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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
September 14 2012 01:45 GMT
#76281
by western pop standards, secret's dance was perfectly normal
by korean standards, it was over the top, just like rania's dr feel good, or like hyuna's change, etc etc.

depends on what your viewpoint is. as a foreigner that enjoys korean music, you're stuck between these two views and it's the only reason why this discussion exists.
you sound like the netizens that akp quotes for their news articles.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 14 2012 01:47 GMT
#76282
Moving along....

I'm happy that SNSD has made 3 rather quality (4 if you count Twinkle) videos, and 9 (10 if you count Oh!'s remake) decent to great songs. And apparently more to come.

Contentedness.
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Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 02:00:57
September 14 2012 01:49 GMT
#76283
On September 14 2012 10:44 Sc2zero7 wrote:
This is the most retarded argument I've ever had the displeasure of reading. You guys should really reflect on how idiotic and pointless this argument is. At the end of the day, the people that like the choreo will still like it and the people that think it's over the top will still think the same. Save everyone from reading the next few pages of what will be a circular clusterfuck of no one giving a shit on your view of the choreo.

Thats not how things work, opinions change with proper argumentation.

All the refutation I need is just a page back


On September 14 2012 10:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Hmmmmm, it's sort of a paradox imo. There's a huge part of me that likes kpop because of the fairly conservative culture, and that that cute charm is very sexy. But, a part of me also wants to see more skin.

I change my mind, I agree w/ Tuelite on this one. I know when I'm wrong.

seriously, only hipsters wear lenseless frames, that's why i label them hipster glasses.

Through a discussion an opinion was changed. Also you present your opinion in a way that is counter-intuitive to what voluntarily being apart of an online community entails. You don't have to read this, you don't have to change your opinion or even have one, but some people do have one and some people will change theirs.

Edit: Don't want to get banned for a meta only post so have some SNSD
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Aiyu
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)36 Posts
September 14 2012 01:52 GMT
#76284
in all honesty, what Kuja said most accurately reflects my beliefs
a reason some people get into Kpop is because it's unlike the rest of the pop out there. i'm sure there are those who follow kpop looking for sexual content but that's not what the majority follows it for. as Kuja said if people wanted to see such vulgarity there's porn. Kuja you preach it buddy
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
September 14 2012 02:09 GMT
#76285
On September 14 2012 10:49 Kuja wrote:
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On September 14 2012 10:44 Sc2zero7 wrote:
This is the most retarded argument I've ever had the displeasure of reading. You guys should really reflect on how idiotic and pointless this argument is. At the end of the day, the people that like the choreo will still like it and the people that think it's over the top will still think the same. Save everyone from reading the next few pages of what will be a circular clusterfuck of no one giving a shit on your view of the choreo.

Thats not how things work, opinions change with proper argumentation.

All the refutation I need is just a page back


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On September 14 2012 10:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Hmmmmm, it's sort of a paradox imo. There's a huge part of me that likes kpop because of the fairly conservative culture, and that that cute charm is very sexy. But, a part of me also wants to see more skin.

I change my mind, I agree w/ Tuelite on this one. I know when I'm wrong.

seriously, only hipsters wear lenseless frames, that's why i label them hipster glasses.

Through a discussion an opinion was changed. Also you present your opinion in a way that is counter-intuitive to what voluntarily being apart of an online community entails. You don't have to read this, you don't have to change your opinion or even have one, but some people do have one and some people will change theirs.

Edit: Don't want to get banned for a meta only post so have some SNSD
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it's an unwarranted discussion that doesn't matter because you're on the other side of the glass hurling your opinions shaped by your warped view of korean culture.

also lebreezy is the farthest thing from a hipster and he's worn lensless frames since forever. they're a fashion accessory used to characterize/mask facial features.
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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
September 14 2012 02:11 GMT
#76286
On September 14 2012 10:44 Sc2zero7 wrote:
This is the most retarded argument I've ever had the displeasure of reading. You guys should really reflect on how idiotic and pointless this argument is. At the end of the day, the people that like the choreo will still like it and the people that think it's over the top will still think the same. Save everyone from reading the next few pages of what will be a circular clusterfuck of no one giving a shit on your view of the choreo.


Haha dude I'm just clicking next page constantly just skimming through if even that. Can this be over please?

Also Oh! was boring. Same concept same everything except for language. Put some effort in plx.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 14 2012 02:12 GMT
#76287
The secret choreo isn't that bad. It's just not appealing whatsoever.
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 02:14:54
September 14 2012 02:14 GMT
#76288
I don't think this is the first time it's been brought up. We had a previous discussion about the sexualization of idols, how most of us would never see IU or taeyeon or apink or whatever sexually. In fact I think tuelite sparked that debate as well when he brought up the photoshopped fakes (or it might have been bubbling, I honestly can't remember).

Sex sells. Fact. To claim otherwise is lying to yourself. However not all of us are here to watch hot girls in revealing outfits do thrusts and caress their chests. Groups often choose one audience or the other, few can ever transcend the entire cute vs sexy boundaries. That's why I think it's important that poison primarily featured hyosung, while calling u concentrated much more on jieun. Those that enjoy the sexy thing have that and those that don't don't have to watch it. I mean hell its not like they're actually fingering themselves on stage or anything completely outlandish like that.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 14 2012 02:22 GMT
#76289
Guys, I also like bubbly cuteness

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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 14 2012 02:23 GMT
#76290
Hmm, i think discussion is pretty pertinent. American pop went through a similar phase.
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Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
September 14 2012 02:29 GMT
#76291
One of these days we'll talk about music rather than how slutty instantly-forgettable Group A or B or C went in their video, and move past GIFs of generic-looking Girl A's butt and the subsequent comments telling us they are grateful or whatever their woefully uninteresting opinion is


hahahahahaha who am I kidding
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 02:33:15
September 14 2012 02:33 GMT
#76292
That IS talk about Korean pop music. If you want to think of it a vacuum, find another site.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 02:35:12
September 14 2012 02:33 GMT
#76293
It's honestly comical that some people that frequent this thread actually try to argue as if some of these sexually charged moments that pop up frequently throughout the general Korean pop scene are an aberration. You have to be willfully ignorant, have an incredibly selective memory, or suffer a catastrophic cognitive dissonance if you can't see that this kind of exploitation has always underlined this industry that has exploited this primal and (hilariously overt) desire that the fan base has expressed for as long as I can remember (over a decade).

Don't even try to pretend as if the image worshipping that alone sustains and perpetuates this godforsaken hellhole of a thread to such levels is not materialistic and sexualized at all times. This by itself isn't really a great problem to me, whatever, every community needs an opium (it's just depressing that a bunch of international people have clatched onto one of the more banal, superficial, troublesome, degenerative, and embarrassing part of modern Korean culture and have elevated it into an idol - it's pretty much cultish), but if you try to take this place it onto the highest of pedestals, then I don't have much to say but to comment that you need to take a deep step back and think about it again.

This thread is so fucking creepy and inane.
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
September 14 2012 02:33 GMT
#76294
Choreo is fine, just the gratuitous camera work that pushes it.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 14 2012 02:33 GMT
#76295
On September 14 2012 11:33 koreasilver wrote:
It's honestly comical that some people that frequent this thread actually try to argue as if some of these sexually charged moments that pop up frequently throughout the general Korean pop scene are an aberration. You have to be willfully ignorant, have an incredibly selective memory, or suffer a catastrophic cognitive dissonance if you can't see that this kind of exploitation has always underlined this industry that has exploited this primal and (hilariously overt) desire that the fan base has expressed for as long as I can remember (over a decade).

Don't even try to pretend as if the image worshipping that alone sustains and perpetuates this godforsaken hellhole of a thread to such levels is not materialistic and sexualized at all times. This by itself isn't really a great problem to me, whatever, every community needs an opium (it's just depressing that a bunch of international people have clatched onto one of the more banal, superficial, troublesome, degenerative, and embarrassing part of modern Korean culture and have elevated it into an idol - it's pretty much cultish), but if you try to take this and try to place it onto the highest of pedestals, then I don't have much to say but to comment that you need to take a deep step back and think about it again.

This thread is so fucking creepy and inane.

Then leave. You aren't wanted nor do you want to be here.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 14 2012 02:35 GMT
#76296
On September 14 2012 11:33 koreasilver wrote:
It's honestly comical that some people that frequent this thread actually try to argue as if some of these sexually charged moments that pop up frequently throughout the general Korean pop scene are an aberration. You have to be willfully ignorant, have an incredibly selective memory, or suffer a catastrophic cognitive dissonance if you can't see that this kind of exploitation has always underlined this industry that has exploited this primal and (hilariously overt) desire that the fan base has expressed for as long as I can remember (over a decade).

Don't even try to pretend as if the image worshipping that alone sustains and perpetuates this godforsaken hellhole of a thread to such levels is not materialistic and sexualized at all times. This by itself isn't really a great problem to me, whatever, every community needs an opium (it's just depressing that a bunch of international people have clatched onto one of the more banal, superficial, troublesome, degenerative, and embarrassing part of modern Korean culture and have elevated it into an idol - it's pretty much cultish), but if you try to take this and try to place it onto the highest of pedestals, then I don't have much to say but to comment that you need to take a deep step back and think about it again.

This thread is so fucking creepy and inane.

And I wouldn't have it any other way. Creepy and inane is the best way to browse the internet, honestly.
It's your boy Guzma!
Jarzai
Profile Joined December 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 02:39:57
September 14 2012 02:36 GMT
#76297
On September 14 2012 11:33 Craton wrote:
Then leave. You aren't wanted nor do you want to be here.

THIS GOES FOR ALL YOU. And this thread isn't creepy, we're just looking for a good time...

Group pic from Oh! for relevancy.
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Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
September 14 2012 02:40 GMT
#76298
Did this much shit happen when Hyuna when she danced "Change" ? Does anyone remember how much hip thrusting was in that? haha
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 14 2012 02:41 GMT
#76299
Believe it or not, some people actually used to post good Korean music instead of just spamming the thread with the same image-based "artists" every once in a while. Very rarely, but still, it used to happen. I still check this thread once in a while for similar things but it never happens anymore. Should just change this thread into "Korean Pop Discussion".

Whatever, this thread is just beyond the edge. There's no reason for me to ever visit it again.
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
September 14 2012 02:43 GMT
#76300
On September 14 2012 11:41 koreasilver wrote:
Believe it or not, some people actually used to post good Korean music instead of just spamming the thread with the same image-based "artists" every once in a while. Very rarely, but still, it used to happen. I still check this thread once in a while for similar things but it never happens anymore. Should just change this thread into "Korean Pop Discussion".

Whatever, this thread is just beyond the edge. There's no reason for me to ever visit it again.

Maybe there should be a korean idol thread and korean music thread?
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