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On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him.
I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won.
Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss.
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I think Idra just need to work on his nerves. Whenever he falls behind, he gets so pissed off that he either gg or just wait to loose.
I mean sure, if you are behind and your opponent plays perfectly, you loose, but your opponent might make mistake. At least try and sometimes it'll work.
So sad...
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On February 26 2012 07:18 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won. Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss.
Once again, more excuses from blind fans. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he's been performing HORRIBLY the last two months. Look at the GSL, I already know the excuses that will be used for his Code S performance so I won't even ask, but what are the excuses for his Code A performance?
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On February 26 2012 07:20 bouhko wrote:
I think Idra just need to work on his nerves. Whenever he falls behind, he gets so pissed off that he either gg or just wait to loose.
I mean sure, if you are behind and your opponent plays perfectly, you loose, but your opponent might make mistake. At least try and sometimes it'll work.
So sad...
I also think that he had very high pressures since this was his first show up after korea. That's why he forget to upgrade his units and wasted couple of mutas in the first game and lost because of that. When things settle down, i think he can play more peacefully. But i'm glad that he didn't early gg in any of those games
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On February 26 2012 07:18 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won. Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss.
If IdrA wants to win tournaments he will have to beat the best players, if he does it early on on in the finals doesn't matter. HuK won Orlando had been playing Koreans ALL day. From the beginning to the end and thats why he won not because he played easy matches early then suddenly when it was the winndes bracket HuK got a skill boost.
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On February 26 2012 07:20 bouhko wrote:
I think Idra just need to work on his nerves. Whenever he falls behind, he gets so pissed off that he either gg or just wait to loose.
I mean sure, if you are behind and your opponent plays perfectly, you loose, but your opponent might make mistake. At least try and sometimes it'll work.
So sad...
why bring this up again since it doesnt come into play at all this tourny?
are you trying to say he GGd early agaisnt Oz?
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-.- yea this tourney didnt seem to cause "omg idra suck" as much... i mean anybody coudl lose to Oz and nestea and be happy they were good games
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Is he still gonna be playing at MLG? Or is that it for him?
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On February 26 2012 07:25 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 07:18 VashTS wrote:On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won. Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss. Once again, more excuses from blind fans. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he's been performing HORRIBLY the last two months. Look at the GSL, I already know the excuses that will be used for his Code S performance so I won't even ask, but what are the excuses for his Code A performance?
I like how you insult me for no reason. I never said he was performing well or badly. What excuses am I making for him? What the fuck is your problem, son?
And I've been unable to keep up with GSL, all I remember is that he lost. *shrug*
On February 26 2012 08:58 TheZanthex wrote:
Is he still gonna be playing at MLG? Or is that it for him?
He's out.
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Awww, i hope he does better in the future. /Idrafanforlife. 
When is IEM?
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On February 26 2012 07:25 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 07:18 VashTS wrote:On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won. Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss. Once again, more excuses from blind fans. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he's been performing HORRIBLY the last two months. Look at the GSL, I already know the excuses that will be used for his Code S performance so I won't even ask, but what are the excuses for his Code A performance?
Zerg doesn't beat protoss.
(oops, I mean Idra doesn't beat protoss)
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i bought winter arean the instant they announced Idra is playing next. I think its no coincedence that his games where the first behind the pay wall on both days. How long will he still have this draw :S
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On February 26 2012 07:25 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 07:18 VashTS wrote:On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won. Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss. Once again, more excuses from blind fans. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he's been performing HORRIBLY the last two months. Look at the GSL, I already know the excuses that will be used for his Code S performance so I won't even ask, but what are the excuses for his Code A performance?
wtf are you talking about? He's not using it as an excuse. he clearly said idra was less favoured in the matchup. He's not blind, but just because someone isn't performing at the standards you expect doesn't mean you have to stop being a fan. I guess as a "huge" fan you already know this though.
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On February 26 2012 09:14 MrDudeMan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 07:25 Perseverance wrote:On February 26 2012 07:18 VashTS wrote:On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won. Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss. Once again, more excuses from blind fans. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he's been performing HORRIBLY the last two months. Look at the GSL, I already know the excuses that will be used for his Code S performance so I won't even ask, but what are the excuses for his Code A performance? I guess as a "huge" fan you already know this though.
Some fans just love winning and some fans like the player
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On February 26 2012 07:13 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 07:03 KvltMan wrote:On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. Hardly. IdrA played BW on an insanely high level which is, arguably, harder than the current level of SC2 play. Most of his losses are from his head, rather than his actual gameplay (like overextending against Oz yesterday). He has all the tools to be up there in the top foreigner-position, but he needs to work on his decision-making. Also, how long was current GSL-finalist Genius in a slump? About 6 months before he came out rolling in this season of the GSL. That is just crap. The players are not less skilled than brood war pros. Everybody says BW is harder to play because you don´t have to babysit workers/units in general but nobody seems to consider that the SC players are not sitting around doing nothing with the time they gain through that. Of course we have no Flash atm because of Mvps slump but still... Idra lost against great players, I would not say he was doing well, but neither I would say he was doing bad. He did okay.
I wouldn't want to start a BW vs SC2 argument, but BW is a lot harder than just babysitting units/workers. BW and SC2 are almost incomparable, the skill ceiling in BW is astronomically high compared to SC2.
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On February 26 2012 07:25 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 07:18 VashTS wrote:On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won. Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss. Once again, more excuses from blind fans. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he's been performing HORRIBLY the last two months. Look at the GSL, I already know the excuses that will be used for his Code S performance so I won't even ask, but what are the excuses for his Code A performance?
Sure, the last two months Idra's been doing badly. But the way he lost to Oz is much more .... positive than the way he lost against Avenge.
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On February 26 2012 09:46 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 07:25 Perseverance wrote:On February 26 2012 07:18 VashTS wrote:On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won. Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss. Once again, more excuses from blind fans. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he's been performing HORRIBLY the last two months. Look at the GSL, I already know the excuses that will be used for his Code S performance so I won't even ask, but what are the excuses for his Code A performance? Sure, the last two months Idra's been doing badly. But the way he lost to Oz is much more .... positive than the way he lost against Avenge.
Precisely. The series was excellent.
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On February 26 2012 07:18 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 06:49 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
It seems like Idra's fanbase expected so little out of him, that losing is considered to be doing well. I'm not trying to hate or anything, but this optimism is a little perplexing. I'm all for supporting your favorite player and all but when he drops out of the first round with a record of 1-4 something deeper is going on especially considering his record over the past 4 months. I like Idra and he seems like a decent guy, but I just think that he's being surpassed simple as that. Maybe he's reached his limit and other player are just better than him. I suppose it's called "understanding"? Oz is really good, and ZvP is IdrA's worst matchup. If he played against almost any other player that wasn't Protoss, there was a very high chance of being victorious. He was expected by pretty much everybody to lose, and this was a series that he very, very, very nearly won. Then he played ZvZ against the worlds BEST ZvZ'er, and got beat by a Cheese (+ build order loss) in the first game. Another expected loss.
yup, I am not even an idra fan or anything, but I understand the game well enough to know that losing to world class players is not a big shock. It was expected for him to lose to both players, because they are great. Look at Huk's bracket on the otherhand, much easier. Now if Idra would have lost first round with Huk's bracket, then yes that would have been a miserable tournament for him. It just seems to me that people are trying to instigate, rather than just accept he lost to 2 of the best players and it does not really show idra's lack of skill.
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Idra disappointed us although he still showed some entertaining games imo. SO sad he got kicked out of the tournament so soon, much worst results in contrast to last year's lan events for him.
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