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And why do people get so hot and bothered? I get upset when I see IdrA loose in a bad series, because i friggin LOVE his good series. But one of the reasons I love him is not just because of his mechanics and whatnot... its because he has a damn personality ... he gets upset ... he BM's ... he is honest about his opinion about balance ... etc, etc etc. And yeah he probably tilted in the Alive series, but thats part of the deal. When it comes to "sportsheroes" you follow, you really need that extra flavour in my opinion. To some degree I enjoy watching the best of the best (nestea, mvp etc etc), just because their play is so insane... but those guys are boring as hell, and its nearly impossible to get emotinally involved beyond the: I want my race to win. Because when it comes to most pro's they are so boring and generic you could just be watching players called blue team and red team ... I think everyone will agree they get more involved when they see Whitera win for example, just because he is such a great guy, and a cool personality, you get that feeling where you want to jump up in front of your computer because you see something there.
His personality: delusion, disappointment and evil pleasure behind a 1/4 smile every now and then?. That's not a package personality someone would like if not for enjoying the the moment of his defit (like I do) or the very moment the camera man focus his evil grin.
As much as I enjoy imagining him rage after each no-gg game. I dont like to see such short matches from him, may not be in the top3 WWZ but when on his comfort zone he pulls out really good games. And as a fan of the game, I love it when players give their top game
Last but not least, If he doesn't give a fuck about the showmatch as to throw it in that manner, don't play it! ffs a lot of other Pros would have loved to take his place... THATS what hurt me more from this whole thing.
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On February 14 2012 08:22 DashNair wrote:Show nested quote +
And why do people get so hot and bothered? I get upset when I see IdrA loose in a bad series, because i friggin LOVE his good series. But one of the reasons I love him is not just because of his mechanics and whatnot... its because he has a damn personality ... he gets upset ... he BM's ... he is honest about his opinion about balance ... etc, etc etc. And yeah he probably tilted in the Alive series, but thats part of the deal. When it comes to "sportsheroes" you follow, you really need that extra flavour in my opinion. To some degree I enjoy watching the best of the best (nestea, mvp etc etc), just because their play is so insane... but those guys are boring as hell, and its nearly impossible to get emotinally involved beyond the: I want my race to win. Because when it comes to most pro's they are so boring and generic you could just be watching players called blue team and red team ... I think everyone will agree they get more involved when they see Whitera win for example, just because he is such a great guy, and a cool personality, you get that feeling where you want to jump up in front of your computer because you see something there.
His personality: delusion, disappointment and evil pleasure behind a 1/4 smile every now and then?. That's not a package personality someone would like if not for enjoying the the moment of his defit (like I do) or the very moment the camera man focus his evil grin. As much as I enjoy imagining him rage after each no-gg game. I dont like to see such short matches from him, may not be in the top3 WWZ but when on his comfort zone he pulls out really good games. And as a fan of the game, I love it when players give their top game Last but not least, If he doesn't give a fuck about the showmatch as to throw it in that manner, don't play it! ffs a lot of other Pros would have loved to take his place... THATS what hurt me more from this whole thing.
Now you are just picking certain aspects of how the camera focuses on him to prove a point. You have to agree to that. If not: you cannot admit you are wrong, or you don't actually follow the scene. Can't you admit that IdrA is one of the more outspoken and public players in the community? Please admit to that ... I don't care if you like him or not ... that was not my point at all ... if you like seeing him loose that still proves my point. And just how you describe his small grins kinda proves I am right ... you know his attitude ... when mvp kinda smiles he is just smiling ... you know jack shit about his attitude ...
Edit: you even type that you like seeing him no-gg. But you don't like short matches. Would you even care if korean x no-gg'ed? Probably not... you would not enjoy it. So if you are on the like or dislike side .. you prove my point bitch. And don't act like some self entitled asshole saying you like to see him loose, but you want long games.
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On February 14 2012 06:19 Snotling wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 06:13 Jinsho wrote:
That is easy to say, but therapy is not a cure. Therapy is a tool for self-analysis. Therapy does not help when the person does not want help, or does not need the kind of help therapy provides, or when the person is not receptive to therapy. There is nothing therapy does in principle that reading a self-help book wouldn't be able to do.
Anyways, his mental state is entirely up to him and it's not something that should be discussed openly by people who have no idea about it. Have some decency. why is going to a therapist such a problem? nothing different from any other doctor.... alt lot of big sports teams have them, to help their players if needed he doesnt think hes napoleon, he just needs to stop thinking he deserves to win, and that people must play the way he wants them to. any way he can achieve that would make him a way better player, so he could punish some nerds again^^
Therapists are unlikely to be equipped with the necessary expertise to help IdrA. Their job is to help people with pathologies, which I do not think you imply IdrA to have. Also, you seem to be under the misconception that there is an easy answer to sport psychological problems and that experts in those fields have all the answers - they don't. And, like in most professions, finding someone competent is difficult and sometimes fruitless.
But apart from that, I do not know where all this talk about his mental state is coming from. The majority of people talking are those, that have never competed on the elite level of a sport or have experience with such a situation. At the same time they somehow think to know what is going on in the psyche of someone that DOES compete at that level and judge their behavior against an imaginary standard, that is comprised largely of wishful thinking. IdrA's observable behavior might be idiosyncratic when compared with those competing with him at the elite level. However, this observation does not take other aspects, such as cultural background, personality, individual situation etc., into account, making an evaluation of whether IdrA's state of mind is anything different than that of other programers impossible.
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On February 14 2012 08:29 Ravnemesteren wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:22 DashNair wrote:
And why do people get so hot and bothered? I get upset when I see IdrA loose in a bad series, because i friggin LOVE his good series. But one of the reasons I love him is not just because of his mechanics and whatnot... its because he has a damn personality ... he gets upset ... he BM's ... he is honest about his opinion about balance ... etc, etc etc. And yeah he probably tilted in the Alive series, but thats part of the deal. When it comes to "sportsheroes" you follow, you really need that extra flavour in my opinion. To some degree I enjoy watching the best of the best (nestea, mvp etc etc), just because their play is so insane... but those guys are boring as hell, and its nearly impossible to get emotinally involved beyond the: I want my race to win. Because when it comes to most pro's they are so boring and generic you could just be watching players called blue team and red team ... I think everyone will agree they get more involved when they see Whitera win for example, just because he is such a great guy, and a cool personality, you get that feeling where you want to jump up in front of your computer because you see something there.
His personality: delusion, disappointment and evil pleasure behind a 1/4 smile every now and then?. That's not a package personality someone would like if not for enjoying the the moment of his defit (like I do) or the very moment the camera man focus his evil grin. As much as I enjoy imagining him rage after each no-gg game. I dont like to see such short matches from him, may not be in the top3 WWZ but when on his comfort zone he pulls out really good games. And as a fan of the game, I love it when players give their top game Last but not least, If he doesn't give a fuck about the showmatch as to throw it in that manner, don't play it! ffs a lot of other Pros would have loved to take his place... THATS what hurt me more from this whole thing. Now you are just picking certain aspects of how the camera focuses on him to prove a point. You have to agree to that. If not: you cannot admit you are wrong, or you don't actually follow the scene. Can't you admit that IdrA is one of the more outspoken and public players in the community? Please admit to that ... I don't care if you like him or not ... that was not my point at all ... if you like seeing him loose that still proves my point. And just how you describe his small grins kinda proves I am right ... you know his attitude ... when mvp kinda smiles he is just smiling ... you know jack shit about his attitude ... Edit: you even type that you like seeing him no-gg. But you don't like short matches. Would you even care if korean x no-gg'ed? Probably not... you would not enjoy it. So if you are on the like or dislike side .. you prove my point bitch. And don't act like some self entitled asshole saying you like to see him loose, but you want long games.
I don't get from where your first question is comming (I only quoted the part that didn't agree on it).I would have to be blind to not see this 1k and more pages in his fan club, or the amount of fans he has watching him when he streams (I myself have found to put his stream on background as to hear the dubstep while afk irl around my house).
As I sayed before I like to see him loosing matches where he played his best (I won't go for in-dep of why I like longer no-gg over short no-gg)... half assed no-gg games after 5 mins of playing doesn't interest me.
Edit: Correction over the quote (quoted myself).
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idra needs to baneling bust terrans. 6 pool is not good unless ur taldarim and u get lucky or spot a scout scv
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On February 14 2012 08:48 DashNair wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:29 Ravnemesteren wrote:On February 14 2012 08:22 DashNair wrote:
And why do people get so hot and bothered? I get upset when I see IdrA loose in a bad series, because i friggin LOVE his good series. But one of the reasons I love him is not just because of his mechanics and whatnot... its because he has a damn personality ... he gets upset ... he BM's ... he is honest about his opinion about balance ... etc, etc etc. And yeah he probably tilted in the Alive series, but thats part of the deal. When it comes to "sportsheroes" you follow, you really need that extra flavour in my opinion. To some degree I enjoy watching the best of the best (nestea, mvp etc etc), just because their play is so insane... but those guys are boring as hell, and its nearly impossible to get emotinally involved beyond the: I want my race to win. Because when it comes to most pro's they are so boring and generic you could just be watching players called blue team and red team ... I think everyone will agree they get more involved when they see Whitera win for example, just because he is such a great guy, and a cool personality, you get that feeling where you want to jump up in front of your computer because you see something there.
His personality: delusion, disappointment and evil pleasure behind a 1/4 smile every now and then?. That's not a package personality someone would like if not for enjoying the the moment of his defit (like I do) or the very moment the camera man focus his evil grin. As much as I enjoy imagining him rage after each no-gg game. I dont like to see such short matches from him, may not be in the top3 WWZ but when on his comfort zone he pulls out really good games. And as a fan of the game, I love it when players give their top game Last but not least, If he doesn't give a fuck about the showmatch as to throw it in that manner, don't play it! ffs a lot of other Pros would have loved to take his place... THATS what hurt me more from this whole thing. Now you are just picking certain aspects of how the camera focuses on him to prove a point. You have to agree to that. If not: you cannot admit you are wrong, or you don't actually follow the scene. Can't you admit that IdrA is one of the more outspoken and public players in the community? Please admit to that ... I don't care if you like him or not ... that was not my point at all ... if you like seeing him loose that still proves my point. And just how you describe his small grins kinda proves I am right ... you know his attitude ... when mvp kinda smiles he is just smiling ... you know jack shit about his attitude ... Edit: you even type that you like seeing him no-gg. But you don't like short matches. Would you even care if korean x no-gg'ed? Probably not... you would not enjoy it. So if you are on the like or dislike side .. you prove my point bitch. And don't act like some self entitled asshole saying you like to see him loose, but you want long games. I don't get from where your first question is comming (I only quoted the part that didn't agree on it).I would have to be blind to not see this 1k and more pages in his fan club, or the amount of fans he has watching him when he streams (I myself have found to put his stream on background as to hear the dubstep while afk irl around my house). As I sayed before I like to see him loosing matches where he played his best (I won't go for in-dep of why I like longer no-gg over short no-gg)... half assed no-gg games after 5 mins of playing doesn't interest me. Edit: Correction over the quote (quoted myself).
You don't see where its coming from? You listed up what you got from his personality, as that was what the scene got from him. Now you list up some new things like seeing viewer numbers on a stream etc. You pick certain aspects to make it seem like he isnt a personality. If he WASNT as personality you wouldnt even be posting here. You expect something right? You feel something when he wins or loose or plays? That has to be right. And that is a GOOD thing according to me. If you dont wan't to go into why is not interesting in my opinion.
And don't fool yourself that stream numbers and fan club posts are the thing that makes him famous for you. He does TONS more than most players to put himself in the spotlight. Interviews with interesting content, forum posts with interesting content (all hate or dislike stuff ofcourse)
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OMG is this the IdrA FANCLUB or the IdrA dime-store-psychoanalysis thread?!?!?!?!
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On February 14 2012 08:22 DashNair wrote:
Last but not least, If he doesn't give a fuck about the showmatch as to throw it in that manner, don't play it! ffs a lot of other Pros would have loved to take his place... THATS what hurt me more from this whole thing.
I like how people get mad at IdrA for not caring enough to play good in a showmatch he's already tilted enough to not win, as if he's doing anyone a disservice. I mean, it's not like the NASL lost anything, and it's not like they didn't just pick IdrA because they knew a billion people would tune in because he is IdrA (That's why I watched. I don't give a shit who he's playing I just like to see him play). It's just like the whole Naniwa probe rush in a sense, why bother leading everyone on with half-assed games where he can't play to the best of his ability? He'd just be wasting his and everyone else's time. The games didn't matter for any other reason than 300 extra dollars, (and IdrA "forfeited" his 100 dollar consolation prize so the NASL could look butthurt. (I'm assuming he didn't actually tell the NASL not to pay him", but if that's the case, oopsie) and the only person who lost out was IdrA).
I also like that people who just want to be on the winningest bandwagon are leaving in droves, because that'll leave less people in front of me in the line to get my shit signed.
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On February 14 2012 10:34 KgKris wrote:
OMG is this the IdrA FANCLUB or the IdrA dime-store-psychoanalysis thread?!?!?!?!
I have to ask myself the same question every time I read a page. It is pretty bad when you need to double check the title of the thread that you literally always have a tab open on.
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On February 14 2012 10:34 KgKris wrote:
OMG is this the IdrA FANCLUB or the IdrA dime-store-psychoanalysis thread?!?!?!?!
I think it's both? But I'm not sure. There are way more haters in this fanclub than in any of the others.
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On February 14 2012 11:44 BaconofWar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 10:34 KgKris wrote:
OMG is this the IdrA FANCLUB or the IdrA dime-store-psychoanalysis thread?!?!?!?! I think it's both? But I'm not sure. There are way more haters in this fanclub than in any of the others.
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darn you guys and always making me change the OP. lol
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well its good you circled idra in the OP because i almost got confused with machine
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On February 14 2012 12:08 CeriseCherries wrote:
well its good you circled idra in the OP because i almost got confused with machine
Its almost as if Idra is slowly becoming Machine and Machine is slowly becoming Idra... Seriously.
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On February 14 2012 12:08 CeriseCherries wrote:
well its good you circled idra in the OP because i almost got confused with machine
i added further clarification XD
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On February 14 2012 12:25 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 12:08 CeriseCherries wrote:
well its good you circled idra in the OP because i almost got confused with machine i added further clarification XD
Genius. Also thank you for updating the front post so frequently.
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the pleasure is all mind. btw you guys can expect an update for mardi gras
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2012 18:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 18:03 m4inbrain wrote:On February 09 2012 17:56 bluQ wrote:On February 09 2012 17:53 bubblegumbo wrote:
Monetizing the numerous big Western Tournaments would be a a mistake unless it is at a very reasonable cost. There are about 4-5 big tournaments such as the NASL, MLG, IPL, IEM already and if all of them were to charge $50 for every season, what is going to happen? Multiply that by 6 if we count the GSL and we don't even need to argue anymore.
I dont know what kind of rich family the target audience live in that would gladly pay more than $100 a year for watching SC2 and that's only assuming 1 season per year. We are talking about the budgets of normal fans of a niche industry aging from 14 to early 30s here. Finding more sponsors and buying more adverts while continuing the present model is the most reasonable way to maintain the popularity of this scene. Going PPV in the manner of other hardcore sports only makes sense when there is only one big tournament and league, and even then that would only work in NA, not in other countries that don't have that. Are u kidding me? Did you listen his rant? How often do you go to cinema, drinking senseless, eating at MC if u ahve a full fridge? Dude those perspectices like yours are from guys who got illusioned by the "internet". The life is not for free. You normally CAN'T listen to music everywhere everyday everytime for free. You CAN'T watch movies and series for free everytime everywhere everyday. Did you even know you pay for TV? Well, ever heard about Hartz4? As a german, im sure you know that term. What do you think, its just a german problem? I have to work hard for my money, others just DONT HAVE IT. I dont know what you do for a living, but i have rent to pay, a car to insure, a family to feed. Maybe if you are some decadent child with absolutely no relationship to money, yeah, then its easy to take 25 bucks from somewhere and dump it into crap. I cant (and wont). And yeah i have to pay GEZ from my own money, not the money from my parents (or pirated). Even more reason. Actually, its really ridiculous how many people dont have any sense for money. Mindboggling. you say while arguing that you deserve to be entertained for free
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2012 20:22 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:18 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 09 2012 20:16 neoghaleon55 wrote:
LAWL
MKP sooooo outclassed. This was one of MKP's joke builds that he does after he wins a set. It's an obnoxious habit of his to just take some games not seriously when he definitely should.See his wins at MLG Orlando. I don't think you can call him being outclassed when you're using such an unconventional strategy like this when MKP is entirely capable of playing top tier standard TvZ. when every build you do is weird and gimmicky sometimes they dont work and you look retarded
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2012 21:08 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 21:06 liberate71 wrote:On February 09 2012 21:05 jammedk wrote:On February 09 2012 21:03 Zdrastochye wrote:On February 09 2012 21:02 jojo311 wrote:
didnt Idra say Zergs arent supposed to beat protoss? lol IdrA also said Cruncher was going to be a flash in the pan, and leave suddenly as he rose to fame. Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong. One might say; when every comment you make is weird and gimmicky sometimes they dont work and you look retarded hahahahahaha amazing call 10/10 sir. hey you dumbasses realize nestea, the guy playing, said the same thing? genius badly failing an allin isnt really the best proof to point to for balance.
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I used to be a really big idra fan but I don't know if I can continue to be after seeing him do things like this time and time again. It's one thing to lose while trying your best all the way through- but it's another to give up after two.
Idra gives up on series after he takes early losses almost every time. He uses a really shitty strategy, such as a 6 pool, as his final losses because he feels it doesnt make him look as bad because it looks like he wasn't really trying. This is such a childish thing to do and brings me back to days on the school yard. You start beating someone at something and they just give up and pretend they are joking around to discredit your win, and make them feel like if they were "trying" they could have won.
I think DeMusLiM as well as others show that if you go down 2-0 don't give up because coming back does happen, but apparently not for Idra because he never tries. This is proof repeated exposure to Dubstep melts your brain.
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