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Absurd Bunny
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On January 03 2013 14:24 falconfan02 wrote: That's not entirely true, there are quite a few talented artists/groups in kpop that have risen to the top. Ailee, KWill, DBSK, and Shinee come to mind (I'm sure there are many others). The most talented individuals in a lot of groups are often recognized as such and given opportunities to do solo activities. Yes, you do have many untalented artists/groups that become popular, but that's always going to be the case in any genre of popular music you choose. Kpop isn't unique in this regard. I agree with what you are saying, but kpop IS unique (surgically modified young girls in large numbers). Each group has a predetermined formula, where the idols will fill in their own unique roles (short haired girl, random color haired girl, standard black haired girl, etc). this is completely irrelevant but I am also a falcons fan. Matty ICE! | ||
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Nesserev
Belgium2760 Posts
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Ym1r
United States1164 Posts
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logikly
United States329 Posts
On January 03 2013 14:50 Ym1r wrote: I thought T-ara's absolute first was average, then again I never really liked any girl group songs. those words cut my deeply. T-ara is my favorite  | ||
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falconfan02
United States231 Posts
On January 03 2013 14:45 biology]major wrote: I agree with what you are saying, but kpop IS unique (surgically modified young girls in large numbers). Each group has a predetermined formula, where the idols will fill in their own unique roles (short haired girl, random color haired girl, standard black haired girl, etc). this is completely irrelevant but I am also a falcons fan. Matty ICE! Haha nice, hopefully we can go all the way this year. And yeah kpop is definitely unique as a genre, I was just referring to the distribution of popularity in regard to talent. | ||
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Nos-
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GTR
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Pulselol
Canada1628 Posts
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Zhuu
United States356 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q28M7.gif) Oh boy, it feels like someone is extremely irked. Automatically classifying people as disullusional fans because they questioned you about why you may have disliked IGAB. When Shmeezzy "attacked" you earlier by asking why you didn't like IGAB, that must've felt very offensive and rude right? I would like to apologize for that Shmeezzy attempted to understand your hate for IGAB. Just a friendly reminder that Shmeezzy just wanted to know more about your tastes and such. Such brutal attacks should not have happened. About SNSD's comeback...In my opinion, it wasn't as horrendous as you say. Please take some time and watch. I admit, the first time I watched this MV, I had no fucking idea what was going on. I don't understand any of this shit they are saying, and everything is just jumping around. They looked pretty fucking good though. But what do you know? It seems like it's story telling. OH MY GOD. THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN IN A SONG, WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY THINKING?! Ahh, here we go about the prime stuff again. I am extremely happy to hear that you liked SNSD at one point. It is quite unfortunate that the group could not stay the same for 5 years. Extremely sorry that the changes they made did not please you. That is unfortunate that you did not like them. I appreciate your opinion. I'm not bashing your opinion in any way, but I just wanted to go through your points that wrote so nicely for us to read. But don't you think you are spending slightly TOO much time on a group you dislike? Combing through content and their stuff to find things to dislike. I really don't want to use the word hate as it is so strong. You just almost fill all the points of those so called people called "antis", except you still say things like "I'm not bashing them" and "In my opinion". "Antis" are just slightly worse and just say whatever the fuck they want. Onto your first point! The songs that they promote are mostly not great songs. Well...like you said, in your opinion. In my opinion, they have ranged from medicore to pretty good. Guess we like different stuff. As I mentioned earlier, IGAB is broken into parts, these parts seem totally different and don't seem to flow nicely at all, well if you look at different parts of the MV and what they represent. Seems like the mood in each one vary a lot. No surprise that it sounds so weird. This doesn't mean I don't think that the song isn't in pieces, as it clearly is. Just merely stating the reasoning for it. Just in case you missed it from earlier. Just because the music doesn't bond properly to your ears, doesn't mean that each part is just some random shit jumbled together. Ah wait, I forgot this is music. It has to sound good. Other nonsense don't matter like the lyrics or the mood of the song. Onto the second point! So we are not only musical experts now, we are dance experts too! Since you are such an avid follower of SNSD, just look at all that content you comb through. You would know that the dance skill in the group varies. I mean, I really doubt there is a group that can be considered all on the same level when it comes to dancing. Same goes for singing and other talents. Seems like these korean music groups have people of various talents. Some can sing, some can dance, some can act, some have interesting personalities for live appearances and interviews, etc. Now back to the point, let me ask you this. Do you prefer the choreography for a song to be "easy" enough such that the entire group can perform it with no difficulty? I am going to say that you will say yes because you don't think groups should do things too hard for them. Now in my opinon, I have a feeling that in many cases, I will find that choreography extremely boring or bland. I'm not saying all of them are going to be boring and bland, that's the beauty of choreography, it is an art. Someone could come up with some amazing shit that is the most basic things ever. I mean another example, we could just look at artwork, there are some art pieces that people consider masterpieces, but to me or some other random person with no artistic background, looks like it was painted by a 5 year old. Ahhh, slightly off topic. As I mentioned earlier, SNSD consists of members who dance differently. Sica is known to be lazy, Taeyeon's dance isn't really powerful. Yuri, Yoona, Hyoyeon usually puts a lot of power into it. SeoHyun has some awkward dancing. But you know what seems to be consistent throughout all their releases? They seem to maintain these traits consistently throughout their years. They didn't dumb down their choreography since the beginning, such that you can still see flaws of the weaker members and still see the stronger members wrecking it. Someone mentioned this to me, that SNSD is a group that is always challenging themselves. It wasn't easy getting to #1, they ain't gonna sit around and do some easy shit once they reached #1. Gotta keep going. In my opinion, you are just making a ridiculous comparison to twelve-year olds performing a difficult ballet. The choreography may be difficult for a group of 9 girls with varying talent to do perfectly, but their performance would not be as atrocious as you claim. It is interesting and visually stimulating. Not to mention they pull it off reasonably. I think the choreography is doing it's job. But hey, if everybody must be absolutely perfect, then I guess this song's live performances aren't for you. Just a friendly reminder that you shouldn't go through the live performances to find their flaws. Why torture yourself like that? Anyways, thanks for answering ShmeeZZy's attack. AYO GG~ | ||
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Nos-
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Kaiwa
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andyrau
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On January 03 2013 14:09 DystopiaX wrote: ^People with actual talent aren't drowned out, they're just not training to become kpop idols. There are plenty of popular Korean artists that do make it onto music charts, it's just that those artists are going to have a harder time gaining foreign fans. With kpop it's easier for the reasons frequently mentioned- hot girls and lowest-common-denominator catchy music, not to mention that they have large labels that have both the resources and incentive to push their product beyond a Korean speaking audience.. Music with talent behind it and no flashy outfits and dance isn't going to appeal as much to people who don't understand the music. It's another example of the fact that our views are skewed by being a mostly non-Korean community. Of course the visual shit will be the most popular. I'd like to reiterate the point that most musically talented people aren't idols. Some of them straddle the line between idols and vocalists like Davichi, but they were never an idol group to begin with. I forgot who said this in the first place, but there was a vocalist (I want to say Soyeon) who joined a girl group because she wanted to show off her vocal talent, but realized halfway through that she was dancing 90% of the time. and that's the thing that people don't really get when they start getting into kpop - that the music has nothing to do with the girl groups you see, they're just the ones performing it and putting a face on the music style, whatever that may be. hence I never understand the angst and flippant rejection that seems to be a standard kneejerk reaction from the fans of whatever group someone decides to criticize. because when you criticize a group for the song or their vocal ability, you're actually shitting on the producers and flaming the group for something they're really not meant to be. That's also not to say the entire industry is devoid of vocal talent. I'm simply saying it was never a focal point for idols in the first place, and that other talent takes a greater precedence. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On January 03 2013 16:46 andyrau wrote: I'd like to reiterate the point that most musically talented people aren't idols. Some of them straddle the line between idols and vocalists like Davichi, but they were never an idol group to begin with. I forgot who said this in the first place, but there was a vocalist (I want to say Soyeon) who joined a girl group because she wanted to show off her vocal talent, but realized halfway through that she was dancing 90% of the time. and that's the thing that people don't really get when they start getting into kpop - that the music has nothing to do with the girl groups you see, they're just the ones performing it and putting a face on the music style, whatever that may be. hence I never understand the angst and flippant rejection that seems to be a standard kneejerk reaction from the fans of whatever group someone decides to criticize. because when you criticize a group for the song or their vocal ability, you're actually shitting on the producers and flaming the group for something they're really not meant to be. That's also not to say the entire industry is devoid of vocal talent. I'm simply saying it was never a focal point for idols in the first place, and that other talent takes a greater precedence. You know, I think that that's one of the reasons that I liked kpop initially. It's unpretentious and doesn't pretend to be what it's not. With Western music a lot of artists, even pop stars, have to talk about how much they care about the "art" and shit, but with kpop you have companies like SM openly talking about "music technology" to make popular shit or whatever. They don't pretend to be what they're not- they're selling catchy music performed by attractive people and they're very up front about that. There's even up front about a lot of the supposed "BTS" stuff- personalities and interviews and shit- being, if not manufactured, at least heavily manipulated. You say that as an American pop star and you'd get ripped apart for being a fake/poser or whatever, even though it's basically the same thing (I will admit that western pop labels don't go as far though). Also it's a little past that time but I don't recall this being posted ever, my apologies if it was actual song starts at 1:09 | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Break that down, "boy chicken" = "rooster"= "cock" I got a cock. SNSD, your secret it is out. NO MORE HIDING IT, Bunch of trannies. *remove tinfoil cap* + Show Spoiler + if anyone took any of that seriously, please don't. | ||
betamale
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On January 03 2013 14:32 biology]major wrote: Imagine if you never heard of SNSD, and just heard the song IGAB(no video). Treat the music separate from the pretty faces for a second to judge its quality. All I'm sayin is to pretend you heard it before you fell in love with the pretty faces of SNSD, to judge its music separate from the dance/choreography. needs to be said on every page of this thread. | ||
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2xNoodle
United States201 Posts
Meanwhile, Jewelry has a MV with a girl wearing a heat that uses the Coco Chanel logo to spell out "COCAINE"... | ||
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polgas
Canada1765 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XzAk4.jpg) At least they covered it up on Seohyun. But still, poor thing. | ||
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