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AsnSensation

Germany24009 Posts

February 24 2013 10:17 GMT

#91881

Thx Foxx really appreciate all the work you've done.

So jelly@ Tippany I love Jay Park's Solo Work.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

February 24 2013 10:18 GMT

#91882

On February 24 2013 17:44 Fox116 wrote:
On a side note, I will not be posting music show performances after next week. Change in my schedule soon. I'll still be lurking though! If someone does so desire to take up posting them after me, feel free to pm me any questions. (Not that there is much to know)

I know everyone here appreciates what you do here; and if they don't they surely will when you stop posting show performances. Thanks for all your effort man!

Sephyr

Australia665 Posts

February 24 2013 10:22 GMT

#91883

On February 24 2013 19:16 Fawkes wrote:

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On February 24 2013 19:11 Sephyr wrote:

On February 24 2013 18:45 Fawkes wrote:

On February 24 2013 15:57 Sephyr wrote:

On February 24 2013 15:03 Fawkes wrote:
TIL not positive = negative. So if it's not negative, it must be positive. So by definition that I did not find those comments negative, therefore they must be positive.

On February 23 2013 16:47 Sephyr wrote:
They were trying out something and failed (even said by their own members), but hey, gotta experiment sometimes.

What you actually said, was that they said it failed. Gee, can't you keep up a straight argument and stop twisting everything. I don't care what your opinion about the song ever was, I never addressed it a single time. The only thing I care about is your bs claim and your supposed proof.

Since that asianjunkie article was not your proof, nor was the AKP article about an interview they did. Please quote your proof for me because I don't want to go back to the previous pages. Because to me right now, you are referencing proof here and proof there.

Arguing with you is pointless. I've already said MULTIPLE TIMES that I've apologized for stating something SNSD did NOT say, but I did then post sources and links of SNSD's opinions of the songs which can be seen as a negative response which then in turn can also be interpreted that they think (mainly from Yuri's response) think that the song was a failed experiment.

If you want to think it's positive then that's fine, but don't complain and whine when people call you a disillusion SONE who'll think anything to keep their loyalty to their group.
I actually did source the AKP article as my proof. Andyrau found the Seohyun statement before I did and someone else linked the article to Asianjunkie's article on Taeyeons statement regarding the song. Glad you proved my point that you barely read posts and blindly post random bullshit so you can vigorously defend your group.

Oh. That AKP article was your proof? That makes more sense now. Thought you had more concrete proof that doesn't require one to use implication out of his ass.

Yes, me not wanting to go and read the past 3 pages again is proof that I barely read the posts. While we're at this, I could probably say my posts are trying to imply you are retarded. But are they really? Sounds just as farfetched as going from Yuri's comment about how it was different, lots of practice went into it and how there is fear in trying something new to failed experiment.

Why would I whine if people call me a disillusioned Sone? It's become practice for people to resort to that comment because they refuse to argue because they feel it like we won't give up or change our mind? Every time some sone decides to rebut something, he/she automatically must be disillusioned. That's some sick debate skill there. That's the norm in this thread. Just like if we have these arguments, there's going to be some posts posting the obvious, "thought i might have missed a release since 40+ new posts, nevermind, just SNSD shit".

So when are we gonna stop picking at the fact that I like SNSD and I like IGAB, even though neither fact was brought up in the last few pages. I thought debating and arguing was based on rebutting and conceding, but apparently there was a "go for the throat" approach too. That works too I guess...on the Internet.

You've gone so far off topic it's a joke. The three articles were stated in the previous pages that show the opinions of the girls regarding the their title track IGAB. Whether you take it as fact or fiction means next to nothing to me. As Craton said, it's pointless arguing with you.

How am I offtopic? From the start I've been pointing out your false claim and how you claim to justify it. So yes, go walk away.

"NOPE ALL PROOF AND SOURCES YOU STATE/CITE ARE WRONG BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST WHAT I THINK,"

Sure sounds like the logic you're using. Anyway I'm done. You win, IGAB had the best positive review in the world as always.

seRapH

United States9777 Posts

February 24 2013 10:27 GMT

#91884

Oh man I got kinda reliant on these fox posts

what will I do now

Moonwrath

United States9568 Posts

February 24 2013 10:31 GMT

#91885

YHY: I don't know if it's because of the change or not, but there were a lot of different kinds of reactions to the music. Yuri, sometimes you may happen to read the negative reactions. How do you feel then?

Yuri: In the case of this song, they were reactions that I expected, so it wasn't a big surprise...(talk about her cold)...Because I expected it, it was ok. This song has a lot of different tempos and many fun elements.

YHY: It's diverse.

Yuri: The more I hear it, the more I think that it's an appealing song. And by trying out a new transformation, it feels good and exciting. Performing it is fun every time.

But we can say she hates it and said it was a failed experiment if that's what you're into. Apparently staying consistently in the top 10 on digital charts for a month, getting positive reviews from western media, and selling as many albums in one month as the 2012 #2 album sold ALL YEAR is a failed experiment.

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

February 24 2013 10:35 GMT

#91886

On February 24 2013 19:18 wei2coolman wrote:

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I know everyone here appreciates what you do here; and if they don't they surely will when you stop posting show performances. Thanks for all your effort man!

Word.

Thanks bro

I actually liked the posts not only cause they were convenient but also cause several times I didn't know/forgot someone was performing that week...for the performances I care about I could always just search them but that's a real loss there.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

February 24 2013 10:38 GMT

#91887

I don't think any one here denies the fact SNSD sells albums; no matter the quality of the song (good or bad). They sell cuz they're SNSD. Is that so surprising? It was a running gag in KMD that SM Ent. essentially stopped trying with SNSD, because anything they have SNSD put out will sell.

Change of topic; been listening to Shinee's new album. A lot of the songs felt like only 99% from being a hit. A lot of the songs feels like it was just missing a little something that would make it something special. Anyone else think Runaway sounds like JYP's No Love No More?

Caprica6

Sweden103 Posts

February 24 2013 10:41 GMT

#91888

Inkigayo was pumping today with the energy of shinee comeback fan surge.

I was standing at the front left corner of the stage. Its hard to express the feeling of seeing rainbow jisook and hyunyoung doing the tell me tell me butt dance at point blank range. The rainbow fan who was standing next to me shared his view in broken english: "She make pants happy."

Shinee was in a different league to the rest today. Most of the artists look mechanic and practiced but very distant when they perform. Shinee however has real stage presence and when they performed the studio was really electric. 2nd song beautiful is much better than the title track.

I was watching the new rookie band Idolize prerecord their debut song. They looked like they hadnt slept in a month and were about to throw up. But the song is quite good. Also cheered some for nine muses after seeing the documentary last week..

Xenocide_Knight

Korea (South)2625 Posts

February 24 2013 10:45 GMT

#91889

On February 24 2013 18:02 EscapingJail wrote:

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It's pretty funny to watch people in here defend a song so hard. I've never seen so many people get that mad. Seriously just go back to when IGAB came out, lots of people disliked it.
Also, what bold new insight? I can't agree with someone else's opinion? This is a kpop discussion thread. What else is there to talk about other than kpop and the idols themselves? This isn't politics or some sort of science.

Edit: Either way I'm done, no reason for me to say anything else.

I think a lot of the miscommunication here comes from you seeming to not be a very frequent reader of the KMD. I'll try to elaborate on why exactly Jarzai might have been tempted to post such an opinionated, sarcastic post right after your original post.+ Show Spoiler +

On February 24 2013 15:42 EscapingJail wrote:
To be fair IGAB is pretty terrible, and this is coming from someone who has just recently listened to most of SNSD's discography.

This post comes off as nothing more than intentionally taking a jab at several members of this thread because
1. As you said so yourself, I think it's very clear a large and vocal group of people do not like IGAB so you restating that as if we could have forgotten it somehow comes off as rather silly.
2. You say "coming from someone who recently listened to SNSD's discography" as if it's some kind of unique trait that puts you above everyone else. This is is also interpreted as troll-bait because you are saying that to a group of people who have literally spent hours doing SNSD related things every day for the past few years.
3. I think with exception of The Boys (and perhaps including) we sones defend every song equally hard. There have also been much much greater arguments and anger in this thread before. By saying things like "I've never seen so many people get that mad.", it makes you seem incredible new to this thread and therefore it is mildly annoying to be told "This is a kpop discussion thread." by you.
4. "To be fair IGAB is pretty terrible" is honestly not fair at all because many people here enjoy the song and you have no grounds or reasons to insinuate that your opinion on music is somehow more valuable than our own.

Again, it was a rather strong and unusual statement that Jarzai made and was probably not made with entirely pure intentions either. Although he did at least make an effort to say that it was merely his opinion that "everything else should just go in the trash". The primary problem with your post + Show Spoiler +

On February 24 2013 15:42 EscapingJail wrote:
To be fair IGAB is pretty terrible, and this is coming from someone who has just recently listened to most of SNSD's discography.

is that you state it as if it is objectively a terrible song and that you have more authority than anyone else to say so.

Kaiwa

Netherlands2209 Posts

February 24 2013 10:57 GMT

#91890

Ugh I am so tired of the people who feel like defending everything they like and bash the rest. It's unfortunate but for some reason I see this behaviour especially from Sones. Something else comes out and for some reason they want to get "revenge" for what people have done to them by bashing all the other stuff into the ground, even when it's argueably the same (or better) quality in music. Either way, on to more important stuff:

Fox116, thanks man for your efforts. I'm sorry I just noticed the seditary-generator was offline again. I've been having some issues with the server and had to reformat it a couple of times. My bad

However, with the end of our Fox116 music posts I want to make a suggestion for the future of music posts.

Community Assisted Music Posts
Currently I'm thinking about creating a fully automated AI that makes the music posts for us. There are some limitations to this obviously which is where the community assistance comes in. I'm not quite sure how I would recognize if a stage is a Goodbye Stages for example.

I would make a small bot that grabs the artist list from the music show's website and posts a new empty post in here while it searches youtube for the correct videos. If for some reason it makes a mistake there will be a link in the spoiler "Report incorrect / deleted video." which will take you to a back-end on my server that allows you to remove the video and/or enter a correct video.

This process will last about 3-4 hours per music show after which it will close and keep the final post in its current state. Now, obviously there are negative effects with this idea. The obvious one: community griefing, and I have no idea what the TL policy is on bots posting content.

I would just like to hear some opinions, and all of this is just an idea spinning in my brain right now. If anyone feels like becoming the new Fox116 you should probably check out my previous project on this.

The Seditary Generator

Jarzai

United States702 Posts

February 24 2013 10:58 GMT

#91891

Obviously sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet, but yeah I wasn't being serious of course I like other Korean music, SNSD might be my favorite, but I like other things too, I'm just not that vocal about it. After seeing "I Got a Boy is trash" for like the fifteenth time, and this particular time almost two months after release, it's just kind of annoying, we get it, you guys don't like it. My post was unnecessary and was quite honestly stupid, just because someone said they didn't enjoy something I like doesn't mean I need to make a post saying that something that someone else likes is bad. So I guess from now on I'll just try to use this as less of a place for SNSD and more of a place for all Korean Music. I'll just go be a fanatic on r/snsd....
EDIT. I suppose we were typing our posts out at the same time. ^^ Obviously I'm not a whole part of the problem but I'll make an effort to quit acting like I have down syndrome any time something happens, but if Sones try to change can we cut down on some of the SNSD trolling too?
Maybe a little bit of fanaticism....
+ Show Spoiler +

@dystopia Naw, I get what you're saying.

Hall0wed

United States8486 Posts

February 24 2013 11:04 GMT

#91892

On February 24 2013 19:41 Caprica6 wrote:
Inkigayo was pumping today with the energy of shinee comeback fan surge.

I was standing at the front left corner of the stage. Its hard to express the feeling of seeing rainbow jisook and hyunyoung doing the tell me tell me butt dance at point blank range. The rainbow fan who was standing next to me shared his view in broken english: "She make pants happy."

Shinee was in a different league to the rest today. Most of the artists look mechanic and practiced but very distant when they perform. Shinee however has real stage presence and when they performed the studio was really electric. 2nd song beautiful is much better than the title track.

I was watching the new rookie band Idolize prerecord their debut song. They looked like they hadnt slept in a month and were about to throw up. But the song is quite good. Also cheered some for nine muses after seeing the documentary last week..

Lucky man! Beautiful brings along great stage presence, really fun song and performance. I think both songs are amazing and I like them equally but while watching the Beautiful performances I have found myself thinking that it would go just as well or better as a title track.

With how well things are already going for this comeback it just makes me more and more excited for the comeback in April. Crazy that we aren't even out of the first week and you can already get hyped for another amazing comeback so quickly.

ASie

United States777 Posts

February 24 2013 11:05 GMT

#91893

On February 24 2013 19:35 DystopiaX wrote:

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Thanks a ton Fox! Now I don't know where I'll find all the music show compilations in a neat and organized way (nor will I remember like Dystopia).

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

February 24 2013 11:12 GMT

#91894

On February 24 2013 19:58 Jarzai wrote:
Obviously sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet, but yeah I wasn't being serious of course I like other Korean music, SNSD might be my favorite, but I like other things too, I'm just not that vocal about it. After seeing "I Got a Boy is trash" for like the fifteenth time, and this particular time almost two months after release, it's just kind of annoying, we get it, you guys don't like it. My post was unnecessary and was quite honestly stupid, just because someone said they didn't enjoy something I like doesn't mean I need to make a post saying that something that someone else likes is bad. So I guess from now on I'll just try to use this as less of a place for SNSD and more of a place for all Korean Music. I'll just go be a fanatic on r/snsd....
EDIT. I suppose we were typing our posts out at the same time. ^^ Obviously I'm not a whole part of the problem but I'll make an effort to quit acting like I have down syndrome any time something happens, but if Sones try to change can we cut down on some of the SNSD trolling too?

While I could see why this would be intolerable for an SNSD fan, I thought it was quite clear that the dude posting this wasn't much of a kpop fan/did not read the thread regularly, so couldn't be expected to know that this topic is quite tired on KMD. I know I post into some long-standing KMD threads. If it was like me or wei or someone randomly saying IGAB is shit the response would be warranted but that dudes post is similar to the kind of posts we'd get a year ago of some dude saying "yo I heard this dope korean song" then posting like Again and Again or some shit.

This isn't meant to attack you or anything(cause I just reread it and saw how it might be taken as such), just saw that sentence and felt like commenting.

DjSweetBazz

Sweden172 Posts

February 24 2013 11:36 GMT

#91895

Bunny style short version

T-ara give me moar!!

Sephyr

Australia665 Posts

February 24 2013 11:52 GMT

#91896

On February 24 2013 19:31 Moonwrath wrote:
YHY: I don't know if it's because of the change or not, but there were a lot of different kinds of reactions to the music. Yuri, sometimes you may happen to read the negative reactions. How do you feel then?

Yuri: In the case of this song, they were reactions that I expected, so it wasn't a big surprise...(talk about her cold)...Because I expected it, it was ok. This song has a lot of different tempos and many fun elements.

YHY: It's diverse.

Yuri: The more I hear it, the more I think that it's an appealing song. And by trying out a new transformation, it feels good and exciting. Performing it is fun every time.

But we can say she hates it and said it was a failed experiment if that's what you're into. Apparently staying consistently in the top 10 on digital charts for a month, getting positive reviews from western media, and selling as many albums in one month as the 2012 #2 album sold ALL YEAR is a failed experiment.

Lol please. If you were to give that exact same song to another rookie group as their debut song, would it stay consistently in the top 10 charts, positive reviews from western (lol) media outlets and selling as many albums in one month as the 2012 #2 album sold all year? Nope.
They hadn't had a comeback in over a year and a half and this comeback was mega hyped up. Coupled with the fact it's SNSD and you've got the answer to why they got those achievements.

Anyway I'm done talking about IGAB. I like it (like I've said multiple times) but it's clear people want to defend SNSD's reputation to the absolute brink.

Found the beanie and ordered it from eBay, woooo haha.
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klogg

Sweden800 Posts

February 24 2013 12:03 GMT

#91897

Sunhwa got kicks.

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Maybe to make up for something else that she doesn't have.
+ Show Spoiler +

IMHope

Korea (South)1241 Posts

February 24 2013 12:06 GMT

#91898

And here I thought we might have gotten past this pointless argument for a while. On a side note sad to see Fox leave and I bet everyone here appreciates all that you have done.

MoonBear

Straight outta Johto18973 Posts

February 24 2013 12:07 GMT

#91899

Hi you guys. If you all want to have an argument that's fine but send it through PMs and not random nonsense spam. Also, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you should report it and expect a mod to side with you to win an argument. Kthxbai

Mayd

Finland251 Posts

February 24 2013 12:38 GMT

#91900

Sunhwa should try some muay thai. Those taekwondo kicks suck.

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