosis once said it and now everyone believes it. We don't know how Artosis knew this but because he rarely lies we believed him. Also, what would you be looking for for proof? A video? Screenshot? because those things wouldn't be available. I doubt Flash would've wanted his TvT strats released when he practiced vs. PuMa.... And as counter proof we have Nal_Ra's Old Boy, where Puma barely manages to take out Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for 3 (!!!!!) years and only practiced for 3 months before attempting to qualify in a league. Ergo, such a guy could never in hell be Flash's practice partner. And in SC2 he is good, but not more than that. | ||
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