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On June 22 2010 15:05 Megaman703 wrote: where to start, where to start.
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote: It does not chage the fact they (Daesung and Taeyang) are easily replacable. One of the previous member Jang Hyun Seung was kicked out of the group pre-debut and it did not affect the popularity of the group what so ever. Wonder girls replaced their member twice and they're still immensely popular. Han Kyung left Super Junior but they're popular as ever. The fact is, as long as there is decent music and production behind the group, group members are easily replaced and does not have long term effect.
No, no, no. When Hyun Seung was kicked out, nobody knew who the hell he or BB was. Of course it had no effect on BB's popularity, because they didn't have any at the time. Look at Jay leaving 2PM. 2PM was at the height of their popularity when Jay (not the most, but one of the most popular members) left. You can't tell me that their popularity hasn't suffered, despite the fact that the have had half decent songs after "Jaymageddon"
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote: To set the record straight, there were few accusations about GD's plagiarism, but it was never legally proven, just bunch of speculations from netizens.
Do you seriously think that just because it wasn't "legally proven" that doesn't mean it didn't happen? People get away with all sorts of things under the law all the time. There's a huge difference between somebody proclaiming him innocent and nobody doing anything about it.
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote: Latest plagiarism accusation about the song 'heartbreaker' also didn't have any substance in it, Sony ATV in Korea was single handedly accusing GD, but there was never any acknowledgement from songwriters, unlike Hyori's case.
Do you know how hard it is to charge somebody on plagiarism? You can't just say "well they sound the same obviously they're plagiarized". You have to prove all sorts of things, things that aren't easy. Again, a lack of charges laid against GD doesn't prove his innocence.
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote: It lost further creditability after Flo Rider featured in the Heartbreaker remix. It was later awarded the ALBUM OF THE YEAR in Korea.
Wow, you seriously believe that Flo Rida being on the remix proves anything about GD's innocence? You've depicted one scenario, it could very well easily be a whole multitude of other scenarios. Flo Rida being on the track proves nothing either way towards GD's guilt. As far as winning Album of the Year goes, by what criteria was the award handed out? Did a panel of critics sit down and say "which is the best sounding album this year"? Or was it an award given out through a numerical formula involving sales and downloads? (I know the answer, I just want you to think about it)
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote: Their most hit song, 'Lie' or 거짓말 and Haruharu was composed by GD. This alone proves that he is a talented composer despite all the drama.
Again, if he is such a talented composer, how come he couldn't compose a good song for himself? A broken clock is still right twice a day.
Do you really think the whole Jaebum incident had negative effect on 2PM? The fact is, before the Jaebum incident, both Jaebum 2PM was nobody, now they are sombody. Nobody gave a shit about 2PM or Jaebum apart from the fangirls prior to this incident. It was probably unintentional, but this noise marketing has actually helped to leverage the group's name to a next level, known to everyone in Korea nation-wide. Interesting statistic; prior to the Jaebum incident, 2pm Daum fan cafe members were roughly around 160,000, now it's over 220,000.
Just look at other groups, Wonder girls, Super Junior, Jewllery (biggest hit song baby one more time came after member change) and Kara (Nobody cared about Kara in their first album) to name a few, member change is not a significant component to group's popularity.
What I wanted to say about plagiarism is that at the moment, we do not know whether GD is guilty of actually plagirasing any of the songs until it's legally proven. It's all speculation. It obviously does not mean he is innocent, but it also does not mean he's guilty. That is why we have a justice system to prevent people stealing IP. The fact is there was no signifant substance in any of the accusation that was enough to be proven in court. I don't know why you take words out of context but I'm not saying 'Heartbreaker' is not plagirased just because Flo Rider featured in it, but because none of the original song writer spoke out about it even though they were aware of the controversy. Sony ATV even said they will get acknoweldgement from the song owners but they failed to do so. I'm only saying Flo Rider's featuring added further weight to GD being innocent. After all, what he was accused of was copying Flo Rider's style of rap which I personally think is ridiculous.
Album of the year was based on Record sales including online sales, critics rating and the vote.
On June 22 2010 13:19 kino.heezy wrote: i guess i missed the part where you said BB is crap too since GD composed most of their songs
Without the vocal talents of the others, the songs would be crap. I agree that Tae Yang is the only notable member besides Dae Sung.
Bullshit.
There are tonnes of Vocalists out there who is on par or above the level of Tae Yang or Daesung in Korea, but taleted composer such as GD is hard to come by. GD produced most of BB's hit songs including 'Lie' which is their biggest hit song so far. GD also has a decent rapping skill, much better than TOP in my opinion.
In other words, Tae Yang and Daesung is easily replacable whereas GD isn't.
nah both top and gd sucks at rapping
Thank you, I didn't want to say it I like to think of myself as some1 who knows a thing or 2 about hip hop, the only good MCs in the korean game are tablo, MYK, and ofc Tiger JK, and what do you know.. they're all from north america
On June 22 2010 15:16 ThePurist wrote: Verbal Jint, Double K, Juvie Train, Tiger JK, Tablo, Yankee, Outsider, Supreme Team, Gaeko, South Cide, E-Sens, Choiza, YDG ...et al. All are very highly regarded and all have famous flows judged by the masses. However, one stands above the rest (again not decided by me) and is even regarded as a genius because of his uncontested talented, not just as an MC.
idk i can't get into dok2's stuff because of his voice. something about it sounds off to me for his serious style of hiphop, maybe he sounds too young?
I know Dok2 is a talented kid but to rate him above Tiger JK, Verbal Jint or Simon D is just ridiculous.
I can respect that, but once again, it's not decided by me man, the people who follow the Korean rap scene & movement crew sees this kid as the future of Korean hip-hop and call him the best (by a large margin)
Tiger JK - He's like Boxer of the Korean rap scene (Not the best currently but a god) Dok2 - He's Flash of the Korean rap scene (The new gen)
Verbal Jint - His raps are sick lyrically, flow is insane I totally agree. (I personally like his voice and his collabs)
For reference: The tracks "Die Legend and Die Legend 2" are significant - Both Drunken Tiger tracks, but Dok2 is featured exclusively on both. Double K and Dynamic Duo are swapped back and forth, but the kid flows on both. I don't have the direct quote but JK or Tablo admitted (as fellow rappers) Dok2 was a genius.
On June 22 2010 16:22 ThePurist wrote: My girlfriend woke up suddenly and caught me watching the video "I just wanna f-f-f-fuck you" posted above at 3:16 in the morning.
She asked me what the fuck I was doing not sleeping and questioned the lyrics of the chorus at the time.
I had no answer . . =_=
Tell her you want her that bad, then have make-up sex! :D
1. Who the fuck set off this huge bomb in this thread all of a sudden? Shame on you
2. Let me address this:
On June 22 2010 15:16 ThePurist wrote: Verbal Jint, Double K, Juvie Train, Tiger JK, Tablo, Yankee, Outsider, Supreme Team, Gaeko, South Cide, E-Sens, Choiza, YDG ...et al. All are very highly regarded and all have famous flows judged by the masses. However, one stands above the rest (again not decided by me) and is even regarded as a genius because of his uncontested talented, not just as an MC.
You want to put a time stamp on that statement? Because I don't know if you're implying best of all time or best of this current era. (And I know you're not speaking of your opinion but the lack of a time reference really irks me because it is needed and in this case, hip-hop of yrs ago can be measured) Because you wanna use a Flash / Boxer comparison? A more appropriate comparison if you want to use pro-gamer anologies is a Flash / NaDa. So let's use Tiger JK as NaDa, since he's had the longest longevity and success as an MC, vs. Dok2 / Flash, who's on fire right now. If you wanna say Dok2 is the best right now, ok fine. My problem with that is NaDa has 6 titles, Flash has 3. So this is where a time stamp means everything. Because overall, Tiger JK is still the best (his last promoted song was able to hit #5 on the Mnet charts) while Dok2 might be the best currently. By the way, good job of mentioning E-Sens twice (E-Sens and Supreme Team) I think what seperate teh best MC's from lower tier S-Class ones is the ability to do well mainstream as well, and because of that, people like Tiger JK, Tablo, Outsider, Supreme Team aka Simon D and E-Sens are really up there because of that fact.
On June 22 2010 13:19 kino.heezy wrote: i guess i missed the part where you said BB is crap too since GD composed most of their songs
Without the vocal talents of the others, the songs would be crap. I agree that Tae Yang is the only notable member besides Dae Sung.
Bullshit.
There are tonnes of Vocalists out there who is on par or above the level of Tae Yang or Daesung in Korea, but taleted composer such as GD is hard to come by. GD produced most of BB's hit songs including 'Lie' which is their biggest hit song so far. GD also has a decent rapping skill, much better than TOP in my opinion.
In other words, Tae Yang and Daesung is easily replacable whereas GD isn't.
안영! 오래간 만에요.
Well, first off, G-Dragon was under the tutelage of a lot of composers way back when he was young. Yeah, composing is a rare talent, I agree. What I don't agree with is your vocalist opinion. Let's face it, not every group wants to end up looking like Big Mama, no matter how talented they are. You're not going to see the Mongshil Sisters get promoted a lot. Now seriously, who would you rather WATCH and listen to? Davichi's 이해리 or Big Mama's 이영현? I guess DaeSung can be replaceable (or not, his ability to shine in Variety Shows is always a big plus), but even a guy like TaeYang with his choreo ability kind of isn't. When members are multi-faceted vocally + something else (and don't look like fucking trolls like Jeon BoRam), they're precious and REALLY HARD to replace commodities.
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I think what seperate teh best MC's from lower tier S-Class ones is the ability to do well mainstream as well, and because of that, people like Tiger JK, Tablo, Outsider, Supreme Team aka Simon D and E-Sens are really up there because of that fact. ![[image loading]](http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6227/13638124171637404915635.jpg)
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