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Was cheering for you all weekend  You're playing extremely well these days!
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On October 17 2011 19:07 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 10:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 09:48 taLbuk wrote:On October 17 2011 09:45 Hydra3 wrote:
OK there were 2, I repeat, 2 games in the finals of this huge tournament. Something is wrong with mlg's system Yup, so anti-climactic, i wouldn't call it unfair though, but very underwhelming In my opinion it's unfair. When you win pool play, you get into the winner bracket (while all the rest are in looser bracket), you only need a limited number of games to win the actual tournament (basically only two best of 3 to be in the final... look at HuK's run... compare it to IdrA's...) and you get a huge advantage on almost every one with extended series. So it's unfair because the players who win a lot of game in their groups get an advantage? You prefer the IPL format where the groups don't matter at all? Or the IEM format where some of the top players cna be eliminated on Day 1? MLG's format is great. Yes, it wasn't cool that he had to play 13 games in a roll on stage but in any other tournament he would have been eliminated at this stage after losing a bo3 vs MKP and a bo3 vs Boxer. MLG should improve their scheduling, yes, but if it wasn't for all the whiniers who kept complaining about downtime and IPL being so awesome for showing that top 10 video about 50 times over the course of the weekend, MLG would have probably given Idra a break. Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 14:09 schimmetje wrote:On October 17 2011 13:11 cold- wrote:On October 17 2011 12:47 Veritask wrote:On October 17 2011 10:21 LittleAtari wrote:On October 17 2011 10:13 cold- wrote:
idra's probably unique fault in his play against protoss is that his composition is not effective. Idra never relies on zerglings when they are one of the scariest units in the game in mass numbers with nice upgrades.
to beat mass stalkers (what MC used against him today), he can simply max on zerglings with adrenal and nice upgrades, 3-4 infestors with neural if there are colossi and NOT MORE than 10 roaches. no need to be on creep if there are adrenal glands and nice upgrades, however do not move out before upgrades finish. easy win against mass stalkers.
hope idra sees this. yea because he's going to take advice from a random comment on the internet over his own instincts and the advice of pro players that he has access to. Anywho, Idra is going to Korea soon and he has a Code A spot. Cant wait to see him tear through the GSL  Has this been confirmed yet? I remember Idra saying a few mlgs ago that he wouldn't take a code A spot Well if IdrA does see this I hope he gives it a try. I'm pretty sure he can make it work. The only reason I posted that is because I want him to succeed. Labeling me as a random kinda hurt my feelings ill get over it though  The context when he made that remark was completely different though. That was him speaking from a US-base. If I'm not mistaken he did recently say that when he returned to Korea he'd take GSL seriously as well and the only way to get into Code S without an MLG spot is Code A. Not that I doubt he could qualify for that on his own, as he was one of the few to always do without breaking much of a sweat and he's playing damn good. Still, why take the risk? On October 17 2011 13:14 InsidiA wrote:
So the new EG Announcement.
Will probably hugely effect IdrA's career. Yeeah.. or not, this is EG after all. They like to do the stupid hype thing. You'd think two of their players doing amazing at a pretty stacked tournament'd be enough, but nooo.. ^^ Just posted this in the announcement thread: Show nested quote +Uh, guys.... It's blatantly obvious, isn't it? There are 25 stars on this map, one of which is Hydra - and a lot of people think that this is where Idra's name comes from. There are also 25 players on EG at the moment (9 for SC, 5 for CS, 2 for Quake, 5 for Street Fighter, 4 for WoW). It's going to be something about content about their players, not training houses and stuff.
You don't know you stuff man...
The group stage in the IPL format are not useless : you get seeded AND you get a nice bonus price pool of 1k $ for being first and 500 $ for the second : it's just another tournament in the tournament.
While in the MLG format, a guy like Huk (winner) has gone 4-1 in the group stage, getting in final after 2 best 3 (against MKP and TheStc) while a guy like IdrA, 4-1 in the group stage, had to win against : Boxer, HongunPrime, Bomber, MC, TheStc to go in the final.
Seriously, how is it fair in any way ?
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On October 18 2011 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 19:07 xtfftc wrote:On October 17 2011 10:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 09:48 taLbuk wrote:On October 17 2011 09:45 Hydra3 wrote:
OK there were 2, I repeat, 2 games in the finals of this huge tournament. Something is wrong with mlg's system Yup, so anti-climactic, i wouldn't call it unfair though, but very underwhelming In my opinion it's unfair. When you win pool play, you get into the winner bracket (while all the rest are in looser bracket), you only need a limited number of games to win the actual tournament (basically only two best of 3 to be in the final... look at HuK's run... compare it to IdrA's...) and you get a huge advantage on almost every one with extended series. So it's unfair because the players who win a lot of game in their groups get an advantage? You prefer the IPL format where the groups don't matter at all? Or the IEM format where some of the top players cna be eliminated on Day 1? MLG's format is great. Yes, it wasn't cool that he had to play 13 games in a roll on stage but in any other tournament he would have been eliminated at this stage after losing a bo3 vs MKP and a bo3 vs Boxer. MLG should improve their scheduling, yes, but if it wasn't for all the whiniers who kept complaining about downtime and IPL being so awesome for showing that top 10 video about 50 times over the course of the weekend, MLG would have probably given Idra a break. On October 17 2011 14:09 schimmetje wrote:On October 17 2011 13:11 cold- wrote:On October 17 2011 12:47 Veritask wrote:On October 17 2011 10:21 LittleAtari wrote:On October 17 2011 10:13 cold- wrote:
idra's probably unique fault in his play against protoss is that his composition is not effective. Idra never relies on zerglings when they are one of the scariest units in the game in mass numbers with nice upgrades.
to beat mass stalkers (what MC used against him today), he can simply max on zerglings with adrenal and nice upgrades, 3-4 infestors with neural if there are colossi and NOT MORE than 10 roaches. no need to be on creep if there are adrenal glands and nice upgrades, however do not move out before upgrades finish. easy win against mass stalkers.
hope idra sees this. yea because he's going to take advice from a random comment on the internet over his own instincts and the advice of pro players that he has access to. Anywho, Idra is going to Korea soon and he has a Code A spot. Cant wait to see him tear through the GSL Has this been confirmed yet? I remember Idra saying a few mlgs ago that he wouldn't take a code A spot Well if IdrA does see this I hope he gives it a try. I'm pretty sure he can make it work. The only reason I posted that is because I want him to succeed. Labeling me as a random kinda hurt my feelings ill get over it though The context when he made that remark was completely different though. That was him speaking from a US-base. If I'm not mistaken he did recently say that when he returned to Korea he'd take GSL seriously as well and the only way to get into Code S without an MLG spot is Code A. Not that I doubt he could qualify for that on his own, as he was one of the few to always do without breaking much of a sweat and he's playing damn good. Still, why take the risk? On October 17 2011 13:14 InsidiA wrote:
So the new EG Announcement.
Will probably hugely effect IdrA's career. Yeeah.. or not, this is EG after all. They like to do the stupid hype thing. You'd think two of their players doing amazing at a pretty stacked tournament'd be enough, but nooo.. ^^ Just posted this in the announcement thread: Uh, guys.... It's blatantly obvious, isn't it? There are 25 stars on this map, one of which is Hydra - and a lot of people think that this is where Idra's name comes from. There are also 25 players on EG at the moment (9 for SC, 5 for CS, 2 for Quake, 5 for Street Fighter, 4 for WoW). It's going to be something about content about their players, not training houses and stuff. You don't know you stuff man... The group stage in the IPL format are not useless : you get seeded AND you get a nice bonus price pool of 1k $ for being first : it's just another tournament in the tournament. While in the MLG format, a guy like Huk (winner) has gone 4-1 in the group stage, getting in final after 2 best 3 (against MKP and TheStc) while a guy like IdrA, 4-1 in the group stage, had to win against : Boxer, HongunPrime, Bomber, MC, TheStc to go in the final. Seriously, how is it fair in any way ?
how its fair that boxer won 3-1 playing amazing on metalopolis and lost 3-4 because of bad rules ;((
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I love the improvement of Idras playstyle!!! He is flanking A LOT more against sieged Terran armies, which makes a big difference. Also I like the standard macro hatch before or at the same time of the third.
The only thing i think he still needs to improve is, that after a big engagement he loses, he has to "pool" his reinforcements better and not attack until he has enough units to engage again. Better lose an expo, than lose all your reinforcements and lose the expo a bit later.
My favourite player by far!!
The first time I saw an Idra match on Huskys channel on youtube I was mad at Husky for not calling Idra an asshole after a certain game vs Drewbie..... xD.
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On October 17 2011 19:09 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 11:37 ThaZenith wrote:
I'm not sure anyone else knows this, so I'll post it.
There's no group stage in Providence. Because IdrA is #1 seed , he'll be seeded directly into the Winners Championship bracket Ro8.
So basically, he starts so far in he could win it all after winning 4 Bo3's. (or BoWhatevers, not 100% sure if they go higher in providence) But then again every Bo3 is against people of MC callibur or better, so it won't be a walk in the park. ^^
Not Ro8 but Round 4. Idra has top 12 guaranteed, not top 8. Same for Huk, Naniwa and MMA. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings
wow he beat huk by only 10 pts holy shit..if only huk went to columbus or naniwa/MMA went to more mlgs.
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On October 18 2011 02:04 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 19:07 xtfftc wrote:On October 17 2011 10:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 09:48 taLbuk wrote:On October 17 2011 09:45 Hydra3 wrote:
OK there were 2, I repeat, 2 games in the finals of this huge tournament. Something is wrong with mlg's system Yup, so anti-climactic, i wouldn't call it unfair though, but very underwhelming In my opinion it's unfair. When you win pool play, you get into the winner bracket (while all the rest are in looser bracket), you only need a limited number of games to win the actual tournament (basically only two best of 3 to be in the final... look at HuK's run... compare it to IdrA's...) and you get a huge advantage on almost every one with extended series. So it's unfair because the players who win a lot of game in their groups get an advantage? You prefer the IPL format where the groups don't matter at all? Or the IEM format where some of the top players cna be eliminated on Day 1? MLG's format is great. Yes, it wasn't cool that he had to play 13 games in a roll on stage but in any other tournament he would have been eliminated at this stage after losing a bo3 vs MKP and a bo3 vs Boxer. MLG should improve their scheduling, yes, but if it wasn't for all the whiniers who kept complaining about downtime and IPL being so awesome for showing that top 10 video about 50 times over the course of the weekend, MLG would have probably given Idra a break. On October 17 2011 14:09 schimmetje wrote:On October 17 2011 13:11 cold- wrote:On October 17 2011 12:47 Veritask wrote:On October 17 2011 10:21 LittleAtari wrote:On October 17 2011 10:13 cold- wrote:
idra's probably unique fault in his play against protoss is that his composition is not effective. Idra never relies on zerglings when they are one of the scariest units in the game in mass numbers with nice upgrades.
to beat mass stalkers (what MC used against him today), he can simply max on zerglings with adrenal and nice upgrades, 3-4 infestors with neural if there are colossi and NOT MORE than 10 roaches. no need to be on creep if there are adrenal glands and nice upgrades, however do not move out before upgrades finish. easy win against mass stalkers.
hope idra sees this. yea because he's going to take advice from a random comment on the internet over his own instincts and the advice of pro players that he has access to. Anywho, Idra is going to Korea soon and he has a Code A spot. Cant wait to see him tear through the GSL Has this been confirmed yet? I remember Idra saying a few mlgs ago that he wouldn't take a code A spot Well if IdrA does see this I hope he gives it a try. I'm pretty sure he can make it work. The only reason I posted that is because I want him to succeed. Labeling me as a random kinda hurt my feelings ill get over it though The context when he made that remark was completely different though. That was him speaking from a US-base. If I'm not mistaken he did recently say that when he returned to Korea he'd take GSL seriously as well and the only way to get into Code S without an MLG spot is Code A. Not that I doubt he could qualify for that on his own, as he was one of the few to always do without breaking much of a sweat and he's playing damn good. Still, why take the risk? On October 17 2011 13:14 InsidiA wrote:
So the new EG Announcement.
Will probably hugely effect IdrA's career. Yeeah.. or not, this is EG after all. They like to do the stupid hype thing. You'd think two of their players doing amazing at a pretty stacked tournament'd be enough, but nooo.. ^^ Just posted this in the announcement thread: Uh, guys.... It's blatantly obvious, isn't it? There are 25 stars on this map, one of which is Hydra - and a lot of people think that this is where Idra's name comes from. There are also 25 players on EG at the moment (9 for SC, 5 for CS, 2 for Quake, 5 for Street Fighter, 4 for WoW). It's going to be something about content about their players, not training houses and stuff. You don't know you stuff man... The group stage in the IPL format are not useless : you get seeded AND you get a nice bonus price pool of 1k $ for being first : it's just another tournament in the tournament. While in the MLG format, a guy like Huk (winner) has gone 4-1 in the group stage, getting in final after 2 best 3 (against MKP and TheStc) while a guy like IdrA, 4-1 in the group stage, had to win against : Boxer, HongunPrime, Bomber, MC, TheStc to go in the final. Seriously, how is it fair in any way ? how its fair that boxer won 3-1 playing amazing on metalopolis and lost 3-4 because of bad rules ;((
LOL. The key part is "on metalopolis". You really think he played great overall ? :D
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Great weekend, very enjoyable to watch all the close games and series! Keep it up!
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On October 18 2011 01:24 ThaZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 19:09 xtfftc wrote:On October 17 2011 11:37 ThaZenith wrote:
I'm not sure anyone else knows this, so I'll post it.
There's no group stage in Providence. Because IdrA is #1 seed , he'll be seeded directly into the Winners Championship bracket Ro8.
So basically, he starts so far in he could win it all after winning 4 Bo3's. (or BoWhatevers, not 100% sure if they go higher in providence) But then again every Bo3 is against people of MC callibur or better, so it won't be a walk in the park. ^^
Not Ro8 but Round 4. Idra has top 12 guaranteed, not top 8. Same for Huk, Naniwa and MMA. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings I didn't say he was guaranteed top 8. Ro8 in the winners means you're top 12. And yes I realize you can call it Round 4 too. No reason to point out there's a second name for it, I wasn't exactly wrong.
Yep, I was wrong. I read Ro8 as Round 8 for some reason, which is usually the very first round of the Championship Bracket for MLG. Round 4 is round of 8 for the Winners Bracket and round of 12 overall.
Thinking about it it's a bit sad that so many players will travel for 2 Bo3s and then be eliminated.
In other news, for those who haven't been paying enough attention, ESWC is coming up this weekend. Idra, Stephano, Nerchio, Mana, MC, MKP, Thorzain, Strelok, Socke, Sjow and quite a few others.
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On October 18 2011 02:23 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 01:24 ThaZenith wrote:On October 17 2011 19:09 xtfftc wrote:On October 17 2011 11:37 ThaZenith wrote:
I'm not sure anyone else knows this, so I'll post it.
There's no group stage in Providence. Because IdrA is #1 seed , he'll be seeded directly into the Winners Championship bracket Ro8.
So basically, he starts so far in he could win it all after winning 4 Bo3's. (or BoWhatevers, not 100% sure if they go higher in providence) But then again every Bo3 is against people of MC callibur or better, so it won't be a walk in the park. ^^
Not Ro8 but Round 4. Idra has top 12 guaranteed, not top 8. Same for Huk, Naniwa and MMA. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings I didn't say he was guaranteed top 8. Ro8 in the winners means you're top 12. And yes I realize you can call it Round 4 too. No reason to point out there's a second name for it, I wasn't exactly wrong. Yep, I was wrong. I read Ro8 as Round 8 for some reason, which is usually the very first round of the Championship Bracket for MLG. Round 4 is round of 8 for the Winners Bracket and round of 12 overall. Thinking about it it's a bit sad that so many players will travel for 2 Bo3s and then be eliminated. In other news, for those who haven't been paying enough attention, ESWC is coming up this weekend. Idra, Stephano, Nerchio, Mana, MC, MKP, Thorzain, Strelok, Socke, Sjow and quite a few others.
And axslav
Great job at MLG IdrA! Was cheering hard for you son. Glad your doing a lot better lately. Can't wait for ESWC this coming weekend. Hope you wreck face.
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On October 18 2011 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 19:07 xtfftc wrote:On October 17 2011 10:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 09:48 taLbuk wrote:On October 17 2011 09:45 Hydra3 wrote:
OK there were 2, I repeat, 2 games in the finals of this huge tournament. Something is wrong with mlg's system Yup, so anti-climactic, i wouldn't call it unfair though, but very underwhelming In my opinion it's unfair. When you win pool play, you get into the winner bracket (while all the rest are in looser bracket), you only need a limited number of games to win the actual tournament (basically only two best of 3 to be in the final... look at HuK's run... compare it to IdrA's...) and you get a huge advantage on almost every one with extended series. So it's unfair because the players who win a lot of game in their groups get an advantage? You prefer the IPL format where the groups don't matter at all? Or the IEM format where some of the top players cna be eliminated on Day 1? MLG's format is great. Yes, it wasn't cool that he had to play 13 games in a roll on stage but in any other tournament he would have been eliminated at this stage after losing a bo3 vs MKP and a bo3 vs Boxer. MLG should improve their scheduling, yes, but if it wasn't for all the whiniers who kept complaining about downtime and IPL being so awesome for showing that top 10 video about 50 times over the course of the weekend, MLG would have probably given Idra a break. On October 17 2011 14:09 schimmetje wrote:On October 17 2011 13:11 cold- wrote:On October 17 2011 12:47 Veritask wrote:On October 17 2011 10:21 LittleAtari wrote:On October 17 2011 10:13 cold- wrote:
idra's probably unique fault in his play against protoss is that his composition is not effective. Idra never relies on zerglings when they are one of the scariest units in the game in mass numbers with nice upgrades.
to beat mass stalkers (what MC used against him today), he can simply max on zerglings with adrenal and nice upgrades, 3-4 infestors with neural if there are colossi and NOT MORE than 10 roaches. no need to be on creep if there are adrenal glands and nice upgrades, however do not move out before upgrades finish. easy win against mass stalkers.
hope idra sees this. yea because he's going to take advice from a random comment on the internet over his own instincts and the advice of pro players that he has access to. Anywho, Idra is going to Korea soon and he has a Code A spot. Cant wait to see him tear through the GSL Has this been confirmed yet? I remember Idra saying a few mlgs ago that he wouldn't take a code A spot Well if IdrA does see this I hope he gives it a try. I'm pretty sure he can make it work. The only reason I posted that is because I want him to succeed. Labeling me as a random kinda hurt my feelings ill get over it though The context when he made that remark was completely different though. That was him speaking from a US-base. If I'm not mistaken he did recently say that when he returned to Korea he'd take GSL seriously as well and the only way to get into Code S without an MLG spot is Code A. Not that I doubt he could qualify for that on his own, as he was one of the few to always do without breaking much of a sweat and he's playing damn good. Still, why take the risk? On October 17 2011 13:14 InsidiA wrote:
So the new EG Announcement.
Will probably hugely effect IdrA's career. Yeeah.. or not, this is EG after all. They like to do the stupid hype thing. You'd think two of their players doing amazing at a pretty stacked tournament'd be enough, but nooo.. ^^ Just posted this in the announcement thread: Uh, guys.... It's blatantly obvious, isn't it? There are 25 stars on this map, one of which is Hydra - and a lot of people think that this is where Idra's name comes from. There are also 25 players on EG at the moment (9 for SC, 5 for CS, 2 for Quake, 5 for Street Fighter, 4 for WoW). It's going to be something about content about their players, not training houses and stuff. You don't know you stuff man... The group stage in the IPL format are not useless : you get seeded AND you get a nice bonus price pool of 1k $ for being first and 500 $ for the second : it's just another tournament in the tournament. While in the MLG format, a guy like Huk (winner) has gone 4-1 in the group stage, getting in final after 2 best 3 (against MKP and TheStc) while a guy like IdrA, 4-1 in the group stage, had to win against : Boxer, HongunPrime, Bomber, MC, TheStc to go in the final. Seriously, how is it fair in any way ?
lol at the seeding. Many of the pros and the viewers called IPL out for how pointless the group stage was, which was the reason why they decided to offer the $1000/$500 bonus in the last moment. Nevertheless, a lot of the players opted to forfeit their matches.
Huk won vs his direct oponent for the first place, July, while Idra lost vs MKP. If this was IPL, Idra would have been eliminated after losing two games versus Boxer anyway. And the group stage works the same way at every single tournament - from the football World Cup to IPL 3.
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Oh, and someone posted this on /r/sc:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H0cBH.png)
Idra vs MC again, so awesome :D
+ Show Spoiler +I don't actually see MC eliminating Bomber anytime soon but at least the brackets are favourable
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On October 18 2011 02:36 xtfftc wrote:Oh, and someone posted this on /r/sc: Idra vs MC again, so awesome :D + Show Spoiler +I don't actually see MC eliminating Bomber anytime soon but at least the brackets are favourable
i thought the number 1 seed was supposed to be an advantage  look at huks bracket or naniwas
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On October 18 2011 02:31 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 19:07 xtfftc wrote:On October 17 2011 10:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 09:48 taLbuk wrote:On October 17 2011 09:45 Hydra3 wrote:
OK there were 2, I repeat, 2 games in the finals of this huge tournament. Something is wrong with mlg's system Yup, so anti-climactic, i wouldn't call it unfair though, but very underwhelming In my opinion it's unfair. When you win pool play, you get into the winner bracket (while all the rest are in looser bracket), you only need a limited number of games to win the actual tournament (basically only two best of 3 to be in the final... look at HuK's run... compare it to IdrA's...) and you get a huge advantage on almost every one with extended series. So it's unfair because the players who win a lot of game in their groups get an advantage? You prefer the IPL format where the groups don't matter at all? Or the IEM format where some of the top players cna be eliminated on Day 1? MLG's format is great. Yes, it wasn't cool that he had to play 13 games in a roll on stage but in any other tournament he would have been eliminated at this stage after losing a bo3 vs MKP and a bo3 vs Boxer. MLG should improve their scheduling, yes, but if it wasn't for all the whiniers who kept complaining about downtime and IPL being so awesome for showing that top 10 video about 50 times over the course of the weekend, MLG would have probably given Idra a break. On October 17 2011 14:09 schimmetje wrote:On October 17 2011 13:11 cold- wrote:On October 17 2011 12:47 Veritask wrote:On October 17 2011 10:21 LittleAtari wrote:On October 17 2011 10:13 cold- wrote:
idra's probably unique fault in his play against protoss is that his composition is not effective. Idra never relies on zerglings when they are one of the scariest units in the game in mass numbers with nice upgrades.
to beat mass stalkers (what MC used against him today), he can simply max on zerglings with adrenal and nice upgrades, 3-4 infestors with neural if there are colossi and NOT MORE than 10 roaches. no need to be on creep if there are adrenal glands and nice upgrades, however do not move out before upgrades finish. easy win against mass stalkers.
hope idra sees this. yea because he's going to take advice from a random comment on the internet over his own instincts and the advice of pro players that he has access to. Anywho, Idra is going to Korea soon and he has a Code A spot. Cant wait to see him tear through the GSL Has this been confirmed yet? I remember Idra saying a few mlgs ago that he wouldn't take a code A spot Well if IdrA does see this I hope he gives it a try. I'm pretty sure he can make it work. The only reason I posted that is because I want him to succeed. Labeling me as a random kinda hurt my feelings ill get over it though The context when he made that remark was completely different though. That was him speaking from a US-base. If I'm not mistaken he did recently say that when he returned to Korea he'd take GSL seriously as well and the only way to get into Code S without an MLG spot is Code A. Not that I doubt he could qualify for that on his own, as he was one of the few to always do without breaking much of a sweat and he's playing damn good. Still, why take the risk? On October 17 2011 13:14 InsidiA wrote:
So the new EG Announcement.
Will probably hugely effect IdrA's career. Yeeah.. or not, this is EG after all. They like to do the stupid hype thing. You'd think two of their players doing amazing at a pretty stacked tournament'd be enough, but nooo.. ^^ Just posted this in the announcement thread: Uh, guys.... It's blatantly obvious, isn't it? There are 25 stars on this map, one of which is Hydra - and a lot of people think that this is where Idra's name comes from. There are also 25 players on EG at the moment (9 for SC, 5 for CS, 2 for Quake, 5 for Street Fighter, 4 for WoW). It's going to be something about content about their players, not training houses and stuff. You don't know you stuff man... The group stage in the IPL format are not useless : you get seeded AND you get a nice bonus price pool of 1k $ for being first and 500 $ for the second : it's just another tournament in the tournament. While in the MLG format, a guy like Huk (winner) has gone 4-1 in the group stage, getting in final after 2 best 3 (against MKP and TheStc) while a guy like IdrA, 4-1 in the group stage, had to win against : Boxer, HongunPrime, Bomber, MC, TheStc to go in the final. Seriously, how is it fair in any way ? lol at the seeding. Many of the pros and the viewers called IPL out for how pointless the group stage was, which was the reason why they decided to offer the $1000/$500 bonus in the last moment. Nevertheless, a lot of the players opted to forfeit their matches. Huk won vs his direct oponent for the first place, July, while Idra lost vs MKP. If this was IPL, Idra would have been eliminated after losing two games versus Boxer anyway. And the group stage works the same way at every single tournament - from the football World Cup to IPL 3.
So because you won against your direct opponent, while the other did not, you have 2 less bo3 to win to go to the final and one joker (loser bracket) ?
You can argue all you want, it's not fair in my point of view.
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On October 18 2011 02:36 xtfftc wrote:Oh, and someone posted this on /r/sc: Idra vs MC again, so awesome :D + Show Spoiler +I don't actually see MC eliminating Bomber anytime soon but at least the brackets are favourable
This looks really good. Basically Idra has to win 4 matches in a row to take first place. Of course, every match will be hard ... can Idra win 4 in a row against Bomber/MC, MMA, Naniwa, and Huk/Puma? That will be a tough run, but definitely not impossible after the last 3 weeks.
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On October 18 2011 01:42 Chill wrote:Was cheering for you all weekend You're playing extremely well these days!
Chill <3
Hope to see Some more Epic games from idrA in MLG Providence
IdrA fighting!
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On October 18 2011 01:42 Chill wrote:Was cheering for you all weekend You're playing extremely well these days!
CHILL GET O...oh u were cheering! Awesome
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On October 18 2011 02:59 ziggurat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 02:36 xtfftc wrote:Oh, and someone posted this on /r/sc: Idra vs MC again, so awesome :D + Show Spoiler +I don't actually see MC eliminating Bomber anytime soon but at least the brackets are favourable This looks really good. Basically Idra has to win 4 matches in a row to take first place. Of course, every match will be hard ... can Idra win 4 in a row against Bomber/MC, MMA, Naniwa, and Huk/Puma? That will be a tough run, but definitely not impossible after the last 3 weeks.
He has to win four in a roll or six if he loses one.
On October 18 2011 02:49 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 02:31 xtfftc wrote:On October 18 2011 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 19:07 xtfftc wrote:On October 17 2011 10:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 09:48 taLbuk wrote:On October 17 2011 09:45 Hydra3 wrote:
OK there were 2, I repeat, 2 games in the finals of this huge tournament. Something is wrong with mlg's system Yup, so anti-climactic, i wouldn't call it unfair though, but very underwhelming In my opinion it's unfair. When you win pool play, you get into the winner bracket (while all the rest are in looser bracket), you only need a limited number of games to win the actual tournament (basically only two best of 3 to be in the final... look at HuK's run... compare it to IdrA's...) and you get a huge advantage on almost every one with extended series. So it's unfair because the players who win a lot of game in their groups get an advantage? You prefer the IPL format where the groups don't matter at all? Or the IEM format where some of the top players cna be eliminated on Day 1? MLG's format is great. Yes, it wasn't cool that he had to play 13 games in a roll on stage but in any other tournament he would have been eliminated at this stage after losing a bo3 vs MKP and a bo3 vs Boxer. MLG should improve their scheduling, yes, but if it wasn't for all the whiniers who kept complaining about downtime and IPL being so awesome for showing that top 10 video about 50 times over the course of the weekend, MLG would have probably given Idra a break. On October 17 2011 14:09 schimmetje wrote:On October 17 2011 13:11 cold- wrote:On October 17 2011 12:47 Veritask wrote:On October 17 2011 10:21 LittleAtari wrote:On October 17 2011 10:13 cold- wrote:
idra's probably unique fault in his play against protoss is that his composition is not effective. Idra never relies on zerglings when they are one of the scariest units in the game in mass numbers with nice upgrades.
to beat mass stalkers (what MC used against him today), he can simply max on zerglings with adrenal and nice upgrades, 3-4 infestors with neural if there are colossi and NOT MORE than 10 roaches. no need to be on creep if there are adrenal glands and nice upgrades, however do not move out before upgrades finish. easy win against mass stalkers.
hope idra sees this. yea because he's going to take advice from a random comment on the internet over his own instincts and the advice of pro players that he has access to. Anywho, Idra is going to Korea soon and he has a Code A spot. Cant wait to see him tear through the GSL Has this been confirmed yet? I remember Idra saying a few mlgs ago that he wouldn't take a code A spot Well if IdrA does see this I hope he gives it a try. I'm pretty sure he can make it work. The only reason I posted that is because I want him to succeed. Labeling me as a random kinda hurt my feelings ill get over it though The context when he made that remark was completely different though. That was him speaking from a US-base. If I'm not mistaken he did recently say that when he returned to Korea he'd take GSL seriously as well and the only way to get into Code S without an MLG spot is Code A. Not that I doubt he could qualify for that on his own, as he was one of the few to always do without breaking much of a sweat and he's playing damn good. Still, why take the risk? On October 17 2011 13:14 InsidiA wrote:
So the new EG Announcement.
Will probably hugely effect IdrA's career. Yeeah.. or not, this is EG after all. They like to do the stupid hype thing. You'd think two of their players doing amazing at a pretty stacked tournament'd be enough, but nooo.. ^^ Just posted this in the announcement thread: Uh, guys.... It's blatantly obvious, isn't it? There are 25 stars on this map, one of which is Hydra - and a lot of people think that this is where Idra's name comes from. There are also 25 players on EG at the moment (9 for SC, 5 for CS, 2 for Quake, 5 for Street Fighter, 4 for WoW). It's going to be something about content about their players, not training houses and stuff. You don't know you stuff man... The group stage in the IPL format are not useless : you get seeded AND you get a nice bonus price pool of 1k $ for being first and 500 $ for the second : it's just another tournament in the tournament. While in the MLG format, a guy like Huk (winner) has gone 4-1 in the group stage, getting in final after 2 best 3 (against MKP and TheStc) while a guy like IdrA, 4-1 in the group stage, had to win against : Boxer, HongunPrime, Bomber, MC, TheStc to go in the final. Seriously, how is it fair in any way ? lol at the seeding. Many of the pros and the viewers called IPL out for how pointless the group stage was, which was the reason why they decided to offer the $1000/$500 bonus in the last moment. Nevertheless, a lot of the players opted to forfeit their matches. Huk won vs his direct oponent for the first place, July, while Idra lost vs MKP. If this was IPL, Idra would have been eliminated after losing two games versus Boxer anyway. And the group stage works the same way at every single tournament - from the football World Cup to IPL 3. So because you won against your direct opponent, while the other did not, you have 2 less bo3 to win to go to the final and one joker (loser bracket) ? You can argue all you want, it's not fair in my point of view.
How would you change the structure of the brackets then? Do you realise that often the first placed player in one pool has crushed everyone else and is 5:0, while the player on second place is 3:2 (The StC and Ret this weekend, for example). Wouldn't it be unfair if both the first and the second placed start at the same round in the bracket like at IPL/IEM/DreamHack/etc.?
If you don't lose a single match in direct elimination, you get to play less games overall. This is how having a losers bracket functions and I very much doubt it that you'd be able to find a single pro gamer who says he prefers a format without losers bracket.
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On October 18 2011 03:12 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 02:59 ziggurat wrote:On October 18 2011 02:36 xtfftc wrote:Oh, and someone posted this on /r/sc: Idra vs MC again, so awesome :D + Show Spoiler +I don't actually see MC eliminating Bomber anytime soon but at least the brackets are favourable This looks really good. Basically Idra has to win 4 matches in a row to take first place. Of course, every match will be hard ... can Idra win 4 in a row against Bomber/MC, MMA, Naniwa, and Huk/Puma? That will be a tough run, but definitely not impossible after the last 3 weeks. He has to win four in a roll or six if he loses one. Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 02:49 WhiteDog wrote:On October 18 2011 02:31 xtfftc wrote:On October 18 2011 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 19:07 xtfftc wrote:On October 17 2011 10:01 WhiteDog wrote:On October 17 2011 09:48 taLbuk wrote:On October 17 2011 09:45 Hydra3 wrote:
OK there were 2, I repeat, 2 games in the finals of this huge tournament. Something is wrong with mlg's system Yup, so anti-climactic, i wouldn't call it unfair though, but very underwhelming In my opinion it's unfair. When you win pool play, you get into the winner bracket (while all the rest are in looser bracket), you only need a limited number of games to win the actual tournament (basically only two best of 3 to be in the final... look at HuK's run... compare it to IdrA's...) and you get a huge advantage on almost every one with extended series. So it's unfair because the players who win a lot of game in their groups get an advantage? You prefer the IPL format where the groups don't matter at all? Or the IEM format where some of the top players cna be eliminated on Day 1? MLG's format is great. Yes, it wasn't cool that he had to play 13 games in a roll on stage but in any other tournament he would have been eliminated at this stage after losing a bo3 vs MKP and a bo3 vs Boxer. MLG should improve their scheduling, yes, but if it wasn't for all the whiniers who kept complaining about downtime and IPL being so awesome for showing that top 10 video about 50 times over the course of the weekend, MLG would have probably given Idra a break. On October 17 2011 14:09 schimmetje wrote:On October 17 2011 13:11 cold- wrote:On October 17 2011 12:47 Veritask wrote:On October 17 2011 10:21 LittleAtari wrote:On October 17 2011 10:13 cold- wrote:
idra's probably unique fault in his play against protoss is that his composition is not effective. Idra never relies on zerglings when they are one of the scariest units in the game in mass numbers with nice upgrades.
to beat mass stalkers (what MC used against him today), he can simply max on zerglings with adrenal and nice upgrades, 3-4 infestors with neural if there are colossi and NOT MORE than 10 roaches. no need to be on creep if there are adrenal glands and nice upgrades, however do not move out before upgrades finish. easy win against mass stalkers.
hope idra sees this. yea because he's going to take advice from a random comment on the internet over his own instincts and the advice of pro players that he has access to. Anywho, Idra is going to Korea soon and he has a Code A spot. Cant wait to see him tear through the GSL Has this been confirmed yet? I remember Idra saying a few mlgs ago that he wouldn't take a code A spot Well if IdrA does see this I hope he gives it a try. I'm pretty sure he can make it work. The only reason I posted that is because I want him to succeed. Labeling me as a random kinda hurt my feelings ill get over it though The context when he made that remark was completely different though. That was him speaking from a US-base. If I'm not mistaken he did recently say that when he returned to Korea he'd take GSL seriously as well and the only way to get into Code S without an MLG spot is Code A. Not that I doubt he could qualify for that on his own, as he was one of the few to always do without breaking much of a sweat and he's playing damn good. Still, why take the risk? On October 17 2011 13:14 InsidiA wrote:
So the new EG Announcement.
Will probably hugely effect IdrA's career. Yeeah.. or not, this is EG after all. They like to do the stupid hype thing. You'd think two of their players doing amazing at a pretty stacked tournament'd be enough, but nooo.. ^^ Just posted this in the announcement thread: Uh, guys.... It's blatantly obvious, isn't it? There are 25 stars on this map, one of which is Hydra - and a lot of people think that this is where Idra's name comes from. There are also 25 players on EG at the moment (9 for SC, 5 for CS, 2 for Quake, 5 for Street Fighter, 4 for WoW). It's going to be something about content about their players, not training houses and stuff. You don't know you stuff man... The group stage in the IPL format are not useless : you get seeded AND you get a nice bonus price pool of 1k $ for being first and 500 $ for the second : it's just another tournament in the tournament. While in the MLG format, a guy like Huk (winner) has gone 4-1 in the group stage, getting in final after 2 best 3 (against MKP and TheStc) while a guy like IdrA, 4-1 in the group stage, had to win against : Boxer, HongunPrime, Bomber, MC, TheStc to go in the final. Seriously, how is it fair in any way ? lol at the seeding. Many of the pros and the viewers called IPL out for how pointless the group stage was, which was the reason why they decided to offer the $1000/$500 bonus in the last moment. Nevertheless, a lot of the players opted to forfeit their matches. Huk won vs his direct oponent for the first place, July, while Idra lost vs MKP. If this was IPL, Idra would have been eliminated after losing two games versus Boxer anyway. And the group stage works the same way at every single tournament - from the football World Cup to IPL 3. So because you won against your direct opponent, while the other did not, you have 2 less bo3 to win to go to the final and one joker (loser bracket) ? You can argue all you want, it's not fair in my point of view. How would you change the structure of the brackets then? Do you realise that often the first placed player in one pool has crushed everyone else and is 5:0, while the player on second place is 3:2 (The StC and Ret this weekend, for example). Wouldn't it be unfair if both the first and the second placed start at the same round in the bracket like at IPL/IEM/DreamHack/etc.? If you don't lose a single match in direct elimination, you get to play less games overall. This is how having a losers bracket functions and I very much doubt it that you'd be able to find a single pro gamer who says he prefers a format without losers bracket.
In my opinion, MLG's format is just double penalty : you get seeded further (which is already enough in my opinion) and you have the loser bracket for getting 1rst of your group. Now I will not give my point of view on how it should be changed because that's ridiculous as I am no one to do that. But as a viewer, I'm really frustrated by how it is ran and some competent people should think about a tournament that does not favor that much the 1rst players of each groups.
I'm not against the loser bracket, i love it... but it only benefit the 4 first players of the group play, it's not serious. You need a Naniwa's 26-2 to win the whole tournament from the open tournament... Or a Huk 14-5... (not to mention Incontrol's 8-9 to get to the 4th place of MLG Dallas).
Also, nobody ever won the tournament from the loser bracket yet.
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Was cheering for you all weekend You're playing extremely well these days!
Chill is such a chill guy.
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On October 18 2011 02:36 xtfftc wrote:Oh, and someone posted this on /r/sc: Idra vs MC again, so awesome :D + Show Spoiler +I don't actually see MC eliminating Bomber anytime soon but at least the brackets are favourable
no! pls no.... anyone but MC... Idra is such a beast demolishing great Players and such.
But MC is his cryptonit. Idra dropped out of so many tournament just because of MC.
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