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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 14 2012 00:41 GMT
#76241
On September 14 2012 09:37 Moonwrath wrote:
Tiffany wink!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


bonus hq wink

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Fuck, dude. I love you.

I would honestly marry this woman, though. All of my heart.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sc2zero7
Profile Joined February 2012
United States574 Posts
September 14 2012 00:42 GMT
#76242
That feeling when you misidentify an idol on KMD.

Its funny reading people argue about the choreo when the only opinion that matters is your own. Unless your're weak and just bandwagon.
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 00:56:53
September 14 2012 00:47 GMT
#76243
On September 14 2012 09:40 Vorgrim wrote:
Ridiculous prudish debate. Consider these girls are not getting these jobs for being the best vocalists in the land. They are, for the most part, pretty faces dancing and singing in scanty clothes for the pleasure of men.

If Sunhwa wants to slap her clit in a music video, why not? She's an adult and this is 2012.

What the fuck? Do you not get this at all? There is a certain quality to Kpop that makes it so unique when compared to other forms of pop. Why the fuck do you think we make and fawn over gifs about moves that would otherwise be commonplace? Why when we see undergarments or flailing thighs are we all giddy about it? If I wanted to watch porn I'd fucking watch porn dammit, If I wanted to see moves a stripper would do I'd go to a strip club.

Just because things are generally more conservative in Kpop doesn't make a debate about whether certain choreography is ok in certain contexts "prudish".

"They are, for the most part, pretty faces dancing and singing in scanty clothes for the pleasure of men."

Also I find your general view of these idols to be degrading and childish. If this is what you want go back to american pop or watch some Japanese stripper cams and play some fucking pop in the back-round. You really just don't get it.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
September 14 2012 00:57 GMT
#76244
On September 14 2012 09:47 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:40 Vorgrim wrote:
Ridiculous prudish debate. Consider these girls are not getting these jobs for being the best vocalists in the land. They are, for the most part, pretty faces dancing and singing in scanty clothes for the pleasure of men.

If Sunhwa wants to slap her clit in a music video, why not? She's an adult and this is 2012.

What the fuck? Do you not get this at all? There is a certain quality to Kpop that makes it so unique when compared to other forms of pop. Why the fuck do you think we make and fawn over gifs about moves that would otherwise be commonplace? Why when we see undergarments or flailing thighs are we all giddy about it? If I wanted to watch porn I'd fucking watch porn dammit, If I wanted to see moves a stripper would do I'd go to a strip club.

Just because things are generally more conservative in Kpop doesn't make a debate about whether certain choreography is ok in certain contexts "prudish".

"They are, for the most part, pretty faces dancing and singing in scanty clothes for the pleasure of men."

Also I find your general view of these idols to be degrading and childish. If this is what you want go back to american pop or watch some Japanese stripper cams and play some fucking pop in the back-round. You really just don't get it.

Which Kuja are you?
chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
September 14 2012 00:58 GMT
#76245
I would like to second what kuja said above. And probably third also.
Dance those ultras
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 01:01:27
September 14 2012 00:59 GMT
#76246
Co-signing Kuja

"Less is more"

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Always Smile - Jung Nicole - Follow Nicole on Twitter @_911007 and me @TuElite
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
September 14 2012 01:00 GMT
#76247
Agreed with those that are saying Poison choreo is a bit too risque. The leg split and rubbin the crotchal area is too much. That said I do like the song and choreo outside of those parts. That doesn't make all of the people that don't like the extreme 'sexiness' prudes or whatever. Part of the appeal of Kpop to a lot of people is that the stars are not slutty trashbags like most Western pop.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 01:11:42
September 14 2012 01:01 GMT
#76248
On September 14 2012 09:57 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:47 Kuja wrote:
On September 14 2012 09:40 Vorgrim wrote:
Ridiculous prudish debate. Consider these girls are not getting these jobs for being the best vocalists in the land. They are, for the most part, pretty faces dancing and singing in scanty clothes for the pleasure of men.

If Sunhwa wants to slap her clit in a music video, why not? She's an adult and this is 2012.

What the fuck? Do you not get this at all? There is a certain quality to Kpop that makes it so unique when compared to other forms of pop. Why the fuck do you think we make and fawn over gifs about moves that would otherwise be commonplace? Why when we see undergarments or flailing thighs are we all giddy about it? If I wanted to watch porn I'd fucking watch porn dammit, If I wanted to see moves a stripper would do I'd go to a strip club.

Just because things are generally more conservative in Kpop doesn't make a debate about whether certain choreography is ok in certain contexts "prudish".

"They are, for the most part, pretty faces dancing and singing in scanty clothes for the pleasure of men."

Also I find your general view of these idols to be degrading and childish. If this is what you want go back to american pop or watch some Japanese stripper cams and play some fucking pop in the back-round. You really just don't get it.

Which Kuja are you?

I don't care what this one has said in the past or what he will say in the future. This Kuja is now #1.

Was sleeping soundly when that Oh! thing hit, loved the outfits over the original one by a long shot and also the hairstyles so good. Made some of them so extremely cute. KR lyrics sounded way better though.
Taeyeon ~ Jennie ~ Seulgi ~ Irene @Fawkes711
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
September 14 2012 01:04 GMT
#76249
On September 14 2012 09:57 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:47 Kuja wrote:
On September 14 2012 09:40 Vorgrim wrote:
Ridiculous prudish debate. Consider these girls are not getting these jobs for being the best vocalists in the land. They are, for the most part, pretty faces dancing and singing in scanty clothes for the pleasure of men.

If Sunhwa wants to slap her clit in a music video, why not? She's an adult and this is 2012.

What the fuck? Do you not get this at all? There is a certain quality to Kpop that makes it so unique when compared to other forms of pop. Why the fuck do you think we make and fawn over gifs about moves that would otherwise be commonplace? Why when we see undergarments or flailing thighs are we all giddy about it? If I wanted to watch porn I'd fucking watch porn dammit, If I wanted to see moves a stripper would do I'd go to a strip club.

Just because things are generally more conservative in Kpop doesn't make a debate about whether certain choreography is ok in certain contexts "prudish".

"They are, for the most part, pretty faces dancing and singing in scanty clothes for the pleasure of men."

Also I find your general view of these idols to be degrading and childish. If this is what you want go back to american pop or watch some Japanese stripper cams and play some fucking pop in the back-round. You really just don't get it.

Which Kuja are you?

My plans to go smoking and drinking fell through, I'm the original. Is there really that much a disparity? I mean I don't read any of coltons posts but are they that bad?
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 01:25:43
September 14 2012 01:05 GMT
#76250
^the Kuja I know is more chill and less long-winded. That and he usually comes prepared with pictures. You also usually (at least that I notice) don't post that many negative/harsh/argumentative opinions.

I can get behind a "the reason most of us like kpop is the not-quite-over-the-top-sexiness" statement, but I do think that his reaction to Vorgrim's statement was a bit overblown and don't think that Vorgrim was suggesting that kpop idols should go "all the way sexy".

And I also think that Vorgrim's sentence about (female) kpop groups essentially being faces or legz or whatever. Obviously not to a "please sexual desires" extent but he's basically bluntly stating what many of us have said before- kpop is at least 50% visuals. Many others have stated that if it was just audio without visuals they wouldn't be interested. Saying that kpop groups are "there" to be eye candy, while perhaps harshly stated, isn't as extreme of a position here as you seem to be making it.
Jarzai
Profile Joined December 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 01:07:48
September 14 2012 01:07 GMT
#76251
Also agreed with Kuja and friends, this is what I thought when I first saw the clip, not just bandwagoning. I didn't save the crotch rub gif, but reading all these comments is making me feel bad for downloading the tamer ones O_O. I like kpop because it's not trashy this is taking it a bit far.
@Yulwell. Yuri "Always Smile" ~ Jessica Jung AYO GG
falconfan02
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 01:09:02
September 14 2012 01:07 GMT
#76252
Some of what Vogrim said is true to an extent though. For a lot of people they are just pretty faces and nothing more. Obviously this isn't the case in a community like this that appreciates the genre more than most, but let's be honest. If it wasn't for the pretty girls and revealing outfits kpop probably wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is. Sex sells in every country, not just the US. Getting sexier wouldn't hurt the genre financially at all.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 01:21:02
September 14 2012 01:08 GMT
#76253
K, so I promised a short hair kpop idol spam for my 5000th post. List up who should be on this almighty list. I'll slowly aggregate what I find from now until my 5000th post.
so far this is what I got.
+ Show Spoiler +
hyorin (sistar)
ga-in son (beg)
nicole (kara)
hyosung (secret)
lime/lemon (hello venus)
linzy (fiestar)
sooyoung and sunny (snsd)
yubin (wonder girls)
eun jung (t-ara)

PM me any that I'm missing.
liftlift > tsm
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
September 14 2012 01:09 GMT
#76254
I'm a bit surprised that this came with the Secret vid and not with earlier ones like Dr. Feel Good, although I suppose our population has grown a bit.

Maybe it's also because Rania was a smaller group and Secret also occasionally does cute concepts? Wonder how people would react if a "sexy only" group like T-ara had choreo like this. I mean, Hyomin basically rubbed her crotch while lying down for IGCBOY choreo and no one complained then.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 01:11:58
September 14 2012 01:09 GMT
#76255
Personally, I prefer classy and/or cute over overtly sexy, but there's nothing wrong with some sexiness now and then. I enjoy Poison, it makes my heart (and certain other parts) go pitter-pat, but I wouldn't be happy if that was what all KPop MVs turned into in the future. One in a while is good, though.

Edit:

@Wei2, you're missing short-hair Tiffany (imporant yo) and Crayon Pop's ChoA.
It's your boy Guzma!
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
September 14 2012 01:10 GMT
#76256
On September 14 2012 10:07 falconfan02 wrote:
Some of what Vogrim said is true to an extent though. For a lot of people they are just pretty faces and nothing more. Obviously this isn't the case in a community like this that appreciates the genre more than most, but let's be honest. If it wasn't for the pretty girls and revealing outfits kpop probably wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is. Sex sells in every country, not just the US. Getting sexier wouldn't hurt the genre financially at all.

I'm sorry, but that statement is so wrong it just screams your own ignorance.

Educate yourself.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 14 2012 01:11 GMT
#76257
Generally, the more overtly slutty things are, the less I like them. Especially in KPop.
twitch.tv/cratonz
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
September 14 2012 01:12 GMT
#76258
On September 14 2012 10:10 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 10:07 falconfan02 wrote:
Some of what Vogrim said is true to an extent though. For a lot of people they are just pretty faces and nothing more. Obviously this isn't the case in a community like this that appreciates the genre more than most, but let's be honest. If it wasn't for the pretty girls and revealing outfits kpop probably wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is. Sex sells in every country, not just the US. Getting sexier wouldn't hurt the genre financially at all.

I'm sorry, but that statement is so wrong it just screams your own ignorance.

Educate yourself.

Actually I don't think so. KMD is skewed a bit differently than other communities but I know of plenty that basically only care about the looks and nothing else.

Plus a financial argument in a foreign community thread is basically useless because almost none of us can say how people in Korea/Japan (the people actually buying a vast vast majority of shit) feel.
MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
September 14 2012 01:13 GMT
#76259
And boy bands should be kept to the same standards! Taking their shirts off is disgusting and degrading to them and kpop. Some of the air humping and thigh gyrating is just too much! Think about the children!

/s

Seriously this much crying over nothing needs to move over to AKP and never come back. Some of you are grown ass men, act like it.
ASie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States777 Posts
September 14 2012 01:15 GMT
#76260
On September 14 2012 10:09 DystopiaX wrote:
I'm a bit surprised that this came with the Secret vid and not with earlier ones like Dr. Feel Good, although I suppose our population has grown a bit.

Maybe it's also because Rania was a smaller group and Secret also occasionally does cute concepts? Wonder how people would react if a "sexy only" group like T-ara had choreo like this. I mean, Hyomin basically rubbed her crotch while lying down for IGCBOY choreo and no one complained then.

Also, Eunjung during Sexy Love (when she rubs her crotch but everyone else stops at their stomachs). But when people did point it out, they spoke nothing negatively about it.
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