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On June 22 2010 13:31 zoLo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:19 kino.heezy wrote:
i guess i missed the part where you said BB is crap too since GD composed most of their songs Without the vocal talents of the others, the songs would be crap. I agree that Tae Yang is the only notable member besides Dae Sung.
Bullshit.
There are tonnes of Vocalists out there who is on par or above the level of Tae Yang or Daesung in Korea, but taleted composer such as GD is hard to come by. GD produced most of BB's hit songs including 'Lie' which is their biggest hit song so far. GD also has a decent rapping skill, much better than TOP in my opinion.
In other words, Tae Yang and Daesung is easily replacable whereas GD isn't.
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On June 22 2010 14:16 1tym wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:31 zoLo wrote:On June 22 2010 13:19 kino.heezy wrote:
i guess i missed the part where you said BB is crap too since GD composed most of their songs Without the vocal talents of the others, the songs would be crap. I agree that Tae Yang is the only notable member besides Dae Sung. Bullshit. There are tonnes of Vocalists out there who is on par or above the level of Tae Yang or Daesung in Korea, but taleted composer such as GD is hard to come by. GD produced most of BB's hit songs including 'Lie' which is their biggest hit song so far. GD also has a decent rapping skill, much better than TOP in my opinion. In other words, Tae Yang and Daesung is easily replacable whereas GD isn't.
oh come on every other song of his has major plagiarism criticisms... not a good sign of a "talented composer"
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On June 22 2010 14:24 Kentor wrote:
keep the blatantly bad snsd pics coming!!
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On June 22 2010 14:16 1tym wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:31 zoLo wrote:On June 22 2010 13:19 kino.heezy wrote:
i guess i missed the part where you said BB is crap too since GD composed most of their songs Without the vocal talents of the others, the songs would be crap. I agree that Tae Yang is the only notable member besides Dae Sung. Bullshit. There are tonnes of Vocalists out there who is on par or above the level of Tae Yang or Daesung in Korea, but taleted composer such as GD is hard to come by. GD produced most of BB's hit songs including 'Lie' which is their biggest hit song so far. GD also has a decent rapping skill, much better than TOP in my opinion. In other words, Tae Yang and Daesung is easily replacable whereas GD isn't.
Change "composer" with "thief" and "produced" with "plagiarized" and I agree with you 100%.
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I'm only going to talk about GD musically, because that's really the only thing that should matter (I know, lol).
Going to disagree with him being "decent" at rapping. Going to say plain and simple that he stinks. Part of the problem is he has no idea how to write a good rap. Everything he's written rap wise has no flow, no punch (and cutting the question off at the pass, TOP sucks too)
I'm not debating the fact that GD produced some great songs for BB. What I am saying is that all his production "talent" disappeared at the drop of a hat once he went solo. The songs on his album were flat out terrible, in addition to being suspectly lifted from other songs. Musically, it could not have been worse.
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On June 22 2010 14:16 1tym wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:31 zoLo wrote:On June 22 2010 13:19 kino.heezy wrote:
i guess i missed the part where you said BB is crap too since GD composed most of their songs Without the vocal talents of the others, the songs would be crap. I agree that Tae Yang is the only notable member besides Dae Sung. Bullshit. There are tonnes of Vocalists out there who is on par or above the level of Tae Yang or Daesung in Korea, but taleted composer such as GD is hard to come by. GD produced most of BB's hit songs including 'Lie' which is their biggest hit song so far. GD also has a decent rapping skill, much better than TOP in my opinion. In other words, Tae Yang and Daesung is easily replacable whereas GD isn't.
First off, I was talking about within BB themselves. I know there are other great singers in Korea, but in your case, it doesn't really relate to what I was trying to say. GD may have made most of BB's best songs, but it's the singers who make the song, not the lyricist. If GD is such a good composer then why does most of his songs on his solo album sound so similar to other songs such as Right Round or She's Electric?
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On June 22 2010 14:16 1tym wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:31 zoLo wrote:On June 22 2010 13:19 kino.heezy wrote:
i guess i missed the part where you said BB is crap too since GD composed most of their songs Without the vocal talents of the others, the songs would be crap. I agree that Tae Yang is the only notable member besides Dae Sung. Bullshit. There are tonnes of Vocalists out there who is on par or above the level of Tae Yang or Daesung in Korea, but taleted composer such as GD is hard to come by. GD produced most of BB's hit songs including 'Lie' which is their biggest hit song so far. GD also has a decent rapping skill, much better than TOP in my opinion. In other words, Tae Yang and Daesung is easily replacable whereas GD isn't.
nah both top and gd sucks at rapping
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It does not chage the fact they (Daesung, Taeyang and obv Seung Ri) are easily replacable. One of the previous member Jang Hyun Seung was kicked out of the group pre-debut and it did not affect the popularity of the group what so ever. Wonder girls replaced their member twice and they're still immensely popular. Han Kyung left Super Junior but they're popular as ever. The fact is, as long as there is decent music and production behind the group, group members are easily replaced and does not have long term effect.
To set the record straight, there were few accusations about GD's plagiarism, but it was never legally proven, just bunch of speculations from netizens. Latest plagiarism accusation about the song 'heartbreaker' also didn't have any substance in it, Sony ATV in Korea was single handedly accusing GD, but there was never any acknowledgement from songwriters, unlike Hyori's case.
It lost creditability further after Flo Rider featured in the Heartbreaker remix. It was later awarded the ALBUM OF THE YEAR in Korea.
Their most hit song, 'Lie' or 거짓말 and Haruharu was composed by GD. This alone proves that he is a talented composer despite all the drama.
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The best MC in the Korean rap scene is uncontested. Care to guess who?
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I know you're probably thinking Tiger JK, but I have to disagree. Verbal Jint is probably the best rapper in Korea at the moment both lyrically and rhyme-wise, at least in Han Geul.
If we're talking about rap in English I would probably go with Maniac from Uptown.
When Druken Tiger debuted, Tiger JK used to dominate the rap in English and his Korean rap was helped out by Kim Jin Pyo since JK did not speak Korean fluently. Years of residing in Korea helped him improve his Korean rapping but it gradually led to his English rap skill diminishing.
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where to start, where to start.
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
It does not chage the fact they (Daesung and Taeyang) are easily replacable. One of the previous member Jang Hyun Seung was kicked out of the group pre-debut and it did not affect the popularity of the group what so ever. Wonder girls replaced their member twice and they're still immensely popular. Han Kyung left Super Junior but they're popular as ever. The fact is, as long as there is decent music and production behind the group, group members are easily replaced and does not have long term effect.
No, no, no. When Hyun Seung was kicked out, nobody knew who the hell he or BB was. Of course it had no effect on BB's popularity, because they didn't have any at the time. Look at Jay leaving 2PM. 2PM was at the height of their popularity when Jay (not the most, but one of the most popular members) left. You can't tell me that their popularity hasn't suffered, despite the fact that the have had half decent songs after "Jaymageddon"
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
To set the record straight, there were few accusations about GD's plagiarism, but it was never legally proven, just bunch of speculations from netizens.
Do you seriously think that just because it wasn't "legally proven" that doesn't mean it didn't happen? People get away with all sorts of things under the law all the time. There's a huge difference between somebody proclaiming him innocent and nobody doing anything about it.
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
Latest plagiarism accusation about the song 'heartbreaker' also didn't have any substance in it, Sony ATV in Korea was single handedly accusing GD, but there was never any acknowledgement from songwriters, unlike Hyori's case.
Do you know how hard it is to charge somebody on plagiarism? You can't just say "well they sound the same obviously they're plagiarized". You have to prove all sorts of things, things that aren't easy. Again, a lack of charges laid against GD doesn't prove his innocence.
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
It lost further creditability after Flo Rider featured in the Heartbreaker remix. It was later awarded the ALBUM OF THE YEAR in Korea.
Wow, you seriously believe that Flo Rida being on the remix proves anything about GD's innocence? You've depicted one scenario, it could very well easily be a whole multitude of other scenarios. Flo Rida being on the track proves nothing either way towards GD's guilt. As far as winning Album of the Year goes, by what criteria was the award handed out? Did a panel of critics sit down and say "which is the best sounding album this year"? Or was it an award given out through a numerical formula involving sales and downloads? (I know the answer, I just want you to think about it)
On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
Their most hit song, 'Lie' or 거짓말 and Haruharu was composed by GD. This alone proves that he is a talented composer despite all the drama.
Again, if he is such a talented composer, how come he couldn't compose a good song for himself? A broken clock is still right twice a day.
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Verbal Jint, Double K, Juvie Train, Tiger JK, Tablo, Yankee, Outsider, Gaeko, South Cide, E-Sens, Choiza, YDG ...et al. All are very highly regarded and all have famous flows judged by the masses. However, one stands above the rest (again not decided by me) and is even regarded as a genius because of his uncontested talented, not just as an MC.
Listen to the lyrics and you be the judge.
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On June 22 2010 14:50 ThePurist wrote:
The best MC in the Korean rap scene is uncontested. Care to guess who?
GL
OUTSIDER LOLOL
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On June 22 2010 15:16 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:50 ThePurist wrote:
The best MC in the Korean rap scene is uncontested. Care to guess who?
GL OUTSIDER LOLOL
wtf its definitely defcon
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On June 22 2010 15:16 ThePurist wrote:Verbal Jint, Double K, Juvie Train, Tiger JK, Tablo, Yankee, Outsider, Supreme Team, Gaeko, South Cide, E-Sens, Choiza, YDG ...et al. All are very highly regarded and all have famous flows judged by the masses. However, one stands above the rest (again not decided by me) and is even regarded as a genius because of his uncontested talented, not just as an MC. Listen to the lyrics and you be the judge. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8knj33Qh9g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl1LzXqyxQc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh5fKeudDY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmV2wAOffIM&feature=related
idk i can't get into dok2's stuff because of his voice. something about it sounds off to me for his serious style of hiphop, maybe he sounds too young?
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On June 22 2010 15:05 Megaman703 wrote:where to start, where to start. Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
It does not chage the fact they (Daesung and Taeyang) are easily replacable. One of the previous member Jang Hyun Seung was kicked out of the group pre-debut and it did not affect the popularity of the group what so ever. Wonder girls replaced their member twice and they're still immensely popular. Han Kyung left Super Junior but they're popular as ever. The fact is, as long as there is decent music and production behind the group, group members are easily replaced and does not have long term effect. No, no, no. When Hyun Seung was kicked out, nobody knew who the hell he or BB was. Of course it had no effect on BB's popularity, because they didn't have any at the time. Look at Jay leaving 2PM. 2PM was at the height of their popularity when Jay (not the most, but one of the most popular members) left. You can't tell me that their popularity hasn't suffered, despite the fact that the have had half decent songs after "Jaymageddon" Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
To set the record straight, there were few accusations about GD's plagiarism, but it was never legally proven, just bunch of speculations from netizens. Do you seriously think that just because it wasn't "legally proven" that doesn't mean it didn't happen? People get away with all sorts of things under the law all the time. There's a huge difference between somebody proclaiming him innocent and nobody doing anything about it. Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
Latest plagiarism accusation about the song 'heartbreaker' also didn't have any substance in it, Sony ATV in Korea was single handedly accusing GD, but there was never any acknowledgement from songwriters, unlike Hyori's case. Do you know how hard it is to charge somebody on plagiarism? You can't just say "well they sound the same obviously they're plagiarized". You have to prove all sorts of things, things that aren't easy. Again, a lack of charges laid against GD doesn't prove his innocence. Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
It lost further creditability after Flo Rider featured in the Heartbreaker remix. It was later awarded the ALBUM OF THE YEAR in Korea. Wow, you seriously believe that Flo Rida being on the remix proves anything about GD's innocence? You've depicted one scenario, it could very well easily be a whole multitude of other scenarios. Flo Rida being on the track proves nothing either way towards GD's guilt. As far as winning Album of the Year goes, by what criteria was the award handed out? Did a panel of critics sit down and say "which is the best sounding album this year"? Or was it an award given out through a numerical formula involving sales and downloads? (I know the answer, I just want you to think about it) Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 14:49 1tym wrote:
Their most hit song, 'Lie' or 거짓말 and Haruharu was composed by GD. This alone proves that he is a talented composer despite all the drama. Again, if he is such a talented composer, how come he couldn't compose a good song for himself? A broken clock is still right twice a day.
Do you really think the whole Jaebum incident had negative effect on 2PM? The fact is, before the Jaebum incident, both Jaebum 2PM was nobody, now they are sombody. Nobody gave a shit about 2PM or Jaebum apart from the fangirls prior to this incident. It was probably unintentional, but this noise marketing has actually helped to leverage the group's name to a next level, known to everyone in Korea nation-wide. Interesting statistic; prior to the Jaebum incident, 2pm Daum fan cafe members were roughly around 160,000, now it's over 220,000.
Just look at other groups, Wonder girls, Super Junior, Jewllery (biggest hit song baby one more time came after member change) and Kara (Nobody cared about Kara in their first album) to name a few, member change is not a significant component to group's popularity. What really count is the sound production, marketing and most importantly the hit song.
What I wanted to say about plagiarism is that at the moment, we do not know whether GD is guilty of actually plagirasing any of the songs until it's legally proven. It's all speculation. It obviously does not mean he is innocent, but it also does not mean he's guilty. That is why we have a justice system to prevent people stealing IP. The fact is there was no signifant substance in any of the accusation that was enough to be proven in court. I don't know why you take words out of context but I'm not saying 'Heartbreaker' is not plagirased just because Flo Rider featured in it, but because none of the original song writer spoke out about it even though they were aware of the controversy. Sony ATV even said they will get acknoweldgement from the song owners but they failed to do so. I'm only saying Flo Rider's featuring added further weight to GD being innocent. After all, what he was accused of was copying Flo Rider's style of rap which I personally think is ridiculous.
Album of the year was based on Record sales including online sales, critics rating and the vote.
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On June 22 2010 15:21 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 15:16 ThePurist wrote:Verbal Jint, Double K, Juvie Train, Tiger JK, Tablo, Yankee, Outsider, Supreme Team, Gaeko, South Cide, E-Sens, Choiza, YDG ...et al. All are very highly regarded and all have famous flows judged by the masses. However, one stands above the rest (again not decided by me) and is even regarded as a genius because of his uncontested talented, not just as an MC. Listen to the lyrics and you be the judge. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8knj33Qh9g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl1LzXqyxQc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slh5fKeudDY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmV2wAOffIM&feature=related idk i can't get into dok2's stuff because of his voice. something about it sounds off to me for his serious style of hiphop, maybe he sounds too young?
I know Dok2 is a talented kid but to rate him above Tiger JK, Verbal Jint or Simon D is just ridiculous.
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