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Purpl3
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He's obviously got a PHD in Kpopenomics. | ||
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DemigodcelpH
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On July 02 2012 07:09 dbg wrote: having a random rap part inserted into kpop song =/= hip hop influence Just like having guitar in a song doesn't make it rock-influced? I'm sorry but you're going to have to face it. So first of all your wrong about that. Second of all hiphop influence in kpop goes far just beyond the lyricists. On July 02 2012 07:11 Purpl3 wrote: A disgrace to Kpop, where visuals are as important if not more important than actual musical talent? Are you sure you're in the right genre? You seem to take a joke about rappers in idol groups quite seriously. What disgrace? If anything it's a compliment as this modern style of kpop coincides with the rise of it's global popularity. I respect your opinion, but S. Korea, the girls, and millions of other fans disagree with you. Also there's much more to hiphop influence in kpop than just the girls who MC. The chorus of a lot of popular songs have hiphop influence, the attire and clothing in popular PVs have hiphop influence (for example in Bubble Bop however this happens in many popular videos), the style of singing has (extreme) R&B influence (a genre closely related to hiphop), the popular groups predominantly dance in American hip-hop style (I haven't seen any other style yet), and so on. On July 02 2012 07:11 Pulselol wrote: i wish they would just stop rapping in broken konglish Inside and outside of kpop plenty of artists rap in korean. | ||
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TuElite
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DemigodcelpH
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On July 02 2012 07:22 TuElite wrote: Hey demigod, who do you like the most in females idols "rappers" ? Unfortunately I'm not very good with names, and my kpop experience isn't the best. I usually just follow the popular singles and hits, and what I hear Slayers_Dragon play on his stream. As for as the korean rap genre though I really like Outsider and Moowoong. However that's off-topic. I was discussing hiphop influence in popular kpop. | ||
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TuElite
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 02 2012 06:56 DemigodcelpH wrote: And the girls who sing likely can't rap without practice. Talentless girls don't get parts in the songs, so the existence of them there implies talent. The point is that most kpop groups have major hiphop influence, so this is good supporting evidence. Additionally the beautiful rapper girls don't have to be there, but they are. Why? I don't know, but it's pretty much one of the definitive aspects of modern kpop/khiphop, and it's awesome. They're intentionally added in whether you like it or not, so don't disregard them as "backups" out of ignorance. That's disrepectful to kpop, and the groups. And none of this even touches on the major influences in the way they dance, and the way they often sing (R&B style). This part tells me you don't know much about kpop/how groups are formed if you think that every member has something musical to add to the table, or anything at all. Most groups above 4 members have at least 1 member who can't sing, dance, or rap, and are there because they're funny for TV shows, really pretty, can act, etc. But since idol groups are primarily supposed to be musicians every member has to do something to keep up appearances (and prevent fans of a certain member from complaining that they get no lines) and it's easy to get a talentless girl to "rap" (several have admitted they don't know what they're doing so they just say the lyrics really fast in a cadence taught to them by a producer) so that they have lines. This isn't every idol "rapper" in the business but it is a lot of them, and implying that they were added to the group because they have rapping talent is laughable. Just to respond to the third bolded part (not including you "have" bolded) in some cases the "rapping" position isn't added in because they can rap, but because they're a pretty face and might do well in variety but can't sing, so they "rap" instead. edit- as for the backups thing, many groups actually have "backup" in several of the girls' titles. As in backup dance/backup singer, etc. So it's not insulting at all, that's actually the company line. | ||
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Tennet
United States1458 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:11 Pulselol wrote: i wish they would just stop rapping in broken konglish Yubin/Lim don't~ I wish groups with someone fluent in English would have English lyrics that make sense. | ||
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Vorgrim
Korea (North)1601 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:28 Tennet wrote: Yubin/Lim don't~ I wish groups with someone fluent in English would have English lyrics that make sense. Well pretty much every group has someone fluent in english now, so I think at this point we've determined that idols don't get any say in the music at all, otherwise the english wouldn't be so broken. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:31 Vorgrim wrote: Yubin hands down for me. Not because of being any better technically but because it feels less thrown in there than any other group. Just WG songs being kinda funky anyway. Not counting Miyro here, who is clearly better technically but I don't like her style. CL da baddest female. | ||
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Purpl3
United States1067 Posts
I dunno mang, Woori pretty siqq | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
I was kidding about CL, Hwayoung is actually my favorite kpop rapper. | ||
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dbg
Colombia264 Posts
dis b good ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m62t32x1vt1ruj1zjo2_500.gif) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5brmgcoei1rnwre2o2_500.gif) ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5blu9dqsX1rnwre2o1_400.gif) | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:28 DystopiaX wrote: This part tells me you don't know much about kpop/how groups are formed if you think that every member has something musical to add to the table, or anything at all. Most groups above 4 members have at least 1 member who can't sing, dance, or rap, and are there because they're funny for TV shows, really pretty, can act, etc. But since idol groups are primarily supposed to be musicians every member has to do something to keep up appearances (and prevent fans of a certain member from complaining that they get no lines) and it's easy to get a talentless girl to "rap" (several have admitted they don't know what they're doing so they just say the lyrics really fast in a cadence taught to them by a producer) so that they have lines. This isn't every idol "rapper" in the business but it is a lot of them, and implying that they were added to the group because they have rapping talent is laughable. Just to respond to the third bolded part (not including you "have" bolded) in some cases the "rapping" position isn't added in because they can rap, but because they're a pretty face and might do well in variety but can't sing, so they "rap" instead. edit- as for the backups thing, many groups actually have "backup" in several of the girls' titles. As in backup dance/backup singer, etc. So it's not insulting at all, that's actually the company line. Entirely wrong. Korean girls with pretty faces are a dime-a-dozen. Groups lose and recruit members all the time. If they needed another member who could sing they would simply get one. The reason kpop groups have rapper girls is because it's a niche, and an integral part of modern kpop. Why do you think many of the songs have hiphop beats, and all of the other hiphop influences (dancing, attire, tone of singing) that I mentioned? It's because it's the style that they love. Modern kpop is unique fusion which is why I love it, though some songs are more traditional. Also the idea that any girl can rap is truly laughable. Have you seen Epik High? Taktak36? Dok2? Psy? We're discussing kpop here, but please don't insult khiphop which is a cultural phenemonen there. | ||
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Purpl3
United States1067 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:38 DemigodcelpH wrote: Entirely wrong. Korean girls with pretty faces are a dime-a-dozen. Groups lose and recruit members all the time. If they needed another member who could sing they would simply get one. The reason kpop groups have rapper girls is because it's a niche, and an integral part of modern kpop. Why do you think many of the songs have hiphop beats, and all of the other hiphop influences (dancing, attire, tone of singing) that I mentioned? It's because it's the style that they love. Also the idea that any girl can rap is truly laughable. Have you been Epik High? Taktak36? Dok2? Psy? We're discussing kpop here, but please don't insult khiphop which is a cultural phenemonen there. I don't know what the fuck you read, but he didn't insult khiphop in his statement. Also Dystopia, I wasn't kidding Woori my favorite rapper :> Also the idea that any girl can rap is truly laughable. wat | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:38 DemigodcelpH wrote: Entirely wrong. Korean girls with pretty faces are a dime-a-dozen. Groups lose and recruit members all the time. If they needed another member who could sing they would simply get one. The reason kpop groups have rapper girls is because it's a niche, and an integral part of modern kpop. Why do you think many of the songs have hiphop beats, and all of the other hiphop influences (dancing, attire, tone of singing) that I mentioned? It's because it's the style that they love. Modern kpop is unique fusion which is why I love it, though some songs are more traditional. Also the idea that any girl can rap is truly laughable. Have you seen Epik High? Taktak36? Dok2? Psy? We're discussing kpop here, but please don't insult khiphop which is a cultural phenemonen there. I think you said you only dabble in kpop, so let me clarify things for you. All the artists you mentioned are not considered kpop or kidols, but instead artists/musicians that happen to be popular. I'm not saying rap is shoved into kpop to give the girls something to do, only that the parts are assigned to the girls that don't have a lot of singing parts because they can't carry a tune. And yes I have heard all those artists. Although I don't like Dok2 and I think Psy is less of a brilliant lyricist and more of a great stage performer. Catchy shit though. My previous statement was directed at kpop in idol groups, not all korean hip hop or rap. @purpl3- I know you weren't kidding lol | ||
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Vorgrim
Korea (North)1601 Posts
Cultural phenomenon or not, doesn't make it any more worthy of praise. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
Almost all experience with listening to korean comes from hearing dudes shouting REABA REABA REABA over each other or some kpop (which I don't enjoy, don't stone me please) though. So I just stumbled across this: wow it is amazing So since this thread is technically not limited to kpop only, I am just looking for some similar recommendations to show me the language can indeed sound beautiful and give me some motivation to study -.- | ||
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dbg
Colombia264 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:38 DemigodcelpH wrote: Entirely wrong. Korean girls with pretty faces are a dime-a-dozen. Groups lose and recruit members all the time. If they needed another member who could sing they would simply get one. The reason kpop groups have rapper girls is because it's a niche, and an integral part of modern kpop. Why do you think many of the songs have hiphop beats, and all of the other hiphop influences (dancing, attire, tone of singing) that I mentioned? It's because it's the style that they love. Modern kpop is unique fusion which is why I love it, though some songs are more traditional. Also the idea that any girl can rap is truly laughable. Have you seen Epik High? Taktak36? Dok2? Psy? We're discussing kpop here, but please don't insult khiphop which is a cultural phenemonen there. the fact that these female rappers you seem so adamant in defending don't even write their own lyrics pretty much tells you that you can make any idol a rapper of the group when you have a producer that gives you dircection on how to flow, deliver, and etc its not that hard bro | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:46 DystopiaX wrote: I think you said you only dabble in kpop, so let me clarify things for you. All the artists you mentioned are not considered kpop or kidols, but instead artists/musicians that happen to be popular. I'm not saying rap is shoved into kpop to give the girls something to do, only that the parts are assigned to the girls that don't have a lot of singing parts because they can't carry a tune. And yes I have heard all those artists. Although I don't like Dok2 and I think Psy is less of a brilliant lyricist and more of a great stage performer. Catchy shit though. My previous statement was directed at kpop in idol groups, not all korean hip hop or rap. @purpl3- I know you weren't kidding lol Of course. Responding to the bolded part here. If they didn't need an MC girl she would be kicked out of the group. That's business, and members of these groups cost money. MC girls are put in intentionally. It's something they experiemnted with, and it's something that works. There's no shortage of valuable talent that could potentially increase sales, and they know this, so girls aren't given song parts just because. They'd either be cut or filled. As we've all seen girls are dropped and added all of the time. Like it or not the MCs in these girl groups are considered assets to that niche, and as I've said many times hiphop influence in kpop far deeper embedded than the lyricists in the form of attire, dancing, and style of singing. On July 02 2012 07:52 Vorgrim wrote: The stuff I've heard from K hiphop hasn't left me all that impressed. Most of it seems as ridiculously shit as the stuff being churned out in the US for dollars. Then there is the emotional rap stuff which also does nothing for me since I'm not fluent enough to immediately pick up on the "depth" of the lyrics, which are honestly not all that inspiring. "wah, I had to work and life is so tough." Deep, son. Deep. And lets be fair, the beats are nothing fresh either. Nobody is going to be drawing inspiration from K hiphop any time soon. Cultural phenomenon or not, doesn't make it any more worthy of praise. Outsider has some of the most amazing beats I've ever heard. Like it or not, korean hiphop is a cultural phenomenon for a reason; the people love it. | ||
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