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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
can neither of you actually see the difference between what Alive(Very viable well executed rushes) and what Idra did(Half assed tossed away 6 pool rushes.)? It's not that he cheesed its how he did. He had clearly given up and clearly didn't give a shit. Add that with the BM and No GG's I fully understand their decision. This all being said I hope IdrA can get his shit together mentally, Foreigners could use some hope..... | ||
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Morrisson
289 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:00 Stiluz wrote: When Alive cheeses it's clever play to get into IdrA's head, when IdrA cheeses it's bad sportsmanship... Wtf Xeris? you really, REALLY, dont see the difference? like, REALLY? oh god... | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Anyways, his mental state is entirely up to him and it's not something that should be discussed openly by people who have no idea about it. Have some decency. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On February 14 2012 05:55 Slardar wrote: Compare this to what you just quoted above from Xeris. I have no evidence it's negatively affecting him? Please consider his tournament results recently, more specifically trends or factors in series which IdrA loses. I find it rarely he gets thoroughly defeated in a BoX series or tournament as opposed to him "beating himself". He usually gets put on tilt from how the game is being played out, then performs significantly less than his capability. If you're trying to argue having a negative mindset doesn't affect your gameplay then I can't comment on that. . That's true, it's hard to deny Idra's attitude causes him problems, but I honestly think we know too little of how he practices to say that it negatively affects his gameplay. I mean, he wouldn't have lost to MMA and HuK in those famous MLG games if not for his attitude, but I simply don't think it's a mental problem that separates him from the aLive's of this world. I think he is practicing, as he has always done, and the reason he does not have any success lately is just because of the strength of his competition. It might be he needs more time in Korea or it could be true there simply are too many Koreans better and more talented than him by now, whatever is true, I think that if it was so easy as a change in mentality he would have done so by now, which to me means it's not a flattering thing to say about him to imply it's all psychological that he's losing games. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Oh and as Idra once said in an interview, "haters aren't worth time". ^^ | ||
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:13 Jinsho wrote: That is easy to say, but therapy is not a cure. Therapy is a tool for self-analysis. Therapy does not help when the person does not want help, or does not need the kind of help therapy provides, or when the person is not receptive to therapy. There is nothing therapy does in principle that reading a self-help book wouldn't be able to do. Anyways, his mental state is entirely up to him and it's not something that should be discussed openly by people who have no idea about it. Have some decency. why is going to a therapist such a problem? nothing different from any other doctor.... alt lot of big sports teams have them, to help their players if needed he doesnt think hes napoleon, he just needs to stop thinking he deserves to win, and that people must play the way he wants them to. any way he can achieve that would make him a way better player, so he could punish some nerds again^^ | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:17 Grumbels wrote: That's true, it's hard to deny Idra's attitude causes him problems, but I honestly think we know too little of how he practices to say that it negatively affects his gameplay. I mean, he wouldn't have lost to MMA and HuK in those famous MLG games if not for his attitude, but I simply don't think it's a mental problem that separates him from the aLive's of this world. I think he is practicing, as he has always done, and the reason he does not have any success lately is just because of the strength of his competition. It might be he needs more time in Korea or it could be true there simply are too many Koreans better and more talented than him by now, whatever is true, I think that if it was so easy as a change in mentality he would have done so by now, which to me means it's not a flattering thing to say about him to imply it's all psychological that he's losing games. Well like I said, getting put on tilt quickly directly effects your game-play because you're playing significantly WORSE. Or in some cases abandon all hope of the game quicker than you should (that overrides game-play). I agree that changing his mindset won't all of a sudden make him phenomenal of a player. I think it should be step 1, or the most important step in his process of becoming a much much better player. Sorry if I implied otherwise, not intended. | ||
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nymfaw
Norway430 Posts
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Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
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AcesAnoka
Belgium262 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:32 nymfaw wrote: idra in starcraft 2 is like Fernando Torres in football This is such a good comparison. | ||
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nazR
France158 Posts
But Idra doesn't dive. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:32 nymfaw wrote: idra in starcraft 2 is like Fernando Torres in football Or Hatem Ben Arfa. | ||
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MarcusRife
343 Posts
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ZessiM
United Kingdom232 Posts
wtf I love Ben Arfa, I wish he would start more at Newcastle QQ Uh, GO IDRA | ||
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Fortii
Germany760 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
Looking forward to future Idra games anyways, its always entertaining at least  | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:00 Stiluz wrote: When Alive cheeses it's clever play to get into IdrA's head, when IdrA cheeses it's bad sportsmanship... Wtf Xeris? aLive would have said GG if he lost with his "cheese" whereas Idra never does going 1rax FE into reactor hellion isnt really cheese though and double 11rax is pretty common and much less all-in than 6pooling. | ||
Golbat
United States499 Posts
I know he got his ass booted right out the GSL, but I think he can make it through code B, and I think he'll do well in the MLG winter arena. IDRA FIGHTING | ||
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Ravnemesteren
224 Posts
On February 14 2012 07:23 Pulimuli wrote: aLive would have said GG if he lost with his "cheese" whereas Idra never does going 1rax FE into reactor hellion isnt really cheese though and double 11rax is pretty common and much less all-in than 6pooling. Seriously? Do ANY of you still call IdrA not gg'ing for BM? Do you still get surprised? He only does it when he has to, or sometimes when he looses to a friend. And not calling 2 fact hellion rush for cheese is stretching it... you are sooo far behind if a proper response is up, so you are just counting on it not being scouted. 11/11 rax is also cheese in my opinion, its quite safe compared to cheese from the other races (well that goes for nearly all terran cheeses hehe), but you cant compare it in that way. And why do people get so hot and bothered? I get upset when I see IdrA loose in a bad series, because i friggin LOVE his good series. But one of the reasons I love him is not just because of his mechanics and whatnot... its because he has a damn personality ... he gets upset ... he BM's ... he is honest about his opinion about balance ... etc, etc etc. And yeah he probably tilted in the Alive series, but thats part of the deal. When it comes to "sportsheroes" you follow, you really need that extra flavour in my opinion. To some degree I enjoy watching the best of the best (nestea, mvp etc etc), just because their play is so insane... but those guys are boring as hell, and its nearly impossible to get emotinally involved beyond the: I want my race to win. Because when it comes to most pro's they are so boring and generic you could just be watching players called blue team and red team ... I think everyone will agree they get more involved when they see Whitera win for example, just because he is such a great guy, and a cool personality, you get that feeling where you want to jump up in front of your computer because you see something there. I don't know what I am saying anymore (a bit tipsy). I just think its weird that so many here have this weird attitude towards every player having to conforming to the korean way: I will do my best every game, be mannered and polite (meaning nothing more than glhf and gg), never bm, never react like a real person does sometimes, always answer interviews the same way (will train more, hope to show more good games). Pfft sometimes I think all the whiners on TL should get some bots with perfect micro to play each other instead of watching real humans ... they apparently want that more. Anyways. Hope alot of you want to see IdrA kick ass at MLG instead of generic korean terran nr 3. | ||
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