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On August 22 2011 08:28 IVN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 08:17 Mr.SoloDolo wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? I guess that makes MC a 3rd grade Korean by your logic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ P.S. NesTea has won the most GSL's and hes not a terran. 1. MC ist obviously a 1st grade player. Puma is a scrub, if we compare his and MC's achievements. 2. He should switch to Terran, because the learning curve and the macro is more similar to Protoss. Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 08:27 NGrNecris wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? Guess Flash isn't that great if he practices with a 2nd grade korean... oh wait Where does that urban legend come from? Seriously, LOL? The only evidence we have from Puma's skill (from the BW days), were his games vs Nal_Ra (in the Old Boy series). And even there, he wasnt top of the crop, just better than Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for like 3 years and decided to practice for 3 months and take a shot at a league.
puma isnt a scrub...
Puma is one of the best terrans in the world.
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On August 22 2011 10:07 IVN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 09:13 mprs wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? ... Are you for real? This second grade Korean was FlasH's first choice in practice partners and could run circles around MC in Broodwar. You might say this is not BW. Yes you are right. In SC2, PuMa is 7-3 in major tournament championships against MC (NASL and IEM). Only two of those wins is this elleged 1-1-1 build. I'm an MC fanboy as much as the next guy, but seriously, let us atleast be accurate if we are to insult a player that beat MC. Honestly, I've heard Tastosis say that a number of times, but I dont believe everything those two crazy guys say. Where is the evidence? Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 10:06 untilMay wrote:On August 22 2011 09:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 22 2011 09:20 oblong9 wrote:1. MC ist obviously a 1st grade player. Puma is a scrub, if we compare his and MC's achievements. 2. He should switch to Terran, because the learning curve and the macro is more similar to Protoss. On August 22 2011 08:27 NGrNecris wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? Guess Flash isn't that great if he practices with a 2nd grade korean... oh wait Where does that urban legend come from? Seriously, LOL? The only evidence we have from Puma's skill (from the BW days), were his games vs Nal_Ra (in the Old Boy series). And even there, he wasnt top of the crop, just better than Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for like 3 years and decided to practice for 3 months and take a shot at a league. it is a complete fact that puma was flash's favorite and most common practice partner Show me evidence and I will believe you. Puma couldn't beat any good names on Brood War. Look at his BW record. He could beat no names but couldn't beat anyone worth mentioning. There is no "proof" I doubt anyone would save screenshots of PRIVATE practice games. The fact of the matter is, Artosis once said it and now everyone believes it. We don't know how Artosis knew this but because he rarely lies we believed him. Also, what would you be looking for for proof? A video? Screenshot? because those things wouldn't be available. I doubt Flash would've wanted his TvT strats released when he practiced vs. PuMa.... And as counter proof we have Nal_Ra's Old Boy, where Puma barely manages to take out Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for 3 (!!!!!) years and only practiced for 3 months before attempting to qualify in a league. Ergo, such a guy could never in hell be Flash's practice partner. And in SC2 he is good, but not more than that.
But Nal_Ra beat Flash in Nal_Ra's Old Boy, ergo, Nal_Ra is better than Flash, ergo, Nal_Ra is the best player in the world
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but wait, Puma BEAT Nal_Ra, barely, so he must have only barely been the best player in the world by your logic
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I Thought this was the MC Fan club not the Puma Broodwar Practice partner theorycraft thread....
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On August 22 2011 10:18 Warrice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 08:28 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 08:17 Mr.SoloDolo wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? I guess that makes MC a 3rd grade Korean by your logic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ P.S. NesTea has won the most GSL's and hes not a terran. 1. MC ist obviously a 1st grade player. Puma is a scrub, if we compare his and MC's achievements. 2. He should switch to Terran, because the learning curve and the macro is more similar to Protoss. On August 22 2011 08:27 NGrNecris wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? Guess Flash isn't that great if he practices with a 2nd grade korean... oh wait Where does that urban legend come from? Seriously, LOL? The only evidence we have from Puma's skill (from the BW days), were his games vs Nal_Ra (in the Old Boy series). And even there, he wasnt top of the crop, just better than Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for like 3 years and decided to practice for 3 months and take a shot at a league. puma isnt a scrub... Puma is one of the best terrans in the world.
and you can prove that how? has he beaten bomber and mvp and nestea and losira on live tv? he only played in NASL and NASL open bracket for christ sakes. His only korean achievement is GSTL, which is more of a team thing
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MC! You played great and deserved the win totally.. God damn Korean terrans.. </3
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On August 22 2011 10:49 Kluey wrote:
MC! You played great and deserved the win totally.. God damn Korean terrans.. </3
But... he didn't win.
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On August 22 2011 10:33 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 10:07 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 09:13 mprs wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? ... Are you for real? This second grade Korean was FlasH's first choice in practice partners and could run circles around MC in Broodwar. You might say this is not BW. Yes you are right. In SC2, PuMa is 7-3 in major tournament championships against MC (NASL and IEM). Only two of those wins is this elleged 1-1-1 build. I'm an MC fanboy as much as the next guy, but seriously, let us atleast be accurate if we are to insult a player that beat MC. Honestly, I've heard Tastosis say that a number of times, but I dont believe everything those two crazy guys say. Where is the evidence? On August 22 2011 10:06 untilMay wrote:On August 22 2011 09:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 22 2011 09:20 oblong9 wrote:1. MC ist obviously a 1st grade player. Puma is a scrub, if we compare his and MC's achievements. 2. He should switch to Terran, because the learning curve and the macro is more similar to Protoss. On August 22 2011 08:27 NGrNecris wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? Guess Flash isn't that great if he practices with a 2nd grade korean... oh wait Where does that urban legend come from? Seriously, LOL? The only evidence we have from Puma's skill (from the BW days), were his games vs Nal_Ra (in the Old Boy series). And even there, he wasnt top of the crop, just better than Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for like 3 years and decided to practice for 3 months and take a shot at a league. it is a complete fact that puma was flash's favorite and most common practice partner Show me evidence and I will believe you. Puma couldn't beat any good names on Brood War. Look at his BW record. He could beat no names but couldn't beat anyone worth mentioning. There is no "proof" I doubt anyone would save screenshots of PRIVATE practice games. The fact of the matter is, Artosis once said it and now everyone believes it. We don't know how Artosis knew this but because he rarely lies we believed him. Also, what would you be looking for for proof? A video? Screenshot? because those things wouldn't be available. I doubt Flash would've wanted his TvT strats released when he practiced vs. PuMa.... And as counter proof we have Nal_Ra's Old Boy, where Puma barely manages to take out Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for 3 (!!!!!) years and only practiced for 3 months before attempting to qualify in a league. Ergo, such a guy could never in hell be Flash's practice partner. And in SC2 he is good, but not more than that. But Nal_Ra beat Flash in Nal_Ra's Old Boy, ergo, Nal_Ra is better than Flash, ergo, Nal_Ra is the best player in the world / \ but wait, Puma BEAT Nal_Ra, barely, so he must have only barely been the best player in the world by your logic
Flash let Nal_Ra win that one game, and destroyed him in the next bgillion games.
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He and his girl looks so cute together! :O
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Good luck in the future MC! I'm still a fan!
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On August 22 2011 10:50 Stanlot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 10:49 Kluey wrote:
MC! You played great and deserved the win totally.. God damn Korean terrans.. </3 But... he didn't win.
Thats why his heart is broken. =( </3
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I just downloaded the replays and rewatched again and I think Mc is no doubt the better player in the game, but ......
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Just saw the first game, MC played phenomenally well in defence against a near-broken build
He's still got it, he's not slumping, he's got this. Have faith everyone
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On August 22 2011 10:47 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 10:18 Warrice wrote:On August 22 2011 08:28 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 08:17 Mr.SoloDolo wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? I guess that makes MC a 3rd grade Korean by your logic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ P.S. NesTea has won the most GSL's and hes not a terran. 1. MC ist obviously a 1st grade player. Puma is a scrub, if we compare his and MC's achievements. 2. He should switch to Terran, because the learning curve and the macro is more similar to Protoss. On August 22 2011 08:27 NGrNecris wrote:On August 22 2011 08:11 IVN wrote:On August 22 2011 02:36 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote:
Seriously though, I hope MC just starts playing Terran instead; it would suit his style a lot better, and he'd actually win shit. My thoughts exactly. Why stick with UPtoss and get owned by a 2nd grade Korean? Why not switch to Terran and become the 1st SC2 bonjwa? Guess Flash isn't that great if he practices with a 2nd grade korean... oh wait Where does that urban legend come from? Seriously, LOL? The only evidence we have from Puma's skill (from the BW days), were his games vs Nal_Ra (in the Old Boy series). And even there, he wasnt top of the crop, just better than Nal_Ra, who was in retirement for like 3 years and decided to practice for 3 months and take a shot at a league. puma isnt a scrub... Puma is one of the best terrans in the world. and you can prove that how? has he beaten bomber and mvp and nestea and losira on live tv? he only played in NASL and NASL open bracket for christ sakes. His only korean achievement is GSTL, which is more of a team thing
What does that mean? Team thing? He plays a 1v1 and he looked fucking amazing. You only saw him in the NASL and NASL open bracket. Just because he isn't in the GSL, it doesn't mean he isn't amazing.
Hint: DRG, Sage, and MMA as of 3 weeks ago.
What do we know:
1) All the top BW players wanted to train with him
2) His play looked outstanding in the GSTL, NASL, and IEM
3) He has never gotten the opportunity to play bomber mvp nestea losira on TV. Because he isn't in the GSL.
If he can compete with MC and beat him 7-3 in championship games, then to say he is not good is simply idiotic.
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On August 22 2011 02:42 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 02:39 Stanlot wrote:
Pfft. Fuck this. MC should just play Terran and wipe out the entire SC2 scene. I'd follow him if he raceswitches. What? Thats ridiculous. The only thing overtly broken about terran is this allin, whos to say it wont be patched? then MC will spend months playing catchup learning a new race, without the cushion of a free win build.
EMP is pretty good too.
HuK said MC tore it up as Terran facing a bunch of pros on euro ladder. Beat Nerchio 3-0. I don't think he'd be as far behind as you think. Look at Byun. Was a mediocre toss now a top terran.
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All this PuMa hate is disgusting. You know by saying PuMa is a terrible player makes MC an even worse player because PuMa has beaten MC many times now. And don't use a cop out like "terran imba" because the majority of Protosses in GSL have a 50%+ win rate vs terran.
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On August 22 2011 13:09 Mr.SoloDolo wrote:
All this PuMa hate is disgusting. You know by saying PuMa is a terrible player makes MC an even worse player because PuMa has beaten MC many times now. And don't use a cop out like "terran imba" because the majority of Protosses in GSL have a 50%+ win rate vs terran.
If by 50 percent you mean 28 percent then yes. Check SC2statistics for more info!
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On August 22 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 13:09 Mr.SoloDolo wrote:
All this PuMa hate is disgusting. You know by saying PuMa is a terrible player makes MC an even worse player because PuMa has beaten MC many times now. And don't use a cop out like "terran imba" because the majority of Protosses in GSL have a 50%+ win rate vs terran. If by 50 percent you mean 28 percent then yes. Check SC2statistics for more info!
28% you have a direct link to that? I thought it was 40%?
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On August 22 2011 13:17 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On August 22 2011 13:09 Mr.SoloDolo wrote:
All this PuMa hate is disgusting. You know by saying PuMa is a terrible player makes MC an even worse player because PuMa has beaten MC many times now. And don't use a cop out like "terran imba" because the majority of Protosses in GSL have a 50%+ win rate vs terran. If by 50 percent you mean 28 percent then yes. Check SC2statistics for more info! 28% you have a direct link to that? I thought it was 40%?
Yeah hold on, I have to find it first. Someone else have it ready?
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On August 22 2011 04:25 Stanlot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:23 Jinivus wrote:On August 22 2011 04:18 Stanlot wrote:On August 22 2011 04:17 Jinivus wrote:
Did MC at least win the nerd baller contest? Yes, yes he did :D Did he look happy? I couldn't watch after the 2nd game >.>  ( ah well MC actually made more money than puma if you count the stuff from the contest, so it's ok I guess. I don't know, I didn't get to watch that part :[ Also, I think Puma made a bit more: MC: $3400 + $3300 = $6700 Puma: $300 + 6500 = $6800
That processor alone is worth $1000 on ebay plus a bunch of other shit like SSDs and video cards.
Eitherway its not money that's premier important to MC but 2nd.
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On August 22 2011 13:17 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On August 22 2011 13:09 Mr.SoloDolo wrote:
All this PuMa hate is disgusting. You know by saying PuMa is a terrible player makes MC an even worse player because PuMa has beaten MC many times now. And don't use a cop out like "terran imba" because the majority of Protosses in GSL have a 50%+ win rate vs terran. If by 50 percent you mean 28 percent then yes. Check SC2statistics for more info! 28% you have a direct link to that? I thought it was 40%?
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My fault 38 percent. Not 28.
I am sorry. Thats a big difference also. Ill go back in my hole.
Still its breaking the 40/60 death barrier. Once a matchup breaks that barrier its pretty much broken.
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